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[Viet]

Don't fret about it. We even build an airport in Sapa, which is just a rural town. Your 70-billion usd HSR can't reach every part of Viet Nam but for the same amount of money they can build an extra 100 domestic airports and thousands km of expressway to reach every corner of the country easily in which we are doing now. Why do you think Viet Nam buy so many commercial jets lately? That's the development policy of Viet Nam, more and more airports, expressways, ports. That North South HSR will see no light of the tunnel no matter how many sweet news you hear about it, you can quote me on this but Viet Nam will be able to produce more military products in the next 20 years than seeing this HSR get constructed..ever.

How many aircraft? Why the Chinese build thousands of thousands of km of HSR? How many aircraft have Germany, France, Spain, Italy? Why they build so many km HSR?
1+1=2, not 3. Do the math. Domestic flights is the worst economic disaster ever.

 

[2ndstrike]

How many aircraft? Why the Chinese build thousands of thousands of km of HSR? How many aircraft have Germany, France, Spain, Italy? Why they build so many km HSR?
1+1=2, not 3. Do the math. Domestic flights is the worst economic disaster ever.

Do you know that Vietjet has placed an order for 200 Beoing jets worth over 32 billion usd? Is that enough of "many" for you? I can't speak for those countries that build HSR, I can only speak for the current development trend of Viet Nam and that is more and more airports..and many many more airports, many more km of expressway and many more ports. I can hop on a plane from Saigon and arrive in Ha Nội in one hour; I'm not interested in spending 6 to 8 hours of total commute time sitting inside the HSR for the same distant. Arriving on total shorter commute time is considered as economic "loss" then so be it.

 

[Viet]

Do you know that Vietjet has placed an order for 200 Beoing jets worth over 32 billion usd? Is that enough of "many" for you? I can't speak for those countries that build HSR, I can only speak for the current development trend of Viet Nam and that is more and more airports..and many many more airports, many more km of expressway and many more ports. I can hop on a plane from Saigon and arrive in Ha Nội in one hour; I'm not interested in spending 6 to 8 hours of total commute time sitting inside the HSR for the same distant. Arriving on total shorter commute time is considered as economic "loss" then so be it.

A direct flight Hanoi to Saigon takes 2h15m. If adding 2h before departure and 2h after landing, you are about 6h. the time you save is not too much.
Jet fuel is very expensive now, probably getting higher in the future.
That’s why it’s much more convenient and cheaper to take a HSR from Frankfurt to Paris.
Vietjet operates a reselling concept. It buys large quantity of aircraft with great discounts and resells them to other airlines.
Nobody will stop you to take a flight. But 90 percent will take a train.
For a country it’s imperative to develop a railway. It brings jobs, income and development.

 

[2ndstrike]

A direct flight Hanoi to Saigon takes 2h15m. If adding 2h before departure and 2h after landing, you are about 6h. the time you save is not too much.
Jet fuel is very expensive now, probably getting higher in the future.
That’s why it’s much more convenient and cheaper to take a HSR from Frankfurt to Paris.
Vietjet operates a reselling concept. It buys large quantity of aircraft with great discounts and resells them to other airlines.
Nobody will stop you to take a flight. But 90 percent will take a train.
For a country it’s imperative to develop a railway. It brings jobs, income and development.

Nobody in the right state of mind would take a HSR from Ha Noi to Sai Gon while they can take a flight. I have taken this route and countless domestic routes, as soon as I landed, it doesn't take me more than 15 minutes to exit the airport. And no, stop making up some figure to suite your agenda. Even a shifty international arrival at LAX doesn't take 2 hours to exit the airport. At most the total commute time for a flight from ha noi to sai gon is 3.5 hours while the shitty HSR will take 8 hours. So you are telling us 90% would take a HSR that take 8 hours vs 3.5 hours of flight total commute time. Damn, you should be an economic adviser to the government of Viet Nam

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Does Vietnam have interest to have an assembly line of the C919 or C929 in the near future?

 

[2ndstrike]

Does Vietnam have interest to have an assembly line of the C919 or C929 in the near future?

Absolutely not. Those are considered as flying coffin for us Vietnamese. The route from Saigon to Condao using comac was canceled due to no one wanted to risk their lives taking that flight

 

[Viet]

Nobody in the right state of mind would take a HSR from Ha Noi to Sai Gon while they can take a flight. I have taken this route and countless domestic routes, as soon as I landed, it doesn't take me more than 15 minutes to exit the airport. And no, stop making up some figure to suite your agenda. Even a shifty international arrival at LAX doesn't take 2 hours to exit the airport. At most the total commute time for a flight from ha noi to sai gon is 3.5 hours while the shitty HSR will take 8 hours. So you are telling us 90% would take a HSR that take 8 hours vs 3.5 hours of flight total commute time. Damn, you should be an economic adviser to the government of Viet Nam

I am not here to stop you taking a flight.

But as it is, the politburo says yes to HSR, so the government, the parliament. All say yes, the decision is made. the companies support the construction, probably 90 percent of the public.

If 10 percent people like you prefer flying, then be it.

 

[2ndstrike]

I am not here to stop you taking a flight.

But as it is, the politburo says yes to HSR, so the government, the parliament, the companies, probably 90 percent of the public.

10 percent people like you prefer flying.

First thing First, the North South HSR has been there forever and it only exist on paper, you can't even find the final master plan showing exactly how many stops along the route something that basic for a project this caliber. Other than the project being mentioned a trillion times by special interest group pushing it to be constructed, do you ever see it get built?

 

[Viet]

First thing First, the North South HSR has been there forever and it only exist on paper, you can't even find the final master plan showing exactly how many stops along the route something that basic for a project this caliber. Other than the project being mentioned a trillion times by special interest group pushing it to be constructed, do you ever see it get built?

I am engineer, not politician. I look at technology, financial, feasibly. Previously the HSR was rejected by the parliament. This time is different. We will see. I recommend you to ignore noises made by random people.

 

[Viet]

Does Vietnam have interest to have an assembly line of the C919 or C929 in the near future?

Yes of course
That will enable Comac to produce more aircraft. The company has difficulty to make aircraft due to different reasons. And one is US sanctions.
I did say that months or years ago.
From the visit of To Lam and other Vietnamese companies to China, it appears to me that in addition to acquiring more aircraft from Comac and opening more flights to China, a production line in Vietnam is under discussion.

VietJet Air to lease up to 10 C909 jets in boost for Chinese aircraft maker

Deal follows talks between Chinese and Vietnamese presidents in Beijing this week.

www.scmp.com

 

[Beijingwalker]

Absolutely not. Those are considered as flying coffin for us Vietnamese. The route from Saigon to Condao using comac was canceled due to no one wanted to risk their lives taking that flight

They have carried millions of passengers without a single glitch since induction, Boeing now is more like a "flying coffin".

 

[ety]

They have carried millions of passengers without a single glitch since induction, Boeing now is more like a "flying coffin".

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Many of them just don't trust China and Chinese no matter what as evident in some recent opinion polls.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Vietnam’s President To Lam just took China’s high-speed train from Beijing to Guangxi on April 16. 2,400+ km in ~10 hours on Fuxing Train

This is his 2nd high-speed rail trip during this China visit.A powerful sign of China-Vietnam cooperation & modern connectivity

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[Viet]

Yeah, there are strong anti-China feeling in the West in many Westerners too, besides China is the West's main adversary if not enemy yet, they do anything to defame China, Chinese and Chinese products for years. But, hey they love to buy Chinese products, that's why these countries have huge trade deficits with China. Even Ford CEO is now driving a Chinese Xiaomi car and he can't get his hands off it. Let's be real, the wealthy US and EU countries are not likely to have Chinese build HSR for them, US has banned it and EU also pretty much the same that they won't accept non-EU HSR tech. EU and now US are the most protectionist blocks. But things are changing now, younger generations in US and Europe are much more friendly and interested in China and Chinese things partly thanks to Tik Tok and China's free Visa policies to many countries, freelance vloggers can freely travel to China and post experiences on youtube and other social platforms and are having huge impacts.

It’s all about perception. Do you know why people value USD the most?
actually it’s just a piece of paper with a number printed on it. Nothing else.

 

[Michael]

Nobody in the right state of mind would take a HSR from Ha Noi to Sai Gon while they can take a flight. I have taken this route and countless domestic routes, as soon as I landed, it doesn't take me more than 15 minutes to exit the airport. And no, stop making up some figure to suite your agenda. Even a shifty international arrival at LAX doesn't take 2 hours to exit the airport. At most the total commute time for a flight from ha noi to sai gon is 3.5 hours while the shitty HSR will take 8 hours. So you are telling us 90% would take a HSR that take 8 hours vs 3.5 hours of flight total commute time. Damn, you should be an economic adviser to the government of Viet Nam

You seem to lack a certain understanding of the real world. Perhaps you could travel to China yourself, take a ride on the High-Speed Rail (HSR), and experience firsthand the differences between it and air travel.

Aircraft serve as a point-to-point mode of transportation. They contribute "zero" value to the intermediate points along a route. If Vietnam consisted of only two cities—Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City—and over 90% of the population resided in those two cities, and furthermore, if the Vietnamese government had no intention of developing other cities, then the civil aviation solution you described would indeed be the optimal choice.

HSR, however, is a mode of transportation of an entirely different nature.

I suggest you first familiarize yourself with the basic operational protocols of civil aviation.

Constructing a civil aviation airport is not particularly difficult. However, maintaining the normal operation of such an airport is an extremely challenging undertaking; it entails a great many highly stringent requirements.

Here is a point of reference for you.

The city where I reside—Mianyang, Sichuan Province—is home to a civil aviation airport.

Mianyang has a permanent population of approximately 7 million and a GDP of around 450 billion RMB. It ranks second within Sichuan Province and places roughly 100th nationwide.

Regarding Mianyang's civil airport: if one were to look solely at its commercial aviation operating figures, it has consistently operated at a 100% net loss. However, the facility itself is a dual-use military-civilian airport, meaning it receives a certain level of financial subsidy from the military. Furthermore, the airport serves as a training base for the Civil Aviation Flight University of China. It is only thanks to these two substantial sources of subsidy that the Mianyang airport is able to barely maintain normal operations.

For the sake of comparison, you might find it useful to benchmark this against other cities in Vietnam (excluding Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City).