US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[EugeneP]

Lindsey needs to STFU.

Well, Lindsey is giving Congressional green light. In the Constitutional machinery we have now, that is better than nothing.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Hearsay still but it looks like many Iranian casualties which makes sense seeing the traffic jam of civilians looking for the WSO.

No reports yet on any of the wires I follow.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Well, Lindsey is giving Congressional green light. In the Constitutional machinery we have now, that is better than nothing.

Lindsey was a lapdog to the original Maverick. Slobbered over every word. Surprised he actually grew a pair after Maverick assumed ground temperature.

 

[RescueRanger]

Hearsay still but it looks like many Iranian casualties which makes sense seeing the traffic jam of civilians looking for the WSO.

The one who broke the story was none other than Jack Murphy - Yes the former ranger, one and the same:

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That said - until CENTOM confirm this, it is all scuttlebutt.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

The one who broke the story was none other than Jack Murphy - Yes the former ranger, one and the same:

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That said - until CENTOM confirm this, it is all scuttlebutt.

I've read some of his stuff on loadoutroom.com. Solid dude.

 

[SolarWarden]

Hearsay still but it looks like many Iranian casualties which makes sense seeing the traffic jam of civilians looking for the WSO.

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CENTCOMM likely had the WSO under surveillance and put an invisible perimeter around him and who ever crossed it was going to get kinetically engaged civilian or not.

 

[RescueRanger]

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CENTCOMM likely had the WSO under surveillance and put an invisible perimeter around him and who ever crossed it was going to get kinetically engaged civilian or not.

Well all crew carry a PLB - that is what they likely tracked was the ping on his PLB.

 

[SolarWarden]

Well all crew carry a PLB - that is what they likely tracked was the ping on his PLB.

I think it's a recovery and not a rescue since it has gone quiet now.

 

[RescueRanger]

I think it's a recovery and not a rescue since it has gone quiet now.

Only time will tell. Either way ballsey op.

 

[RescueRanger]

In other news, the Spoofing is still active and strong since op started some 4 hours ago. This poor Emirates A380 somehow ended up in Iran:

 

[F-22Raptor]

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Toby is one of the most reliable sources there is on CIA/spec ops

 

[Oscar]

Yes, obviously it is always about efficiency over risk to maintain coverage tempo...so it would be beneficial to land at that base to refuel..sure.

But there is no evidence the planes were actually refueling when they got hit..if they were that would hint at efficiency. Okay maybe the crew got tired or maybe some equipment needed a "cool down". You still didn't actually need to park it there if wasn't a touch-and-go operation.


It is inevitable that some machinery gets lost in battle...but lets not increase the odds of it.


You are being ridiculous. Those countries didn't spend billions on AA defenses just because they thought there was only a 1% chance they would ever be used. The threat envelope was well known.

Treating a Boeing 707 packed with fragile radar equipment like a rental car pulling into a gas station is completely detached from military aviation reality. There is no such thing as a touch and go turnaround for an E-3 Sentry in a high tempo combat zone. These are fifty year old airframes that require a massive ground support footprint. The radar systems mandate specialized liquid cooling carts the moment the engines shut down. The airframe demands hours of mandatory post flight maintenance inspections just to be certified safe for the next launch. The crews fly twelve to sixteen hour combat orbits and are bound by strict, federally mandated crew rest cycles.

They were parked at Prince Sultan Air Base because the logistics tail requires them to remain static between sorties. You cannot hot pit a strategic command and control aircraft and bounce it back into the fight.

Your comment about spending billions on "AA defenses" demonstrates a fundamental confusion about the battlespace. Anti-Aircraft defenses do not blow up parked planes on a runway. Surface to surface ballistic missiles and loitering munitions do. You are conflating defensive surface to air missile networks to say somehow that their existence means everything would be ok? WuT?

If the threat envelope was as universally understood as you claim, then American strategic planners knowingly placed irreplaceable command assets inside an active kill box. They did this because the basic physics of the air war gave them no other choice. Pushing the maintenance hubs and crew rest facilities far enough out to be genuinely safe breaks the sortie generation rate entirely.

The architects of this intervention sold the public a clinical, over the horizon fantasy based on the same manufactured consensus we saw two decades ago. The operational reality is that maintaining the required combat tempo forces field commanders to bleed billion dollar assets. The Pentagon and their intelligence contractors built a war plan that requires exposing vulnerable heavy aircraft just to keep the strike packages moving. The system is failing exactly the way Vietnam era planners failed when they tried to substitute technological arrogance for geographic reality.

 

[SolarWarden]

Treating a Boeing 707 packed with fragile radar equipment like a rental car pulling into a gas station is completely detached from military aviation reality. There is no such thing as a touch and go turnaround for an E-3 Sentry in a high tempo combat zone. These are fifty year old airframes that require a massive ground support footprint. The radar systems mandate specialized liquid cooling carts the moment the engines shut down. The airframe demands hours of mandatory post flight maintenance inspections just to be certified safe for the next launch. The crews fly twelve to sixteen hour combat orbits and are bound by strict, federally mandated crew rest cycles.

They were parked at Prince Sultan Air Base because the logistics tail requires them to remain static between sorties. You cannot hot pit a strategic command and control aircraft and bounce it back into the fight.

Your comment about spending billions on "AA defenses" demonstrates a fundamental confusion about the battlespace. Anti-Aircraft defenses do not blow up parked planes on a runway. Surface to surface ballistic missiles and loitering munitions do. You are conflating defensive surface to air missile networks with offensive strike complexes.

If the threat envelope was as universally understood as you claim, then American strategic planners knowingly placed irreplaceable command assets inside an active kill box. They did this because the basic physics of the air war gave them no other choice. Pushing the maintenance hubs and crew rest facilities far enough out to be genuinely safe breaks the sortie generation rate entirely.

The architects of this intervention sold the public a clinical, over the horizon fantasy based on the same manufactured consensus we saw two decades ago. The operational reality is that maintaining the required combat tempo forces field commanders to bleed billion dollar assets. The Pentagon and their intelligence contractors built a war plan that requires exposing vulnerable heavy aircraft just to keep the strike packages moving. The system is failing exactly the way Vietnam era planners failed when they tried to substitute technological arrogance for geographic reality.

WTh??!? Something's wrong with mein eyes I'm seeing pink and lite blue letterings

 

[SolarWarden]

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Toby is one of the most reliable sources there is on CIA/spec ops

Wonder if it took hours from rescuing pilot to disclosing his rescue.

 

[Oscar]

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Toby is one of the most reliable sources there is on CIA/spec ops

Great - can make a straight to streaming movie about him when its all done and have Scott eastwood star in it.