Türkiye, Pakistan deepen defense ties with KAAN jet export, joint helicopter project

[Yasser76]

If they can sacrifice Al-Quds, what is Pakistan to them? KSA love for Pakistan was as far as the cheap labour and profits from investments.

This is why I caveated the post, as I knew these responses would come, no one ever said they were perfect and if they wanted they could get cheap labour anywhere, my point stlll stands.

 

[Faani83]

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

With the JF-17 project, the forthcoming KAAN project participation with Pakistan and the possible acquisitions of J-35, Pakistan could acquire the foundations for having an independent and indigenous advanced fighter jet production capability and industry. Of course that could only come to realisation if Pakistan somehow gains the extremely difficult capability to design advanced, capable jet engines.

 

[Ali_Baba]

With the JF-17 project, the forthcoming KAAN project participation with Pakistan and the possible acquisitions of J-35, Pakistan could acquire the foundations for having an independent and indigenous advanced fighter jet production capability and industry. Of course that could only come to realisation if Pakistan somehow gains the extremely difficult capability to design advanced, capable jet engines.

Pakistan also needs to fix its university system to be able to produce the high quality STEM based candidates that this field requires in the 'numbers' it requires. NASTP needs a feeder system into it of high quality candidates as a pipeline. Also the R&D capabilities of Pakistans universities needs to get better with a greater emphasis on research that can contribute to new military projects, the recent work on GaN is a small example of what is possible with core R&D done in the universities and the technology was provided to the institutions that could take that work and build new products from it.

 

[UKBengali]

Guys, we need to take a step back and not get head of ourselves.

Without overall national technological development you cannot "silo" military technological development and be able to run with that solo.

Turkey is only able to do what it does due to the fact it is a middle-income country and also the access to lots of technologies that it got as a Nato member.

Countries like Pakistan and BD should focus on the "lower hanging fruit" of military technology as trying anything more without overall national development would be waste of scarce resources for absolutely no gain.

 

[Analyst]

Guys, we need to take a step back and not get head of ourselves.

Without overall national technological development you cannot "silo" military technological development and be able to run with that solo.

Turkey is only able to do what it does due to the fact it is a middle-income country and also the access to lots of technologies that it got as a Nato member.

Countries like Pakistan and BD should focus on the "lower hanging fruit" of military technology as trying anything more without overall national development would be waste of scarce resources for absolutely no gain.

I have been a really strong advocate for joint defence corporations between both Pakistan and Bangladesh, cheaper labour in both countries and with commitment to units will be able to produce really cheap products while ofsetting imports.

Pakistan already builds 'low hanging fruit' like drones and armoured vehicles, tanks, etc. But it's not entirely indigenous.

 

[nahtanbob]

Don't worry, How Pakistan gets money for defence purchases is something Indian can never understand. Don't try to think about it. It's way above your level thing.

You are right begging is not something I understand very well

 

[Goku-Kun]

Does anyone know that if Pakistan has stealth paint technology? @JamD

 

[RealDeal]

You are right begging is not something I understand very well

Basically their entire budget meant for development is going for defence, so barely any infra spending or spending on education/health... their growth is stagnant at 1-2% (was close to 0 in 2023) with double digit inflation, and some people here are portraying this as something mysterious/some great feat that they have pulled off its hilarious. We are adding equivalent to their entire GDP every year and they are stuck at negligible growth rates, sooner or later the economic difference will be so big even a 100 new jets will make no difference.

 

[Musings]

You are right begging is not something I understand very well

Especially when you’re banned Bob

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

You are right begging is not something I understand very well

Basically their entire budget meant for development is going for defence, so barely any infra spending or spending on education/health... their growth is stagnant at 1-2% (was close to 0 in 2023) with double digit inflation, and some people here are portraying this as something mysterious/some great feat that they have pulled off its hilarious. We are adding equivalent to their entire GDP every year and they are stuck at negligible growth rates, sooner or later the economic difference will be so big even a 100 new jets will make no difference.

Nope. Both of these can be cover-ups to hide reality or to deceive people like you, but they are actually insufficient to justify the entire amount. In reality, it's a multi-factor issue, primarily involving the undocumented or black economy of the country (or deep state own economy or what ever you like to call it), about which, and about its scale, you people have no idea.

 

[Samurai]

Pakistan also needs to fix its university system to be able to produce the high quality STEM based candidates that this field requires in the 'numbers' it requires. NASTP needs a feeder system into it of high quality candidates as a pipeline. Also the R&D capabilities of Pakistans universities needs to get better with a greater emphasis on research that can contribute to new military projects, the recent work on GaN is a small example of what is possible with core R&D done in the universities and the technology was provided to the institutions that could take that work and build new products from it.

This means govt. spending should be focused on building state of the art universities across Pakistan in every province. Along with that more schools and colleges are needed as well. Don't forget that our education system and curriculum is pathetic and govt. schools are abandoned by corrupt teachers who are on indefinite leave and taking salary from govt. If Pakistan has to progress in this field then it has to focus on educating its next generations and ensure that they get proper jobs inside Pakistan especially if you want them working in defense sector.

So far for 75 years, the literacy rate hasn't improved, yet the quality has declined over the years. I don't know why its so hard for our politicians and govt. (establishment too) to tackle this issue? but the solution is simple.... if Pakistani govt. are allowed by the establishment to complete their whole tenure (and they are sincere and honest) then successive govt. can engineer and implement an educational policy aimed at doing the things mentioned above. Give it 15-20 years and we might see positive results.