US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[Ali_Baba]

The Chinese aren’t challenging the US military in the Persian Gulf unless it wants to meet the ocean floor.

That is not the way it works. Will the USN challenge the Chinese navy escorting Chinese oil tankers? The decision point will be for the USN to make the decision to do that, not the Chinese.

 

[F-22Raptor]

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[SolarWarden]

Looks like bombing are on hold until 2-week ceasefire expires and, in the meantime, blockade of all shipping likely to get Iran to break ceasefire. Like F22 said Iran was already in violation by charging ships and blocking strait into a slow drip of ships allowed through.

 

[F-22Raptor]

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The Ford carrier group has completed resupply of ammo and supplies and operating in the Eastern Mediterranean

 

[mythbuster]

Looks like bombing are on hold until 2-week ceasefire expires and, in the meantime, blockade of all shipping likely to get Iran to break ceasefire. Like F22 said Iran was already in violation by charging ships and blocking strait into a slow drip of ships allowed through.

I like to believe that Iran still have some level of sanity and won't commit suicide.

 

[F-22Raptor]

I like to believe that Iran still have some level of sanity and won't commit suicide.

The US could level every building in Iran and its entire economy, but as long as some leader remains alive in a bunker they’d claim victory. That’s how delusional they are. Essentially Hamas at state level.

 

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[j_hungary]

What makes you think the Chinese will listen? They are under no obligation to in international waters.
This will make matters worse when they are other powers bring their navies.

China won't care about that.........

Since the beginning of the Russian-Ukrainian war, China has been buying excessive Russian oil at very low cost and, at the same time, expanding the pipeline with Russia. Conventional figures put China's strategic oil reserve at anywhere between 18 to 24 months. With expanding Russian capacity, they probably can hold on for 30 months before getting into dire straits.

US won't be able to hold on for 24 months, let alone 30 months. If this is not resolved by November this year, Trump is going to lose the Congress and/or the Senate as well.

 

[dbc]

China won't care about that.........

Since the beginning of the Russian-Ukrainian war, China has been buying excessive Russian oil at very low cost and, at the same time, expanding the pipeline with Russia. Conventional figures put China's strategic oil reserve at anywhere between 18 to 24 months. With expanding Russian capacity, they probably can hold on for 30 months before getting into dire straits.

US won't be able to hold on for 24 months, let alone 30 months. If this is not resolved by November this year, Trump is going to lose the Congress and/or the Senate as well.

No way, Russia alone cannot sate the Chinese appetite for energy. The Chinese may have strategic reserves but the impact to the global economy from a sustained blockade of the strait will hit them hard like everyone else. So we are at the stage where we are either looking at global economic crisis or the US/Iran winning decisively. Iran losing will be catastrophic for Iran and the region and may precipitate an even worse economic outlook for the world. The US losing and retreating is probably the best outcome for the world. Calling it like it is, if it offends then you know I'm right.

 

[j_hungary]

No way, Russia alone cannot sate the Chinese appetite for energy. The Chinese may have strategic reserves but the impact to the global economy from a sustained blockade of the strait will hit them hard like everyone else. So we are at the stage where we are either looking at global economic crisis or the US/Iran winning decisively. Iran losing will be catastrophic for Iran and the region and may precipitate an even worse economic outlook for the world. The US losing and retreating is probably the best outcome for the world. Calling it like it is, if it offends then you know I'm right.

I am not saying Russia can replace China's energy needs; I am saying China has boosted its strategic reserve by almost 300% in the last 5 years. China will suffer from it in the long term, but it will not be as much as we think they will suffer, simply because they have added a heck of a lot of oil reserves since at least 2022, and they have increased that buffer.

In the short term, that damage didn't really exist for China if you compare it to the upcoming US election in just about 7 months. Trump's position will be F'ed if he loses both the Senate and Congress, which is heading that way.

In short, China can wait; the US can't.

 

[mythbuster]

No way, Russia alone cannot sate the Chinese appetite for energy. The Chinese may have strategic reserves but the impact to the global economy from a sustained blockade of the strait will hit them hard like everyone else. So we are at the stage where we are either looking at global economic crisis or the US/Iran winning decisively. Iran losing will be catastrophic for Iran and the region and may precipitate an even worse economic outlook for the world. The US losing and retreating is probably the best outcome for the world. Calling it like it is, if it offends then you know I'm right.

It's easier to straighten up a pretzel than the twist in your logic ... good for you if it works for you.

 

[The SC]

I like to believe that Iran still have some level of sanity and won't commit suicide.

What the United States of America wants from Iran means a comprehensive, complete, unconditional surrender, and it does not have enough time to wait! (This reminds one of the impossible conditions they've asked from Japan in WW2!)

Handing over uranium, ending the nuclear project, reducing the missile program, and stopping support for militias in the region is life or death for the mullahs’ regime in Tehran. These are the basic pillars on which the ideology of exporting the revolution in the region is based.

Perhaps the biggest problem with the Iranian regime is its inability to read and analyze the personalities and mentalities that run the political scene in America today. For decades, it has been accustomed to mentalities that accept maneuvering, flattery, and conciliation, but it is not familiar with confrontational personalities that do not accept maneuvering and procrastination!

The Iranian regime has not yet realized that the character or characters running the scene will go so far in the conflict that if they had to choose between what would affect some of America’s highest interests and hitting Iran with a nuclear weapon, they would choose to hit Iran with a nuclear weapon!! Without batting an eyelid..

Maybe Iran chose to commit suicide. We ask God for safety.

 

[Waz]

China won't care about that.........

Since the beginning of the Russian-Ukrainian war, China has been buying excessive Russian oil at very low cost and, at the same time, expanding the pipeline with Russia. Conventional figures put China's strategic oil reserve at anywhere between 18 to 24 months. With expanding Russian capacity, they probably can hold on for 30 months before getting into dire straits.

US won't be able to hold on for 24 months, let alone 30 months. If this is not resolved by November this year, Trump is going to lose the Congress and/or the Senate as well.

I literally just read that before you posted, and you're spot on about them having a greater buffer now, where Russian oil made up a significant amount. Kudos to your knowledge.
It's all a waiting game now.

 

[Waz]

No way, Russia alone cannot sate the Chinese appetite for energy. The Chinese may have strategic reserves but the impact to the global economy from a sustained blockade of the strait will hit them hard like everyone else. So we are at the stage where we are either looking at global economic crisis or the US/Iran winning decisively. Iran losing will be catastrophic for Iran and the region and may precipitate an even worse economic outlook for the world. The US losing and retreating is probably the best outcome for the world. Calling it like it is, if it offends then you know I'm right.

Accurate to the last letter here friend. At the moment we have this whole going harder will make things better scenario going on, but then the president has that rabid dog Bibi whispering in his ears.
I just know, as does most of the sane world, that global economic shock, one which will be disruptive for years to come is well on its way.

 

[Starlord]

No way, Russia alone cannot sate the Chinese appetite for energy. The Chinese may have strategic reserves but the impact to the global economy from a sustained blockade of the strait will hit them hard like everyone else. So we are at the stage where we are either looking at global economic crisis or the US/Iran winning decisively. Iran losing will be catastrophic for Iran and the region and may precipitate an even worse economic outlook for the world. The US losing and retreating is probably the best outcome for the world. Calling it like it is, if it offends then you know I'm right.

Do you think that a super power ego won't let America to retreat ? I mean even smaller countries have ego issues when they are in conflict they become stubborn, I mean what you are saying it make sense wrt world peace, but I feel America is invested too much into this, PR will be nightmare if USA retreat without proper escape. And we can't undermine the whisperings of Bibi who wants the war to continue for "Great Israel" And to avoid criminal cases, I think Bibi has put his entire legacy in this war, he will go down as Hitler of our time, and probably the most hated person for the years to come, Israel will also have to work on his PR after peace prevails but so far i am not seeing it happening.