Turkish Foreign Policy and Regional Geopolitics

And I can show Turkish professors. Whats that prove? lol

The israelis will cite their legal experts for their POV on Occupied Palestine, The Indians will cite their legal people for their arguments on Kashmir. The problem is you think you hold a monopoly as if some OPed in a Greek Magazine is some sort of Legal Judgement in a court. Then you feel like its a personal affront when someone comes and contests your narrative. Randomly deciding to start tagging 15 different people in a tantrum.
You act like an obnoxious brat,then you always nag when I tag others. Problem is that from the start,you never ever even tried to see things from our point of view,it was always the narrow Turkish one. Erdogan says this? It must be true. Turkey does this? They must be right. At least have the courage to put on a correct flag on your profile ffs...
 
You act like an obnoxious brat,then you always nag when I tag others. Problem is that from the start,you never ever even tried to see things from our point of view,it was always the narrow Turkish one. Erdogan says this? It must be true. Turkey does this? They must be right. At least have the courage to put on a correct flag on your profile ffs...

You are upset that someone is defending Turkish Foreign policy and interests in the turkish foreign policy section of the Turkish Defense Forum? Then tagging random people who aren't even discussing the specific matter in a tantrum, and I'm the one thats obnoxious? lol

Maybe you don't see it from the Turkish viewpoint.

Article 14(2): "These islands shall be and shall remain demilitarized."

Greece has an obligation under the treaty, but b/c the other stakeholder is Italy and they are Absentee on this matter, and not interested in a confrontation with Greece on behalf of Turkey to enforce the Clause, Greeks are using that grey area to violate the article. Its pretty obvious for everyone to see, who can read the actual text of the treaty.

here is the text for reference:


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You are upset that someone is defending Turkish Foreign policy and interests in the turkish foreign policy section of the Turkish Defense Forum? Then tagging random people who aren't even discussing the specific matter in a tantrum, and I'm the one thats obnoxious? lol
I'm tagging people who might feel the new forum's being turkified or even chinafied.

"These islands shall be and shall remain demilitarized."

Greece has an obligation under the treaty, but b/c the other stakeholder is Italy and they are Absentee on this matter, and not interested in a confrontation with Greece on behalf of Turkey to enforce the Clause, Greeks are using that grey area to violate the article. Its pretty obvious for everyone to see, who can read the actual text of the treaty.
Turks don't have a say on the matter,since the agreement was between Greece and Italy.

Again:

The Status of the Islands of the South-Eastern Aegean (the Dodecanese)


The Dodecanese islands were ceded to Greece in full sovereignty by the Paris Peace Treaty between Italy and the Allies in April 1947. The provisions of this Treaty provided for the demilitarization of these islands: “The above islands shall be demilitarized and shall remain so”. There is a National Guard presence on the Dodecanese islands, which has been declared in accordance with CFE provisions.


With regard to Turkish claims on the demilitarization of the Dodecanese islands, it should be noted that:


• Türkiye is not a signatory state to this Treaty, which therefore constitutes a "res inter alios acta" for Türkiye; i.e., an issue pertaining to others. According to Article 34 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, a treaty does not create obligations or rights for third countries.
• The demilitarized status of the Dodecanese islands was imposed after the decisive intervention of the Soviet Union and echoes Moscow’s political intentions at that point in time. It should, however, be noted that demilitarized status lost its raison d’être with the creation of NATO and the Warsaw Pact, as incompatible with countries’ participation in military alliances. Against this backdrop, demilitarized status ceased to apply to the Italian islands of Pantelaria, Lampedusa, Lampione and Linosa, as well as to West Germany on the one hand and Bulgaria, Romania, East Germany, Hungary and Finland on the other.


It should be stressed that Greece, just like any other country in the world, has never ceded its natural right of defense in the event of a threat to its islands or any other part of its territory, especially since there has been sufficient proof over the past decades that Türkiye is acting in an inconsistent manner and in violation of the United Nations Charter (casus belli).


Apart from the threat of war, Türkiye:
• invaded Cyprus in 1974, in violation of the Cyprus Treaty of Guarantee, to which Greece is a signatory state, and despite the numerous United Nations Security Council and General Assembly Resolutions to the contrary, still continues to maintain substantial military forces in the occupied territories.
• has systematically violated Greek Air Space, with its military aircraft, often armed, making overflights of inhabited Greek islands in the Aegean Sea, which raises serious security concerns.
• over the past three decades, has maintained a significant number of military units, aircraft and landing craft at points on the coast of Asia Minor just across from the Greek islands, which is a serious threat against Greece.

This state of affairs, in conjunction with the threat of a casus belli should Greece extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles as is its legal entitlement, coupled with a more general revisionist tendency in Türkiye concerning International Treaties determining the status of the Aegean, oblige Greece to be in a state of preparedness such as will allow it, if need be, to exercise its right to legitimate defense, as provided for in Article 51 of the United Nations Charter and to protect the Greek islands of the Aegean.
 
You act like an obnoxious brat,then you always nag when I tag others. Problem is that from the start,you never ever even tried to see things from our point of view,it was always the narrow Turkish one. Erdogan says this? It must be true. Turkey does this? They must be right. At least have the courage to put on a correct flag on your profile ffs...
It's important to avoid using disrespectful language. You are not required to agree with someone else's viewpoint, especially on contentious issues, and the same goes for them. If a discussion becomes unproductive and you find it impossible to sway the other person's perspective, it's best to step back from the conversation.
 
It's important to avoid using disrespectful language. You are not required to agree with someone else's viewpoint, especially on contentious issues, and the same goes for them. If a discussion becomes unproductive and you find it impossible to sway the other person's perspective, it's best to step back from the conversation.
I understand and respect what you're saying,but..maybe you can also advise your fellow Mod to stop throwing flamebait every other day and constantly typing "lol" as if every discussion and post is a laughing matter :S
 
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I wonder what the terms are for this agreement.

Mutual defense clause?
 
I understand and respect what you're saying,but..maybe you can also advise your fellow Mod to stop throwing flamebait every other day and constantly typing "lol" as if every discussion and post is a laughing matter :S


Labeling someone as an 'obnoxious brat' and adding 'lol' at the end of your post are not equivalent actions.

When you tag a bunch of people who share your views to engage in a debate where you can't get the upper hand, what kind of atmosphere are you setting up for the conversation?

I am sorry but freedom of speech is a thing for me.

Certain users repeatedly labeled Türkiye a Zionist, American slave, Israeli underling etc. here on this topic.

Did you notice me deleting their comments? No.

You're a respected member of the community, and I value your input, especially since you're my neighbor. However, I haven't seen any comments that would require moderation.

Sometimes it's best to agree to disagree and move on.
 
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I wonder what the terms are for this agreement.

Mutual defense clause?

My anti-Russian senior neighbor used to say:

'Those who rely on the Russians for salvation have already forfeited the contest.'

Amca is right, I believe.
 
My anti-Russian senior neighbor used to say:

'Those who rely on the Russians for salvation have already forfeited the contest.'

Amca is right, I believe.

Certainly, but Iran can use all the help it needs, there are only two powers that would help Iran right now, and its Russia and North Korea. Even China I don't think would commit to taking sanction to help Iran. Russia, Iran and North Korea are really the only ones that are so sanctioned, that sanctions don't matter.

There is a lot they can get from Russia. Now whether Putin actually commits to helping Iran in a way thats monumental is a different story, Putin always hedges, like we saw where they didn't go all out in Syria, and even cooperated with Israel to sideline Iran. He never fully commits, so in that sense he isn't the best to completely rely on. But what other option do the Iranians have, Russia is their only source for High tech transfer, and china to a lesser degree.
 
Certain users repeatedly labeled Türkiye a Zionist, American slave, Israeli underling etc. here on this topic.
I know sometimes the Iranian block takes it a bit too far,that's something ...well not nice. I know how it feels,because back when the whole war in Gaza thread started,I had a gazillion Iranian and non-Iranian people call me "zionist lover" constantly,because I condemned Hamas and also called them out for thinking that attack was a "success"(they were cheering as if they won the entire war).

But,I want to know if they feel the same. There's persistent mockery from hyperman and a few others' side,constant boasting which tends to get obnoxious. Something that MMM-E had taken to other levels,but we still see it from hyperman,Oublious,maybe a couple of others too.

Yesterday Bahceli went on to claim the Dodecanese and make another one of his speeches,where was hyperman to condemn that? He always talks about Turkey will bring peace to Sudan,Turkey will bring prosperity in Syria,we are friends...dur ya,dur. Ne huzur ya? Kim? Erdogan ve Bahceli? We're going backwards with such rhetoric.


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My anti-Russian senior neighbor used to say:

'Those who rely on the Russians for salvation have already forfeited the contest.'

Amca is right, I believe.
Everyone is starting to understand that now,even in Greece. I still know people who refuse to see Russia a bit objectively,I'm generally pro-Russian,but this administration has betrayed both Armenians and Syrians(at least the Pro-Assad ones,let's not fight on this again)and disappointed many,many people. Constant cannon fodder tactics in Ukraine,
Putin insists on the war going on even if it costs hundreds of thousands of lives,extreme corruption,it's a disappointment.

Even during the 2010s,the Russians were teasing us with "Turks are interested in Iskander,what about you?" and later I think it was Pskov who used to say "Greece has no reason to fear,the S-400 is a defence weapon" only for the Russians to get pissed off at any thought of Ukraine getting our S-300s.
 
Yesterday Bahceli went on to claim the Dodecanese and make another one of his speeches,where was hyperman to condemn that?

Wait what, why do I need to condemn Bahceli? I have no relation to him. lol

Is Bahceli a member of this forum? We gotto put out a message as a mod team that we don't agree with the statements of a random politician?

He says a lot of things, I don't really find it noteworthy unless we see the foreign ministry put out a statement. Did Hakan Fidan say something?
 
I think we both agree that it wouldn't be appropriate for me to approach the nearest Greek individual and seek explanations or apologies for the actions or statements of a Greek politician, regardless of my personal views on the issue, right?

Having said that, please bear in mind that neither hyperman nor any one else on the forum serves as an official representative of their country.

This is just a forum for ordinary people exchanging opinions. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Additionally, I can’t link every foreign conflict together and transform each discussion into a broad argument. This approach does not foster constructive dialogue.

I know sometimes the Iranian block takes it a bit too far,that's something ...well not nice. I know how it feels,because back when the whole war in Gaza thread started,I had a gazillion Iranian and non-Iranian people call me "zionist lover" constantly,because I condemned Hamas and also called them out for thinking that attack was a "success"(they were cheering as if they won the entire war).

But,I want to know if they feel the same. There's persistent mockery from hyperman and a few others' side,constant boasting which tends to get obnoxious. Something that MMM-E had taken to other levels,but we still see it from hyperman,Oublious,maybe a couple of others too.

Yesterday Bahceli went on to claim the Dodecanese and make another one of his speeches,where was hyperman to condemn that? He always talks about Turkey will bring peace to Sudan,Turkey will bring prosperity in Syria,we are friends...dur ya,dur. Ne huzur ya? Kim? Erdogan ve Bahceli? We're going backwards with such rhetoric.


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Russia planning on sabotaging its own pipeline to turn Türkiye against Ukraine.

The Kreml is full of idiots.
 

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