US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[EugeneP]

We as Americans are still confused as to what objectives the current Trump led administration are trying to achieve in this war

^^

This is the opinion of majority of American public

I think it is as obvious as one's nose. Trump has been repeating it for hundredth time:

From day one, the objectives have been clear: obliterate Iran’s missiles and production, annihilate its navy, sever its support for terrorist proxies, and ensure it never acquires a nuclear weapon. To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies. For more detailed information, see our cookies page. Accept third party cookies

 

[Falcon29]

I think it is as obvious as one's nose. Trump has been repeating it for hundredth time:

From day one, the objectives have been clear: obliterate Iran’s missiles and production, annihilate its navy, sever its support for terrorist proxies, and ensure it never acquires a nuclear weapon. To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies. For more detailed information, see our cookies page. Accept third party cookies

That is what we call 'شروط اعجازيه ' in Arabic. Essentially high ceiling demands that even the administration knows can't be achieved and instead are designed to raise ceiling of demands to get Iran to make a different set of concessions that the administration believes or thinks they can get Iran to make.

Thus, they have only communicated their negation strategy but have yet to communicate what actual realistic objectives they are seeking to to achieve. So far its a copy paste Netanyahu administration approach for wars which we've seen have not yielded desirable outcomes comes in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Iran. Besides destruction and widespread death

 

[EugeneP]

That is what we call 'شروط اعجازيه ' in Arabic. Essentially high ceiling demands that even the administration knows can't be achieved and instead are designed to raise ceiling of demands to get Iran to make a different set of concessions that the administration believes or thinks they can get Iran to make.

Thus, they have only communicated their negation strategy but have yet to communicate what actual realistic objectives they are seeking to to achieve. So far its a copy paste Netanyahu administration approach for wars which we've seen have not yielded desirable outcomes comes in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Iran. Besides destruction and widespread death

While those were objectives on April 1, I think Trump will consider neutralizing HEU and returning strait of Hormuz to pre-war status as win. Navy has been neutralized and missile production degraded by attacks on military production. So, they are already partially won. Proxies has always been a stretch goal, but with economic issues Iran has and will be facing, it may also be partially 'won'.

 

[Falcon29]

That is what we call 'شروط اعجازيه ' in Arabic. Essentially high ceiling demands that even the administration knows can't be achieved and instead are designed to raise ceiling of demands to get Iran to make a different set of concessions that the administration believes or thinks they can get Iran to make.

Thus, they have only communicated their negation strategy but have yet to communicate what actual realistic objectives they are seeking to to achieve. So far its a copy paste Netanyahu administration approach for wars which we've seen have not yielded desirable outcomes comes in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Iran. Besides destruction and widespread death

Israeli army main zone of operation is actually has been the Occupied Palestinian West Bank for decades. Was also Gaza at one point but then they came back to occupy 60% of Gaza now.

Point being Israeli army lacks capacity to deliver outcomes desired by Israeli political echelon in the various arenas (Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, West Bank) and Netanyahu thinks throwing the weight of the United States behind his war efforts will achieve that.

Trump administration is committing treason by permitting use of US army as military tool for Netanyahu government to achieve their regional objectives

 

[Falcon29]

While those were objectives on April 1, I think Trump will consider neutralizing HEU and returning strait of Hormuz to pre-war status as win. Navy has been neutralized and missile production degraded by attacks on military production. So, they are already partially won. Proxies has always been a stretch goal, but with economic issues Iran has and will be facing, it may also be partially 'won'.

Yes I agree

Trump can climb down from tree. But we don't truly know if he is truly compromised by Israel or doing this all willingfully. Netanyahu administration on other hand is extreme and still has unabated weapons supply through US giving their Air Force ability to sustain continuous operations in numerous arenas.

The Israeli army on other hand is exhausted and demanding an exit strategy.

 

[Watandar]

While those were objectives on April 1, I think Trump will consider neutralizing HEU and returning strait of Hormuz to pre-war status as win. Navy has been neutralized and missile production degraded by attacks on military production. So, they are already partially won. Proxies has always been a stretch goal, but with economic issues Iran has and will be facing, it may also be partially 'won'.

Those are very poor results for $60 plus billion would'nt you say ?

Iran War Cost Tracker — First Week Cost $11.3 Billion

The Pentagon told Congress the first week of the Iran war cost $11.3 billion. Track the running total in real time.

iran-cost-ticker.com

 

[EugeneP]

Those are very poor results for $60 plus billion would'nt you say ?

Iran War Cost Tracker — First Week Cost $11.3 Billion

The Pentagon told Congress the first week of the Iran war cost $11.3 billion. Track the running total in real time.

iran-cost-ticker.com

Not at all. If this war rings up under $100 billion and achieves its objectives, it is a cheap war. By comparison, 2003 Iraq war and Afghanistan war costed lot more and achieved nothing much.

 

[Watandar]

Not at all. If this war rings up under $100 billion and achieves its objectives, it is a cheap war. By comparison, 2003 Iraq war and Afghanistan war costed lot more and achieved nothing much.

Add another $5 billion to repair the bases damaged in this un necessary war.

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thehill.com

 

[EugeneP]

Israeli army main zone of operation is actually has been the Occupied Palestinian West Bank for decades. Was also Gaza at one point but then they came back to occupy 60% of Gaza now.

Point being Israeli army lacks capacity to deliver outcomes desired by Israeli political echelon in the various arenas (Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, West Bank) and Netanyahu thinks throwing the weight of the United States behind his war efforts will achieve that.

Trump administration is committing treason by permitting use of US army as military tool for Netanyahu government to achieve their regional objectives

While the role of Israel in influencing this war may be debated for ever, there is no doubt that Trump was firmly against Iran having HEU as far back as 2016. So, at best, Netanyahu might have played supporting actor role, but Trump is the main character in the show. Very importantly, note that, as we approach 2nd month of the conflict, there is negligible political opposition. Even the grumbling about gas prices has gone down in the last 2 weeks or so as oil has stayed below $100.

 

[Davey Crockett]

Trump administration is committing treason by permitting use of US army as military tool for Netanyahu government to achieve their regional objectives

Congress is committing treason by not stopping the war, also, military personnel involved is committing crimes by going along with this.

The smart ones are resigning or getting out.

 

[EugeneP]

Congress is committing treason by not stopping the war, also, military personnel involved is committing crimes by going along with this.

The smart ones are resigning or getting out.

By refusing to stop the war for five times, Congress essentially agreed to continue the war. So, there is nothing illegal with this war, let alone 'treason' or 'crime' - terms that don't apply to Congress.

 

[Davey Crockett]

By refusing to stop the war for five times, Congress essentially agreed to continue the war. So, there is nothing illegal with this war, let alone 'treason' or 'crime' - terms that don't apply to Congress.

Treason includes adhering to enemies by giving them "aid and comfort"

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Aid and Comfort: According to the Constitution Annotated, this requires an overt act that strengthens the enemy or weakens the United States, rather than just unpopular opinions.

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Or weakens the United States....

Treason.

Comes a time when decades of CONgressional "ineptitude" is recognized for what it is - treason.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

I believe what I see and read. At the end of the day it will be difficult to trust the US as quoted by a retired US General.

Allies of the United States cannot fully trust the U.S.

After Trump came to power, the things Trump did made the U.S.'s allies even more doubtful of the United States.

What is even more notable is that within the United States, Americans themselves cannot fully trust the U.S.

Here are some pieces of evidence provided based on the news.

In February 2026, the U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS Ford experienced widespread clogging in about 650 toilets on board while on its way to a mission in the Middle East. At the same time, on March 12, a fire occurred in the carrier's main laundry room.

In March 2026, U.S. Director of National Intelligence Joe Kent resigned, explicitly stating that he 'could not support the ongoing war in Iran against his conscience.'

On April 1, 2026, a fire broke out on the USS Eisenhower, injuring 3 to 8 sailors.

On April 2, 2026, U.S. Army Chief of Staff Randy George was asked by the Secretary of Defense to resign and immediately retire.

On April 19, 2026, the Zumwalt-class destroyer experienced a fire.

On April 22, 2026, U.S. Department of Defense Chief Spokesperson Parnell announced on social media that U.S. Navy Secretary Fallon would leave office, 'effective immediately.'

On April 26, 2026, a fire broke out at RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire, UK. This base is home to U.S. strategic bombers such as the B-52 and B-1B and is used for aggressive wars against Iran.

When coincidental events happen frequently, they are no longer coincidences. From these events, we can see the resistance of U.S. government officials and military personnel to this war.

 

[mythbuster]

Not at all. If this war rings up under $100 billion and achieves its objectives, it is a cheap war. By comparison, 2003 Iraq war and Afghanistan war costed lot more and achieved nothing much.

You are talking to shell shocked fanboys in denial mode.... blockade of Hormuz by US is more painful for Iranians than the month long bombings of mainland Iran ...
It's masterstroke by the Americans.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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