US Political News and Trump’s China visit

nahtanbob said:
There is zero support for illegal immigration
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Exactly! And for a couple of reasons:

  1. The clear and obvious slap in the face to the hundreds of thousands if not millions who followed the law to get to the US.
  2. Illegal immigration continues to be the current political football of both sides of the aisle. So many opportunities over the years to do away with the issue but not acted upon. It's same as the Roe v. Wade question. Exactly the same.
 
Davey Crockett said:
Second,

Health care premiums are set to double for many.

Third,

Two million federal workers will not get paid this week.

Trump heading off to Asia tomorrow. Senate has not even bothered to set up a 13th vote to reopen the federal government.
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Health care premiums under the ACA are set to rise because the underlying tax credits are set to expire. The tax credits were originally set to expire during covid. Congress extended them because so many were impacted when the economy was shut down.

Now that they are set to expire again, both sides are playing loose and fast with the facts as part of their fear mongering.

Bottom line remains the same: if it weren't for the underlying tax credits, health care under the ACA would be unaffordable. And now we're seeing it.
 
j_hungary said:
Just the last 4 years?? How are things if we compare now to like 2008?

What exactly changed? Are you serious about asking me this?? Why do you think the Democrats call the MAGA Republicans "Fascist" in 2024, and Trump calls the Democrats antifa and terrorists? What changed in the last 6 months to bring this into development? Dude, are you living under a rock??

Used to be, if we had our political differences, we tried to meet people in the middle; that's what a centrist is. Today, we are more willing to just get pissed off and then talk. Now? I know someone who doesn't talk to their family member just because they voted for Trump or Harris. And you ask me what changed in the last 6 months?? Either you are completely clueless or you don't seems to think this is an issue.
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These issues have been getting progressively worse since the 2008 election.
 
Hamartia Antidote said:
Mostly because they aren't left leaning. So that in their eyes automatically equates to being an enemy of the country.


Mostly because they aren't right leaning. So that in their eyes automatically equates to being an enemy of the country.



It's called not enough people getting boat trips to the ocean.

That's because there are too many kooks way to the left and right.


That's because there are too many kooks way to the left and right.


Nothing. Just one extreme kook getting upset at the opposite extreme kook.


Just because two of my neighbors feel the incessant need to scream at each other over their property fence doesn't mean the sky is falling.
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Dude you need to see this
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Come to the real world. USA's debt is skyrocketing.

People wrongly suggest the shutdown is a political result. But no, its not. USA is systematically corrupt and a systematically corrupt system cannot correct itself. It will resort to abuse of power.
 
Impossible, people are too well fed to lead a "revolution", what we are seeing is a just a collective class consciousness, this is why "anti-establishment" runners are being given a chance, and now that the far-right is in charge, the far-left also sees a chance.
 
100% according to Bannon

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Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
100% according to Bannon

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Lots of circle jerking to fantasies by both the left and right part 2.

Part 1 was when people said Trump would barricade himself in the Whitehouse and surround himself with stormtroopers to prevent Biden from entering.

These are the same extreme left/right people who are 💯 convinced the day before the election their Presidential candidate would win by a landslide because they are completely out of touch with reality.
 
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Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
100% according to Bannon

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FuturePAF said:
I thinks will play for the middle, win back the centrists (as they don’t want to concede to the DSA wing of the party). Their path to power is if Trump makes enough mistakes and the Dems run people that hammer home that it’s to stop the Trump agenda in the midterms. Depending on how 2026 goes, we will see if the Dems have a shot in 2028 and who they will have to run to carry their message, because it will indicate which voters they think they need to focus on most. Not in a pandering appearing way this time, but in a more complete package. If they want a shot they will parka ably have to start a running a field of hopefuls by mid 2027 to have it hashed out by the end of 2027, so the candidate has a solid year to push back on Trump and Vance all throughout 2028.

Healthcare might be the most glaring issue to galvanize and mobilize Dems and independents towards voting in a dem majority congress in 2026, and a dem president in 2028.
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If Dems win 2026, then most likely Dems will also win 2028, because if they win in 2026, they will take back the Congress, Trump wouldn't be able to do a lot of stuff, and make him a lame duck. Means even Trump had the magic to turn the economy around, he isn't going to when Democrats had the House and/or Senate, which means the economy is going to go down in a spiral in the next 2 years until 2028

On the other hand, I was watching the Gallup Poll, the Dem had run off at +7% generic Ballot in Congress, the last time it happened is when Obama won and took over from Bush, and we see almost a supermajority (think they had 59% of Congress seats) and a 10% swing. This is going to be really bad news for the GOP if the course hold and we are heading is the same direction in 2008.

As for political strategy, the very obvious target is going to be the One Big Beautiful Bill. There is no other way around it. And then probably a further push with Obamacare and running on an expansion of the Social Benefit program, depending on how much damage Trump's tariffs are done to the people.
 
nahtanbob said:
There is zero support for illegal immigration
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2 things about illegal immigration.

1.) People don't support illegal immigration, but that does not mean they are okay with the current method of deporting illegal immigrants. Especially with Americans of Hispanic Heritage.

2.) Illegal Immigration had nothing to do with the economy, the Economy is going down the drain because of the Tariff, you can deport all 13-20 or whatever million of Illegal and the economy is not going to get back up. And the Economy is the biggest issue that is affecting Americans, not illegal immigrants.

You are talking about the Trump government pumping 170 billion (money we don't have) into DHS and ICE, and then shortening the course for FLETC from 13 weeks to 6 weeks to pump out extra ICE agents. What do you think will happen?

And finally, if there were zero support for illegal immigration, we wouldn't have the current illegal "problem" to begin with. They would have been reported and deported on day 1, and nobody is going to give them jobs.
 
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