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Turkiye is a NATO member
and Turkish Air Force based on American-Turkish technologies


F-16V armed with 160 km AIM-120C8 air to air Missiles to use Boeing E-7T AEWC 600 km AESA Radar to detect enemy Fighter Jets from 350 km away and guide AIM-120C8 via link-16 datalink for network centric warfare

F-16V has also great Electronic Warfare capability


If Turkiye buy J-10CE with 140 km PL-15E Air to Air Missiles then we can not use them effective


You can always buy some Chinese AWACS to work with the J-10CEs like Pakistan does.

They operate both F-16 and J-10CE.

It is a question of will.

F-16V with AIM-120C will not stand up to J-10CE flying with PL-15.

Did the USA refuse to sell AIM-120D with these F-16s?
 
You can always buy some Chinese AWACS to work with the J-10CEs like Pakistan does.

They operate both F-16 and J-10CE.

We dont need to jump in another block from NATO

We have already 4 Boeing 7-T AEWC with 600 km AESA Radar
And 270 F-16V will work with 4 Boeing E7-T AEWCs in perfect coordination


We need extra $50 billion USD to buy Chinese Systems instead of F-16 and E-7T AEWC fleet also Missiles and Bombs . Radars and datalinks

USA allowed Turks to produce F-16 and GE-F110 Engine under license in Turkiye



F-16V with AIM-120C will not stand up to J-10CE flying with PL-15.

Did the USA refuse to sell AIM-120D with these F-16s?

160 km AIM-120C8 = AIM-120D

And Turkiye buys 951 AIM-120C8 Air to Air Missiles


145 km PL-15E is not better than 160 km AIM-120C8

And F-16V can eat J-10CE alive in BVR combat when we use KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets in tactical air combat concept with F-16Vs

J-10CE Pilot can not understand even what hit him
 
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@MMM-E PAF with much smaller budget can manage and much richer Turkey cannot?

No it will not be an extra 50 billion but more like 5 billion and J-10CE is cheaper than F-16V by maybe 30-40% per plane. Chinese planes will be cheaper over the long run and offer better performance as well.
 
@MMM-E PAF with much smaller budget can manage and much richer Turkey cannot?

No it will not be an extra 50 billion but more like 5 billion and J-10CE is cheaper than F-16V by maybe 30-40% per plane. Chinese planes will be cheaper over the long run and offer better performance as well.

Turkiye is not Pakistan
Pakistan has infrastructure for Chinese Systems

We can buy Fighter Jets from Russia or China if USA block sale of F-16V to Turkiye
but yesterday USA approved sale of F-16V to Turkiye

USA can not lose Turkiye to Russia-China-Iran-Pakistan block



So , 270 F-16V Block70 Fighter Jets with APG-83 and MURAD AESA Radar armed with 160 km AIM-120C8 and 200 km GOKHAN air to air Missiles

The strongest 4.5 gen Fighter Jet fleet in the region ...


F-16V will be the last foreign Fighter Jet for the Turkish Air Force
We will use our own KAAN , HURJET , KIZILELMA , ANKA-3 and ANKA-4 for the Turkish Air Force
 
Turkiye is not Pakistan
Pakistan has infrastructure for Chinese Systems

We can buy Fighter Jets from Russia or China if USA block sale of F-16V to Turkiye
but yesterday USA approved sale of F-16V to Turkiye

USA can not lose Turkiye to Russia-China-Iran-Pakistan block



So , 270 F-16V Block70 Fighter Jets with APG-83 and MURAD AESA Radar armed with 160 km AIM-120C8 and 200 km GOKHAN air to air Missiles

The strongest 4.5 gen Fighter Fleet in the region ...


F-16V will be the last foreign Fighter Jet for the Turkish Air Force
We will use our own KAAN , HURJET , KIZILELMA , ANKA-3 and ANKA-4 for the Turkish Air Force


Why are you in this colonial settler state block that is facilitating genocide in Gaza anyway?
 
Why are you in this colonial settler state block that is facilitating genocide in Gaza anyway?

Russia-Iran-China killed more muslims than Israel ...

Russia-Iran killed hundreds of thousands of innocent muslim civilians in Syria
China killed muslim Uyghur Turks since 1850s


We protect ourselves from USA-Israel-Europe alliance , if we are in NATO
 
Russia-Iran-China killed more muslims than Israel ...

Russia-Iran killed hundreds of thousands of innocent muslim civilians in Syria
China killed muslim Uyghur Turks since 1850s


We protect ourselves from USA-Israel-Europe alliance , if we are in NATO


USA killed far more in this century than that group combined by destroying the ME and war in Afghanistan.

History is in the past and right now there is a US facilitated genocide in Gaza at this moment.

So the argument is that if you don’t stay part of NATO, then will attack you? So Turkey is being held it NATO by a gun to its head?
 
I was wondering, if tomorrow Turkey and the USA resolve their issues regarding the F-35 and Patriot air defense system and the USA decides to start delivering the F-35 to Turkey, what will Turkey do with the already purchased S-400? Return it to Russia or sell it to another country?
 
I was wondering, if tomorrow Turkey and the USA resolve their issues regarding the F-35 and Patriot air defense system and the USA decides to start delivering the F-35 to Turkey, what will Turkey do with the already purchased S-400? Return it to Russia or sell it to another country?


Not going to happen with the likely Trump administration coming in next year.

He is pro-Russia and anti-Turkey.
 
What exactly is so great about the F-16V for Turkey?

J-10CE is a better air supremacy fighter due to higher top speed, altitude and maneuverability at altitude due to canard-delta design.

Turkey would be much better off buying J-10CE with PL-15 missiles as that is totally unknown to Greece and the USA/Europe is clearly taking Greece's side.

Buying 100 J-10CE would be a much better investment for Turkey at this stage than these F-16Vs.

Ukraine war is likely to end in 2025 as Trump comes into power and wants to focus on China.

Still I am waiting for a tangible benefit to Turkey being in Nato in 2024.
What can China and Russia give to Turkey? Nothing.

By staying in the western bloc, Turkey secures itself against the Russian threat.

At the same time, the Turkish economy and Turkish democracy are guaranteed by the western bloc. Our biggest exports go to Germany and 50 percent of our trade goes to EU countries.

In the Eastern bloc there is only dictatorship and misery.

If the eastern bloc is better, what are you doing in England?
 
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no, they are treated just as undesirable enemy, that is all. all other things that you mentioned they achieved despite west and with some cold war tokens heritage projects for which west tought that will not have significance in general setup of control over turkish state.
I don’t disagree with you but What sets Turkey apart from the rest of the Muslim world are its Western values. This is the primary reason why Turkey is not a failed state like other Islamic countries. The West has developed due to these values, and Turkey shares them, which is why it is not as backward as the rest of the Muslim world.
 
What exactly is so great about the F-16V for Turkey?

J-10CE is a better air supremacy fighter due to higher top speed, altitude and maneuverability at altitude due to canard-delta design.

Turkey would be much better off buying J-10CE with PL-15 missiles as that is totally unknown to Greece and the USA/Europe is clearly taking Greece's side.

Buying 100 J-10CE would be a much better investment for Turkey at this stage than these F-16Vs.

Ukraine war is likely to end in 2025 as Trump comes into power and wants to focus on China.

Still I am waiting for a tangible benefit to Turkey being in Nato in 2024.
It is simple, great stop gap and superiority over greek air force as well as second echelon fighter once KAAN enters in service.
 
I don’t disagree with you but What sets Turkey apart from the rest of the Muslim world are its Western values. This is the primary reason why Turkey is not a failed state like other Islamic countries. The West has developed due to these values, and Turkey shares them, which is why it is not as backward as the rest of the Muslim world.
It is bit more complex then that, western values in sense of social values are marginal within turkish one, state governing on other hand i can agree that is based on western norms but that did not prevent turkyie being failed state per se, what did prevent is their strategic position and internal strength, tradition and resilience of turkish people, simply put in one sentence they are imperial nation and those one does not fail easily.
 
It is simple, great stop gap and superiority over greek air force as well as second echelon fighter once KAAN enters in service.


Superiority over F-35s that Greek is going to get soon?
 
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It is bit more complex then that, western values in sense of social values are marginal within turkish one, state governing on other hand i can agree that is based on western norms but that did not prevent turkyie being failed state per se, what did prevent is their strategic position and internal strength, tradition and resilience of turkish people, simply put in one sentence they are imperial nation and those one does not fail easily.
I haven't seen a single Muslim-majority country that is as stable, modern, secular, democratic, and progressive as Turkey. Most of them operate under medieval-era laws and are plagued by terrorism and sectarian violence in the name of religion. Turkey is a stark contrast.
 
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