US Political News and Trump’s China visit

I call myself a 'liberal' and most of my votes are for the Democrats or the Green Party but there was one Trump 2020. But some of my liberal friends are so far in their own bubble that hard to believe them much of what they say about politics. One, before the 2004 elections, said 'Bush will declare Martial Law and there won't be any elections'.
And that's a college educated guy!
America had the elections even during the Second World War!!
America is becoming more and more authoritarian. Trump is already selling merchandise that says Trump 2028, which is an indication he will run again, despite the constitution limiting him to two terms.

I remain convinced that if Trump sees a chance, he can and will cancel elections to try and remain in power.

These issues have been seen in other nations as well. It is a valid concern about a man who has shown a flagrant violation of the laws of his land.
 
On more than thirty occasions between 1776 and 1779, American men and women gathered in crowds to confront hoarding merchants, intimidate "unreasonable" storekeepers, and seize scarce commodities ranging from sugar to tea to bread. A good-sized minority of the crowds we know about consisted largely of women; a few others may have included men and women alike. Each crowd voiced specific local grievances, but it is clear that their participants sometimes knew of actions elsewhere and viewed each episode as part of a wider drama.

 
Not right now, but the American empire is indeed falling. When it falls, American prosperity will also decline. When poverty and the yawning gap between the rich and poor reach an obscene level, then you will start seeing actual revolution. I think we have a 50 year time frame.
 
Shabbos-Goyim
Israel Shamir • October 23, 2025

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The late saint of the communist calendar, Rosa Luxemburg, often called her opponents ‘Shabbos-goyim,’ meaning servants of the Jews. A Shabbos-goy is a non-Jew who toadies to every wish and whim of the Jews, especially in politics, or a non-Jew who is heavily supportive of Israel, says the dictionary. They are a breed apart.

One can argue about how successfully Jews rule the countries they lead. There are more- and less-successful examples. Usually, Jewish rule is good for the king and his coterie, and bad for the ordinary Tom, Dick and Harry. The policies of a foreign cosmopolitan elite might be resisted by the majority population of any country, but once a class of Shabbos goyim has been developed, nobody is able to escape Jewish rule, inevitably ruining the country. That happened with Poland; it was a mighty kingdom that had successfully fought Russia and Turkey. But the Poles allowed the Jews to manage their country, and in no time, Poland collapsed and was partitioned. This happened with Russia; heavy Jewish influence had brought it to the very brink of collapse in 1991, and only with great difficulty was Putin able to stabilise the country. Since the 2014 American coup Ukraine has been ruled by Jews, and now it is being destroyed.

The United States is a country ruled by Shabbos goyim, starting with LBJ, that is, after Nixon. Donald Trump, seemingly an imposing man of respectable age, height and weight, also turned out to be a Shabbos goy. He admitted that much himself when speaking in the Knesset. It turns out that he most often met with a couple of American Jews, casino owners, and they had financed his path to the White House. Even young Kushner, his son-in-law, and older Kushner, his father-in-law, a well-known and convicted fraudster (like most Jewish businessmen), and now the US ambassador to Paris, determine Trump’s actions. Their plan is to destroy Gaza and build a country club for Jews on its ruins, and make a fortune from it.

Americans practically have no choice – all the competing politicians are Shabbos-goyim. Out of 535, there is just one American congressman, Thomas Massie, who doesn’t take Jewish bribes, but what he can do alone? Eventually, the US will collapse, because a country led by pet Shabbos goyim must collapse – and should collapse, because the government does not represent the American people. The power of AIPAC over the US Congress proves that the US is ruled by Jewish donors. Between the Jewish oligarchs and their Shabbos goyim they have pocketed practically all the media. Much of this Jewish largess has been lifted directly from the US Treasury.

“Unconditional support for Israel is a critical litmus test of acceptability by the major media in the U.S. Prospective pundits ‘earn their stripes’ by showing their devotion to Israel (and, presumably other Jewish issues). It seems difficult to explain the huge tilt toward Israel in the absence of some enormous selective factor as the result of individual attitudes. And there is the obvious suggestion that while the Jews on this list must be seen as ethnic actors, the non-Jews are certainly making an excellent career move in taking the positions they do”, wrote Kevin Macdonald.

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In American system there's a built in self correction mechanism , I am sure it won't go the way of Poland and Russia or Ukraine......french ambassador to America in the late 19th century made couple of pertinent observations......1 ) America is a victim of her own image ... 2) America always does the right thing after she has exhausted all other options........I am not that pessimistic.
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Not right now, but the American empire is indeed falling. When it falls, American prosperity will also decline. When poverty and the yawning gap between the rich and poor reach an obscene level, then you will start seeing actual revolution. I think we have a 50 year time frame.
The divide is already worse than during the Robber Baron era.

We are, at best, five years away from a revolution.
 
So you're suggesting the right would do like the left did during the summer of 2020?

Doubtful. There might be some isolated, extremist lone wolf events but nothing like we witnessed during the "mostly peaceful" protests of the 2020.
What will you do if a Democratic President issues an executive order and starts banning a certain type of firearms nationwide after a few mass shootings? I am not talking about an assault weapon ban, or banning bump stock (Although those things already push people to the limit), but an Australian-style gun buy-back, and you are not allowed to own anything afterward, type of ban.

Political Violence is on the rise, and if you think or believe Trump said the majority of them are committed by the left, well, you probably will be surprised to hear otherwise.
 
America is becoming more and more authoritarian. Trump is already selling merchandise that says Trump 2028, which is an indication he will run again, despite the constitution limiting him to two terms.

I remain convinced that if Trump sees a chance, he can and will cancel elections to try and remain in power.

These issues have been seen in other nations as well. It is a valid concern about a man who has shown a flagrant violation of the laws of his land.
I used to believe America would do the right thing, and things like these are going to be reversed. The problem is, we have already seen how Trump basically ignores the Constitution, how Trump trampled on people's rights. Trump had issued 209 in this term (which is 10 months into his second term), 220 in the first term, Biden issued 160 in his 4 years, and even Obama, which were heavily criticized by his "Liberal" use of Executive order, is not matching Trump (270 in 8 years)


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Unless he is going to do zip in the next 3 years, you are talking about Woodrow Wilson, FDR level of executive order issued (both issued over 1000) by a sitting president, and we had a war (as in world war) with those Presidents.

He WILL, and is already centralizing power with his government; he took out 96 different inspector general offices, which means a lot of those (especially DHS) are basically uncontrolled at this point.

The problem for him is, I don't see any way he can win the election in 26, which means he is going to be a lame duck afterward because he will lose the congress and senate backing, which means the only way he could govern is by issuing more executive orders. Which may or may not be challenged.

The thing is, if he did not become a dictator (which he already said he would and we are just laughing about it 2 years ago) he is going to lose 28. And the GOP is not going to recover in a couple of elections, now would the right winger willing to live like the lefty when they had their right trample all over the place? Well...
 
2 things about illegal immigration.

1.) People don't support illegal immigration, but that does not mean they are okay with the current method of deporting illegal immigrants. Especially with Americans of Hispanic Heritage.

2.) Illegal Immigration had nothing to do with the economy, the Economy is going down the drain because of the Tariff, you can deport all 13-20 or whatever million of Illegal and the economy is not going to get back up. And the Economy is the biggest issue that is affecting Americans, not illegal immigrants.

You are talking about the Trump government pumping 170 billion (money we don't have) into DHS and ICE, and then shortening the course for FLETC from 13 weeks to 6 weeks to pump out extra ICE agents. What do you think will happen?

And finally, if there were zero support for illegal immigration, we wouldn't have the current illegal "problem" to begin with. They would have been reported and deported on day 1, and nobody is going to give them jobs.
States like California actively coddle illegal immigrants giving them driver licenses, Medicaid, financial aid in college etc.
 
States like California actively coddle illegal immigrants giving them driver licenses, Medicaid, financial aid in college etc.
And you think only states like California provided material support to illegal?

You do know the farming industry in the US is hiring the most illegal workers by far, leading any other industry in the US., There are 1.88 million farms in the US in 2024, on average, you have 15 people working on a farm, you are talking about close to 30 million farming worker in the US, 40% of those are illegal.


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And you know most farming industry is in red states, right? They are in Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Texas, and Arkansas, and of course, California. And 87% of farmers voted for Trump.......

So how does this work? The worker claims a CA benefit during the night and works in an Iowa wheat field during the day?
 
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