US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[pashtunkoum]

Also there’s been a lot of hubbub about the hit on the E-3. While it’s an important asset, the Air Force has been attempting to retire them for some time now. Around a dozen or so have been retired the last few years. Frankly, the technology on them is outdated relative to the E-2Ds and the US operates 75+ of those. If the Air Force truly wants to cover that E-3 gap they could pull one from the recently retired E-3s. Otherwise, they could cover the gap with E-2s.

The hit is not long term but an operational one. You can’t all of a sudden replace them whee they’re deployed. At least that’s what I understood.

 

[dbc]

What choice does Iran have? Fight or give up its sovereignty and its oil wealth to the US?

For the people in power it's do or die, this is not a war they started your government did and it's your government that can end it. But trumpy wont end it and this will be costly for all involved, but not Israel.

We are where we are not that my government asked for my opinion before it started this war. The way I see it there are four possible outcomes
1. Iran wins and everything I wrote in my earlier post comes to pass.
2. Iran losses and is forced to concede all control over its means to generate revenue and its military is neutered for the foreseeable future.
3. Negotiated peace with enforceable terms that everyone accepts without any clear winners or losers. This will look like a lite version of outcome 2.
4. The US withdraws and throws Israel under the bus. A desperate Israel then resorts to WMD's.


Now pick one.

 

[SolarWarden]

The point is the Iranians have destroyed an active military asset that was being militarily used against them in combat operations. That is an achievement, regardless of "retirement timelines". It is in the same way that all THAAD radars in the Middle East have been destroyed, with only some (>1 ? ) remaining in Israel as of now. That too, is a significant achievement.

I'm a bit puzzled that Iran with over a thousand missiles in range of US Saudi bases including drones that they have managed to take out US aircraft in the single digits. Even if US is using GPS jamming those missiles still carry gyro guidance. I really did expect more damage because of the proximity of those bases from Iran unlike Israel. Now maybe if Iran struck first but even then when US first hit Iran they went after leadership and not launchers.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Sec Rubio explicitly saying regime change was NEVER the objective of this operation.

brother you started this war on the pretext of killings and regime change , thats all DJT and BIBI talked about regime change iranians taking the streets etc etc, you striked borders to allow for Infiltration of kurds , you striked basij forces and their checkpost


you dont get to backtrack now that you have failed at one of your main goals


and now you have the hormuz mess which trump cant get out of no matter how much he is trying to .

 

[Ali_Baba]

I'm a bit puzzled that Iran with over a thousand missiles in range of US Saudi bases including drones that they have managed to take out US aircraft in the single digits. Even if US is using GPS jamming those missiles still carry gyro guidance. I really did expect more damage because of the proximity of those bases from Iran unlike Israel. Now maybe if Iran struck first but even then when US first hit Iran they went after leadership and not launchers.

It’s a long war, and I think Iran is pacing themselves..

 

[F-22Raptor]

The point is the Iranians have destroyed an active military asset that was being militarily used against them in combat operations. That is an achievement, regardless of "retirement timelines". It is in the same way that all THAAD radars in the Middle East have been destroyed, with only some (>1 ? ) remaining in Israel as of now. That too, is a significant achievement.

Yes, but it’s too rare of an occurrence for it to have any effect on US/Israeli operations. In terms of aircraft losses:

- 3 F-15s lost to friendly fire
- 1 damaged F-35 that made it back to base
- 1 destroyed KC-135 in an accident over Iraq, another KC-135 damaged
- 5 damaged KC-135 at PSAB in an earlier attack, 4 of the 5 have since returned to flight per Pres Trump
- 1 destroyed E-3, 1 KC-135 destroyed with another possibly damaged at PSAB

Given the scale of operations, this is limited damage to US forces. The US had lost 3X this amount in Desert Storm by this point in combat operations.

 

[Aryan_B]

what does winning look like for Iran?
- the regime survives, but rules over rubble with no way to provide for its people?
- 20% of the worlds oil and gas is offline for years
If Iran wins, I'm assuming of course that Iranian infrastructure and means of revenue will be destroyed in malice with Iran responding in kind and destroying Arab O&G industries.

There is no winning for any of us. I guess the only ones winning are those that are able to bring oil and gas to market at exorbitant prices.

Well for starters Pax America in the toilet end of the American empire. America has propagated misery for many muslims around the world (and non muslims)

I remember 10 years ago on pdf discussions about Aircraft carriers being obsolete with missiles like CM-400 something the other but it was theoretical. Iran has shown the world the AC in RL are now obsolete. Unfortunately my country UK loses out a lot as they pushed the boat to commission two ACs.

Don't forget who started this war whilst under a flag of negotiations Americans killed Iranian the SL and killed hundreds of innocent children. These tactics are not of the good or strong but seem underhanded dirty and frankly bad. watch your own movies do you see America behaving like this in any movies.

So costly as it will be to Iran and the world it will be good to see the demise of America. Iran will recover but its sacrifice will never be forgotten the muslims and the many suffering as a result of Israel and America will be happy and relieved

 

[Aryan_B]

Yes, but it’s too rare of an occurrence for it to have any effect on US/Israeli operations. In terms of aircraft losses:

- 3 F-15s lost to friendly fire
- 1 damaged F-35 that made it back to base
- 1 destroyed KC-135 in an accident over Iraq, another KC-135 damaged
- 5 damaged KC-135 at PSAB in an earlier attack, 4 of the 5 have since returned to flight per Pres Trump
- 1 destroyed E-3, 1 KC-135 destroyed with another possibly damaged at PSAB

Given the scale of operations, this is limited damage to US forces. The US had lost 3X this amount in Desert Storm by this point in combat operations.

yea but what about the laundry on fire and the american lies

 

[F-22Raptor]

I'm a bit puzzled that Iran with over a thousand missiles in range of US Saudi bases including drones that they have managed to take out US aircraft in the single digits. Even if US is using GPS jamming those missiles still carry gyro guidance. I really did expect more damage because of the proximity of those bases from Iran unlike Israel. Now maybe if Iran struck first but even then when US first hit Iran they went after leadership and not launchers.

I’m surprised they haven’t inflicted more casualties and material losses given the amount of munitions fired. Most is infrastructure damage that will be rebuilt.

No shot down fighters is pretty remarkable. The Iraqis and Serbs both managed this. It’s why I say it’s the most impressive air campaign in modern history. They’ve achieved Desert Storm level of sorties with less assets, hunted TELs at the fastest rate in history with no fighter/bomber losses. The USAF and USN have been superb at executing their objectives.

 

[F-22Raptor]

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[Aryan_B]

I’m surprised they haven’t inflicted more casualties and material losses given the amount of munitions fired. Most is infrastructure damage that will be rebuilt.

No shot down fighters is pretty remarkable. The Iraqis and Serbs both managed this. It’s why I say it’s the most impressive air campaign in modern history. They’ve achieved Desert Storm level of sorties with less assets, hunted TELs at the fastest rate in history with no fighter/bomber losses. The USAF and USN have been superb at executing their objectives.

you are assuming Americans and and Israelis ate telling the truth lol

 

[KingQamaR]

I'm a bit puzzled that Iran with over a thousand missiles in range of US Saudi bases including drones that they have managed to take out US aircraft in the single digits. Even if US is using GPS jamming those missiles still carry gyro guidance. I really did expect more damage because of the proximity of those bases from Iran unlike Israel. Now maybe if Iran struck first but even then when US first hit Iran they went after leadership and not launchers.

It depends on China and Russia giving Iran neat intelligence. If China had given Iran real time surveillance on Saudi base chances are, IRGC would have planned and done more damage to US refuelers planes all parked up neatly in the open. It’s totally incompetent from US military to put all your hardware with in easy missile strike….

 

[lightning f57]

We are where we are not that my government asked for my opinion before it started this war. The way I see it there are four possible outcomes
1. Iran wins and everything I wrote in my earlier post comes to pass.
2. Iran losses and is forced to concede all control over its means to generate revenue and its military is neutered for the foreseeable future.
3. Negotiated peace with enforceable terms that everyone accepts without any clear winners or losers. This will look like a lite version of outcome 2.
4. The US withdraws and throws Israel under the bus. A desperate Israel then resorts to WMD's.


Now pick one.

What I think is more likely is 3, the quicker trumpy realises the better for all involved.

 

[dbc]

Yes, but it’s too rare of an occurrence for it to have any effect on US/Israeli operations. In terms of aircraft losses:

- 3 F-15s lost to friendly fire
- 1 damaged F-35 that made it back to base
- 1 destroyed KC-135 in an accident over Iraq, another KC-135 damaged
- 5 damaged KC-135 at PSAB in an earlier attack, 4 of the 5 have since returned to flight per Pres Trump
- 1 destroyed E-3, 1 KC-135 destroyed with another possibly damaged at PSAB

Given the scale of operations, this is limited damage to US forces. The US had lost 3X this amount in Desert Storm by this point in combat operations.

you forget the billion dollar radar losses and the 13 US soldiers that died.That's thirteen families that grieve their loss. Not to mention countless civilians that want none of this and suffer through loss of loved ones, property and livelihood. Their suffering will last decades after the war is over.

 

[dbc]

Well for starters Pax America in the toilet end of the American empire. America has propagated misery for many muslims around the world (and non muslims)

I remember 10 years ago on pdf discussions about Aircraft carriers being obsolete with missiles like CM-400 something the other but it was theoretical. Iran has shown the world the AC in RL are now obsolete. Unfortunately my country UK loses out a lot as they pushed the boat to commission two ACs.

Don't forget who started this war whilst under a flag of negotiations Americans killed Iranian the SL and killed hundreds of innocent children. These tactics are not of the good or strong but seem underhanded dirty and frankly bad. watch your own movies do you see America behaving like this in any movies.

So costly as it will be to Iran and the world it will be good to see the demise of America. Iran will recover but its sacrifice will never be forgotten the muslims and the many suffering as a result of Israel and America will be happy and relieved

now that's pure fantasy. I'm not old enough to have experienced the Vietnam war but people have said the same thing before, during and after every war.