US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[Ali_Baba]

But it cannot hope to be able to control the rights of other coastal states to use their own coastal waters as they see fit.

Why not ? The USA does this all the time..

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Trump is trying to "peel the onion" in the sense that he is killing all the people he considers to be "hardliners", layer by layer, until the US reaches a new core of people who are not willing to fight against the US and would sign the surrender deal he wants.

It doesn't have to be a surrender deal. Just "normal" sane people running the country who are not interested in spreading Terror Tentacles all over the Arab and the Muslim world.

It's a fair ask to be honest.

I won't be surprised if Syria has a much larger Nominal GDP than Iran in the next 5-10 years.

 

[ShapurII]

It doesn't have to be a surrender deal. Just "normal" sane people running the country who are not interested in spreading Terror Tentacles all over the Arab and the Muslim world.

It's a fair ask to be honest.

I won't be surprised if Syria has a much larger Nominal GDP than Iran in the next 5-10 years.

Nobody cares about the Arab or the Muslim world lol A viral cat video on the internet is of more importance to the world than Arabs or Muslims.

The real issue is whether the Islamic Republic of Iran and Israel can coexist in the Middle East or not. The Islamic Republic must tone it down and accept the dominance of Israel in the region for coexistence to be possible. That's what the US is aiming for. After that is secured, the US will not mind renormalization of ties with Iran which has a large market of Westernized, highly educated people willing to purchase American products.

 

[VCheng]

Why not ? The USA does this all the time..

Such as?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Nobody cares about the Arab or the Muslim world lol A viral cat video on the internet is of more importance to the world than Arabs or Muslims.

The real issue is whether the Islamic Republic of Iran and Israel can coexist in the Middle East or not. The Islamic Republic must tone it down and accept the dominance of Israel in the region for coexistence to be possible. That's what the US is aiming for. After that is secured, the US will not mind renormalization of ties with Iran which has a large market of Westernized, highly educated people willing to purchase American products.

That's Iran's thinking but the Arab and Muslim world is fed up of Iran being a thorn since 1979.

Before 1979, there used to Arab-Israeli conflicts. After the 1979 Iranian Revolution, Arabs are busy looking over their shoulders instead of focussing on Israel.

 

[VCheng]

The real issue is whether the Islamic Republic of Iran and Israel can coexist in the Middle East or not. The Islamic Republic must tone it down and accept the dominance of Israel in the region for coexistence to be possible.

That is up to Iran to decide.

 

[ShapurII]

That's Iran's thinking but the Arab and Muslim world is fed up of Iran being a thorn since 1979.

Before 1979, there used to Arab-Israeli conflicts. After the 1979 Iranian Revolution, Arabs are busy looking over their shoulders instead of focussing on Israel.

It's not my thinking, to be honest. The problems of Arabs and your so-called "Muslims", as if Iranians are not Muslims, is their own problems, not the Western world problems.

If you exclude "pink-haired communists" and immigrants in places like Whitechapel, the rest of the people in the Western world are absolutely unbothered by Arab issues. By the way, those "pink-haired communists" and Muslims in Europe usually support Iran against Israel. So, even they are unbothered by Arab issues with Iran.

 

[j_hungary]

Nobody said Trump was the leader of the West either. That's a textbook example of a strawman fallacy. The European Union is the largest trade partner of the US by far. If Europe enters recession, the recession will eventually come to the US as well in a domino effect. It may take a few weeks or months, but it will happen without a doubt.

High oil prices won't make the economy go into recession. It didn't when this war began, when we were least prepared, and it certainly won't almost 4 months down the road when we are more prepared. And there is only 1 (well, 2) country that can stop this war, and neither of them is in Europe. If we hadn't gone into recession in March, we wouldn't have gone into recession in August.

Why Oil Price Spikes Cause Recessions But High Prices Don't

Oil price spikes cause recessions; stable high prices don't. Here's why the distinction matters for your business planning in 2026

www.forbes.com

On the other hand, you keep arguing that Brent price is the reason why I said Trump is not the leader of the West. Again, not a single person in America cares about Brent Price. And only the US can stop the war unless Iran surrenders. Because we are the ones attacking.

Neither did I. I meant they would get involved militarily. The UAE is in particularly very serious about the military option because of the issue of the three islands.
Qatar is also irrelevant militarily. They're a tiny statelet with no real military power and strategic depth. Saudi Arabia is the only Arab country in the Persian Gulf region with actual military relevance.

It's not just about hard power, but also soft power. Qatar controls 5% of the world's gas market; they have much, MUCH more say in swaying international opinion than the UAE.

Gulf military power alone is not really that strong in the region, even if you combine Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, and the UAE, you can't secure the Gulf by itself.

When there is no one else to buy from and Arabs are out, price explodes. Oil is not a luxury good that you can stop importing it until the price is down again. What you are talking about applies to luxury goods but oil is a necessity good and you must afford it because your entire industry and civilian infrastructure depend on it. So, when there's a lack of supply, demand can not get lower than a certain threshold and price will explode. Economics 101.

Dude, this is about supply and demand. Sure, say gas is $150; the retail price is now $9 per gallon in Texas at the gas pump. If you are not going to be able to afford that, that means you can't buy that; you would walk instead of driving. It doesn't matter if gas is a commodity

There is a thing called the Equilibrium Price for Supply and Demand that is independent of surplus and shortage; otherwise, food or commodity prices would be through the roof because you have to eat to survive, otherwise you die. So why not make meat $100 a pound?

 

[ShapurII]

Oil trade won't make the economy go into recession. It didn't when this war began, when we were least prepared, and it certainly won't almost 4 months down the road when we are more prepared. And there is only 1 (well, 2) country that can stop this war, and neither of them is in Europe. If we hadn't gone into recession in March, we wouldn't have gone into recession in August.

Oil trade directly impacts production. Production impacts GDP. When one major market falls, a domino effect starts in all markets linked to it. Pretty obvious facts. I am not going to argue over basic facts of economics. I am not your teacher.

And do explain, how are you more prepared now? Because strategic petroleum reserves have not been fully replenished yet as far as I know. So, if anything, you are less prepared than 4 months ago.

On the other hand, you keep arguing that Brent price is the reason why I said Trump is not the leader of the West. Again, not a single person in America cares about Brent Price. And only the US can stop the war. Because we are the one attacking.

Another strawman fallacy. I never said that the Brent price was the reason for anything. I said the Brent price was the benchmark throughout the world for oil prices in Asia and Europe. Besides that, WTI price is also strongly correlated with the Brent price. So, in the end it makes no difference whatsoever as both prices are rising rapidly.

It's not just about hard power, but also soft power. Qatar controls 5% of the world's gas market; they have much, MUCH more say in swaying international opinion than the UAE.

They have no say in anything. They're a tiny puppet state.

Gulf military power alone is not really that strong in the region, even if you combine Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, and the UAE, you can't secure the Gulf by itself.

Iraq is at the mercy of Iran. We can choke their exports any minute and they rely on Iran for even electricity. Kuwait is a joke. The UAE is a beautiful house made of glass. Only Saudi Arabia is militarily relevant in the Persian Gulf.

Dude, this is about supply and demand. Sure, say gas is $150; the retail price is now $9 per gallon in Texas at the gas pump. If you are not going to be able to afford that, that means you can't buy that; you would walk instead of driving. It doesn't matter if gas is a commodity

There is a thing called the Equilibrium Price for Supply and Demand; otherwise, food or commodity prices would be through the roof because you have to eat, otherwise you die. So why not make meat $100 a pound?

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No, it's not. Again, I am not your teacher. Google the difference between luxury goods and necessity goods. It is very ignorant not to know this sort of basic stuff and yet argue about economics.

When the price of a luxury good increases, demand for it decreases. When the price of a necessity good increases, the demand does not decrease beyond a certain threshold.

Consider wheat as a necessity good. If tomorrow the price of wheat goes up by 300%, it doesn't mean that the demand will decrease to reach the point of equilibrium, unless you accept that millions of people should die due to famine which is not a solution, but a disaster.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

It's not my thinking, to be honest. The problems of Arabs and your so-called "Muslims", as if Iranians are not Muslims, is their own problems, not the Western world problems.

If you exclude "pink-haired communists" and immigrants in places like Whitechapel, the rest of the people in the Western world are absolutely unbothered by Arab issues. By the way, those "pink-haired communists" and Muslims in Europe usually support Iran against Israel. So, even they are unbothered by Arab issues with Iran.

My Shia brother, I am not saying what the West thinks of the Arab and the Muslim World but rather what the Arab and the Muslim World thinks of Iran post 1979.

And no, I am not saying Iran is not a Muslim country but rather what every Arab and Muslim country thinks of Iran post 1979. No Arab or Muslim country had a problem with Iran pre-1979.

Look at Azerbaijan and it's positive and well respected relationships with the Arab and the Muslim World.

 

[The SC]

The U.S. Central Command CENTCOM announced that it has completed the latest wave of strikes against Iran, in a mission that lasted five hours, during which precision-guided munitions were used against Iranian defense systems and missile sites.The command added in a statement, "During the five-hour mission, U.S. forces succeeded in striking military targets across Iran, including Bushehr, Chabahar, Jask, Konarak, Abu Musa, and Bandar Abbas, with the aim of further undermining Iran's ability to attack commercial navigation."The statement continued, "Central Command forces used precision-guided munitions against Iranian coastal defense systems, missile and drone sites, and maritime capabilities."

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[Watandar]

See , you are an epitome of conceited mindset.... world economy is doing fine , look at the markets .. even if the oil prices shoot up to $ 150 , they will not , it won't dent the economy... world is not as heavily dependent on gulf oil as it once had been.... your entire soh gambit will be over within couple of weeks.... you can keep o playing your flute.

Entire US war was derailed by Iran seizing control of the SoH , and they are still fighting over it, but according to you everything is fine lol. People feel the pinch of this un necessary war everytime they visit the gas station.

 

[The SC]

Trump wants proof of life so that he can use that process, to track him down and then try to kill him...

Well..hiding for life is like death..isn't it?

 

[Watandar]

It doesn't have to be a surrender deal. Just "normal" sane people running the country who are not interested in spreading Terror Tentacles all over the Arab and the Muslim world.

It's a fair ask to be honest.

I won't be surprised if Syria has a much larger Nominal GDP than Iran in the next 5-10 years.

Were Alqaeda or ISIS or Taliban or RSF supported by Tehran ?

BBC CNN really screws up some minds.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Entire US war was derailed by Iran seizing control of the SoH , and they are still fighting over it, but according to you everything is fine lol. People feel the pinch of this un necessary war everytime they visit the gas station.

It's more noticeable at the grocery store.