Turkish UAV/UCAV Projects
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hyperman
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New Pod from ASELSAN for UAVs
The pod named ANTIDOT 3U-200 was developed to counter UAVs used for air defense purposes.
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This is interesting... I was wondering about this sort of countermeasure.
must be some sort of dazzler to throw off the optics of the UAV or some sort of jammer. Hope they release more information.
Oublious
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hyperman
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No information abou the abcd models...
I don't know what D model is, maybe thats the Naval.
But most of it is engine based. A is without afterburner, B is with afterburner. Both we have seen.
C is two engines but we haven't seen that one, and probably not for a long time.
B is the one to keep an eye on, its going to be the main one I think.
Ultimately I think these are only precursors to more advanced drones down the road even more so than the Kizilelma. And Kizilelma is just the start, there will be a drone with no vertical stabilizer. we will see a wide assortment years and decades from now at this trajectory, with different flight profiles and roles. Some bigger, some smaller and with various roles, eventually full swarms(and I don't mean like those loitering munitions fpv drones but bigger drones working together autonomously the the way entire system warfare happens). Baykar likely won't be selling drones, they will be selling "solutions" i.e. entire air wings/eco systems basically with different types of drones that work together to do a system wide task i.e. "system of systems".
Its going to be like Apple or Huawei or Xiaomi. Apple started out as selling people personal computers, now it sells people entire ecosystems, with full spectrum solutions. TV, Phone, Music device, Siri, Computer, Ipad, Watch, Vision and then the software solutions and AI on top.
Basically a one stop shop Air Force. lol
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hodor
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They have most likely abandoned the idea of a twin-engine Kızılelma. They are now working on a single-engine variant with around 20,000 pounds of thrust. There must be a reason why they haven’t mentioned the twin-engine configuration for a long time.
I think Kızılelma A will use a Ukrainian engine, B will be powered by the TF10000 engine, C will use Baykar’s domestically developed 20,000-pound-thrust engine and will be supersonic, and D will be the naval variant.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
I read a post about 2 x 20000 lbf engines a while back. But no confirmation since.
The Kizilelma A doesn't need a Ukrainian engine, the AL-25 currently being used was a stopgap in place of a non afterburning Turbofan. In all likelyhood they will use a TF6000 for that one, and the the TF10000 with afterburners for the Kizilelma B.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
Defense aviation editor Tolga Özbek:
I saw 5 KIZILELMA units on Baykar's production line.
It might be an optical illusion, but the KIZILELMA in serial production was larger than the mock-ups at TEKNOFEST. It really looks very imposing.
It has a quite large carrying bay under the fuselage.
When I stepped into that space through the gaps between the covers, I saw that it was large enough that I could almost stand upright in it.
I saw 5 KIZILELMA units on Baykar's production line. It might be an optical illusion, but the KIZILELMA in serial production was larger than the mock-ups at TEKNOFEST. It really looks very imposing. It has a quite large carrying bay under the fuselage. When I stepped into that space through the gaps between the covers, I saw that it was large enough that I could almost stand upright in it.
GoatsMilk
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Turkish drones destroying shit has become so common place that its almost boring to keep hearing about it.
Absolute insanity when you go back just 10 years ago, not only the pace of development but the fact that they have been used in so many war zones successfully.
At this pace 10 years from now will be very interesting to see what is developed by the Turkish nation.
Flotilla
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I have read complete this article, but I found maybe it is wrong;
Sudanese Army’s Akıncı UCAV Destroys Foreign-Made Air Defence System in Ed Dubeibat: Decisive SEAD Strike Reshapes Sudan’s Air War - Defence Security Asia
Sudanese Armed Forces destroy Chinese FK-2000 air defense system using Bayraktar Akıncı UCAV in Ed Dubeibat. The precision SEAD strike marks a major turning point in Sudan’s air war against RSF forces backed by UAE-linked weapons supplies.
defencesecurityasia.com
| The Akıncı approached at high altitude beyond 25 kilometres, employing AESA-based terrain mapping and electronic warfare suppression to disrupt the FK-2000’s radar tracking frequencies, thereby degrading situational awareness within the defended zone. |
If Akinci turns on the radar, even if it is a SAR/SLAR, FK2000 should be able to locate the radar signal and being out of range of the SAM missile, just turn off the radar and hide or change location.
The logic use of such an advanced UAS it is just to fly silently without engaging any radar signal, then the Akinci´s ESM would eventually identify a radar emission at the surface, identify the emitter, locate exactly the position and finally answering with a long range IR bomb/missile. That would be a much logic and safer mission profile.
Anyway, even if that was not the way Akinci did the unquestionable truth it is that UAV Akinci did a outstanding job and reflects that HALE drones even if they´re not stealth are not obsolete as many people suggests.
It is another impressive kill record.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
TUSAŞ General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu:
In TF6000 tests, 5950 pounds of thrust was observed, and the process is progressing as planned.
There are no supply issues with the Ukrainian engine, but a power increase is required.
The integration topic with TEI was discussed, and the teams will begin work.
ANKA-3 could fly with the domestic TF6000 engine in the 2028–2029 period.
In TF6000 tests, 5950 pounds of thrust was observed, and the process is progressing as planned.
There are no supply issues with the Ukrainian engine, but a power increase is required.
The integration topic with TEI was discussed, and the teams will begin work.
ANKA-3 could fly with the domestic TF6000 engine in the 2028–2029 period.
Aziqbal
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ANKA-3 has very low RSC
the Iranian Shaheed 139 was picked up by Carrier AWACS far from the Carrier when it was shot down
ANKA-3 would be much harder and could get much closer probably in the range of the 150km+ of a E2D Hawkeye from a head one prospective
Shaheed 139 although not stealth would be 300km+
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