Was Apollo 11 landing staged? Rumors about US mission resurface in China

[Han Patriot]

Now let me get this straight...you are saying the quality of the Chinese camera tech used on your "supa-dupa" 2024 Chang’e 6 moon lander

is not as good as the quality of the US camera tech held in the hands of the

Apollo astronauts on the moon back in 1969...55 years ago.


I just want you to say that again...

You didn't know that? Do you know the difference between optical resolution and digital resolution? A manual camera with good optics is actually better than a digital cmos chip camera with so called very high resolution. You can read about this. That's why old Zeiss cameras produce awesome pictures.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You didn't know that? Do you know the difference between optical resolution and digital resolution? A manual camera with good optics is actually better than a digital cmos chip camera with so called very high resolution. You can read about this. That's why old Zeiss cameras produce awesome pictures.

Obviously you are ignorant about how CCD cameras can overcome the dynamic range issues of bright foregrounds causing the sky to appear black.

Please lookup "image stacking" and "HDR imaging". This is something easily done with digital CCD cameras but can't be done by old film cameras. Remember digital cameras are basically computers which have the ability to manipulate every pixel outputted for a picture by changing its settings dynamically in a fraction of a second.

You didn't know that??

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The US will never “go back” to the moon, let alone to build a permanent lunar base.

Starship is just a two-stages rocket that is designed for low orbit payload, while the SLS is rushed with flaw in its design.

For the next 5 years, it gonna be extremely painful for the US to see China gradually conquers the moon.

 

[BP2]

The US will never “go back” to the moon, let alone to build a permanent lunar base.

Maybe, maybe not.... As for me they will go again.

 

[BP2]

For the next 5 years, it gonna be extremely painful for the US to see China gradually conquers the moon.

USA, forever the first on moon.

Who remember the second to climb Himalaya? The second to be under 10 seconds /100 meters etc....

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Starship is just a two-stages rocket that is designed for low orbit payload,

What? No, it isn't. Apparently you have completely missed all the Mars talk by Elon Musk over the years. Yes, most Starships will only be launched to low earth orbit but they will serve as orbital reusable refueling depots for other launched Starships with heavy cargo loads so they can fully top off their fuel tanks before traveling well beyond low earth orbit. The whole purpose of Starship is to get heavy loads out of low Earth orbit.

Official SpaceX animation of Starship's main purpose

SpaceX making progress on Starship in-space refueling technologies

NASA says SpaceX is on track to demonstrate in-space refueling of Starship next year, a critical technology for returning humans to the lunar surface.

spacenews.com

For the next 5 years, it gonna be extremely painful for the US to see China gradually conquers the moon.

It's certainly possible China may get 2 men on the moon before SpaceX does.

However it's going to be extremely painful for China to see us lift 100's of tons into orbit every week when the Starship comes online. We could easily lift all the parts needed to build your spacestation in just a single flight. Now multiply that by multiple flights a day and we are going to be able to sends lots of cargo everywhere in the solar system well before China can.

The Falcon 9 is currently doing 15X you guys:

SpaceX dominating worldwide spacecraft launches by tremendous margin, statistics show

SpaceX has accounted for 43 of the 45 orbital launches thus far this year from Florida's Space Coast — establishing a new record-pace cadence.

www.floridatoday.com

In a related comparison, SpaceX launched spacecraft weighing about 429,125 kilograms during the first quarter, which extended from Jan. 1 to March 31. That dwarfed CASC's 29,426 kilograms and Roscosmos' 23,782 kilograms.

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I don't think you are fully grasping how powerful just the Falcon 9 rocket is in terms of lifting capacity compared to China's workhorse rockets...nevermind how much insanity the Starship will add.

Not long ago Chinese PDF members were applauding how many rockets China was sending into space compared to the US. With the Falcon 9 they have all gone silent...and with the 200 ton capacity Starship the silence will go to complete fear as the US military starts putting up crazy sized satellites.

while the SLS is rushed with flaw in its design.

China is also going the wrong way. Without an immediate concrete plan for refueling large ships in orbit to bring heavy cargo to the moon China is doomed to be second.

 

[F-22Raptor]

The US will never “go back” to the moon, let alone to build a permanent lunar base.

Starship is just a two-stages rocket that is designed for low orbit payload, while the SLS is rushed with flaw in its design.

For the next 5 years, it gonna be extremely painful for the US to see China gradually conquers the moon.

Yep this is pure copium, SpaceX/NASA have left China in the dust. I remember on Starship Flight 1, Chinese were claiming it failed and would never work. Chinese were nowhere to be found during Flight 4

 

[F-22Raptor]

What? No, it isn't. Apparently you have completely missed all the Mars talk by Elon Musk over the years. Yes, most Starships will only be launched to low earth orbit but they will serve as orbital reusable refueling tanks to take other Starships with heavy loads well beyond low earth orbit. The whole purpose of Starship is to get heavy loads out of low Earth orbit.

Official SpaceX animation of Starship's main purpose

SpaceX making progress on Starship in-space refueling technologies

NASA says SpaceX is on track to demonstrate in-space refueling of Starship next year, a critical technology for returning humans to the lunar surface.

spacenews.com

It's certainly possible China may get 2 men on the moon before SpaceX does.

However it's going to be extremely painful for China to see us lift 100's of tons into orbit every week when the Starship comes online. We could easily lift all the parts needed to build your spacestation in just a single flight. Now multiply that by multiple flights a day and we are going to be able to sends lots of cargo everywhere in the solar system well before China can.

The Falcon 9 is currently doing 15X you guys:

SpaceX dominating worldwide spacecraft launches by tremendous margin, statistics show

SpaceX has accounted for 43 of the 45 orbital launches thus far this year from Florida's Space Coast — establishing a new record-pace cadence.

www.floridatoday.com

​

I don't think you are fully grasping how powerful just the Falcon 9 rocket is in terms of lifting capacity compared to China's workhorse rockets...nevermind how much insanity the Starship will add.

Not long ago Chinese PDF members were applauding how many rockets China was sending into space compared to the US. With the Falcon 9 they have all gone silent...and with the 200 ton capacity Starship the silence will go to complete fear as the US military starts putting up crazy sized satellites.

His prediction will go about as well as past Chinese predictions that Falcon 9 and Starship would be failures.

He’ll be nowhere to be found when Starship lands humans on the Moon within the next five years.

 

[MH.Yang]

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/afcl/afcl-apollo-rumor-06212024025202.html

The rumors began to circulate online after the successful launch of China’s Chang’e 6 unmanned space probe.

In the wake of the successful launch of China’s Chang’e 6 unmanned space probe on May 3, a new wave of rumors questioning the credibility of the U.S. Apollo manned lunar landings has swept Chinese social media.

Conspiracy theories about the Apollo moon missions have persisted since the late 1960s, and Chinese social media users in 2024 are the latest skeptics to spread them.

Below, AFCL debunks five of the most widespread rumors that have emerged since the launch of Chang’e 6.

Did Chang’e chief architect hint that the Apollo landing was staged?

Chang’e 6 chief architect Pei Zhaoyu was invited to be a guest analyst onto a special program aired by China’s state-run broadcaster CCTV on May 3, 2024.

At the one-hour and 40-minute mark of the program, Pei can be heard saying: “[it] had not found the Apollo basin.”

Apollo’s basin is a large crater near the southern pole on the far side of the moon that was discovered during the space age and later named in honor of the Apollo missions. Pei’s remark was later misinterpreted by Chinese online users as Pei challenging the veracity of the Apollo moon landings by stating that Chang’e 6 had not found any trace of the original Apollo 11 spacecraft in the basin.

Chinese netizens misconstrued a statement from Chang’e chief architect to mean that the U.S. lunar landing was staged. (Screenshot/Weibo)


But the claim is false. The original context of Pei’s statement makes clear that he is responding to a question about the position on the moon’s surface where Chang’e 6 would land.

Furthermore, it was never intended that Chang’e 6 would land in the Apollo basin. Pei states at around the 24-minute and five-second mark into the program that Chang’e 6 would land near the Aitken basin on the the far side of the moon’s south pole, far away from the Apollo basin on the moon’s northern half.

Did U.S. astronauts admit that the landing was a hoax?

Online users on the Weibo social media platform said that the Apollo 11 landing had never happened, citing a remark by crew member Buzz Aldrin During an interview: “Because we didn’t go there.”

Weibo netizens claim that a video shows astronaut Buzz Aldrin admitting the lunar landings never took place. In reality, Aldrin was saying that no missions to the moon have taken place since 1972. (Screenshot/Weibo)


But Aldrin was responding to questions about why no manned missions to the moon has occurred since 1972.

But a closer look at the interview shows that Aldrin was in fact saying that no manned mission had gone to the moon since 1972, not that the original Apollo missions had never visited the moon.

A similar claim was previously debunked by a fact-check organization Snopes.

Did a White House spokesperson say that the U.S. and China visited different moons?

A claim emerged in Chinese-language social media posts that White House spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre stated that the U.S. and China landed on two “different moons.” Those posts included a photo of her.

Netizens claimed that White House spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre said the U.S. and China landed on two “different moons.” (Screenshots/ X and Tiktok)

But keyword searches found no credible reports to back the claim.

Reverse image searches of the photo shared in the posts show that it was in fact taken by Reuters at a White House press conference on November 18, 2022, has nothing to do with the claim.

Photos of Karine accompanying the claims were lifted from a 2022 press briefing. (Screenshots/ Reuters and X)

Did the U.S. send fake lunar rocks to the Netherlands?

Several users of the Douyin social media platform claimed that the U.S. sent fake lunar rocks to the Netherlands, and that this was evidence that the moon landing was staged.

Several netizens on Douyin suspicious of the moon landings claimed that the U.S. sent fake lunar rocks to Holland. (Screenshot / Douyin)


The claim is partly false. The U.S. did send some fake lunar rocks to the Netherlands, but it does not show that the lunar landing was staged.

In August 2009, reports surfaced that a lunar rock on display at the Dutch national museum in Amsterdam was, in fact, an ancient piece of petrified wood. These reports have since been confirmed as true.

The museum acquired the object in 1988, allegedly brought back by the crew of Apollo 11 following the first moon mission in 1969 and gifted to the Netherlands later that year.

While the American broadcaster NBC reported that the U.S. Embassy in the Netherlands was investigating the matter, no information on any follow-up investigations has been found.

Thousands of undisputed samples of lunar rocks were collected by the six Apollo manned missions, many of which were later sent as gifts and are now on display in various countries, including China.

Have all of NASA’s records concerning the Apollo 11 mission been lost?

Some Weibo users claimed that all of NASA’s official documentation about the Apollo 11 mission had been lost, inferring that the disappearance of the information was a sign that the lunar landing had been staged.

Netizens claimed that all official information about the lunar missions had been lost. (Screenshot / Weibo)


But this claim is false. NASA’s official website contains both a general overview of the program as well as detailed information about the launch and subsequent activities of the lunar module.

In addition, for the 50th anniversary of the moon landing, NASA engineer Ben Feist collected images and audio from the Apollo 11 mission, and created a website so that the public could experience the moon landing process at that time.

This public information has been supplemented by images and audio collected by NASA engineer Ben Feist and uploaded on a separate website.

No, few Chinese living in China doubt the authenticity of the Apollo moon landings. But many of those Chinese living in the US doubt the authenticity of the Apollo moon landings.

In fact, far more Americans than Chinese doubt the authenticity of the Apollo moon landings.

The prevailing view among the Chinese is that it does not matter whether the Apollo landings were real or not, but whether the United States now has the capability to land on the moon.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Yep this is pure copium, SpaceX/NASA have left China in the dust. I remember on Starship Flight 1, Chinese were claiming it failed and would never work. Chinese were nowhere to be found during Flight 4

Chinese PDF members also called the first flight of the Falcon Heavy a failure because the 3rd booster didn't land successfully on the barge.

Meanwhile 10 years after the first Falcon 9 landing after a succesful satellite launch the Chinese have yet to land one.

BTW how many have we landed? It's over 300 I believe. That's a lot of money and engines saved.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The prevailing view among the Chinese is that it does not matter whether the Apollo landings were real or not, but whether the United States now has the capability to land on the moon.

Well that's interesting considering China still hasn't shown the capability of sending men into space on an indigenous spacecraft yet (nevermind to the moon). You've been using a modified Russian Soyuz with crude Russian button sticks for over 20 years...which is baffling considering how much tech has advanced in the microchip age.

Chinese astronaut being trained to use button sticks on their "modernized" Soyuz.

US investment into 21st Century "modern"

Astronaut training on SpaceX Dragon touchscreens


Yes, you may beat us back to the moon...but you'll take the quickest and shortest route possible compared to how we are going to do it this time around.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yep this is pure copium, SpaceX/NASA have left China in the dust. I remember on Starship Flight 1, Chinese were claiming it failed and would never work. Chinese were nowhere to be found during Flight 4

The Starship is still an empty rocket that can barely reach the low orbital speed.

The two Long March 10 lunar mission will be proven to be a much more concise solution, and will put China ahead to occupy the most important area of the moon with rich water & mineral.

China by the far the stronger capability to pull out large amount of infrastructure that is the absolute necessity to build a permanent lunar base.

China is also the pioneer of the nuclear fusion drive which which will be the essential space vehicle to colonize the entire solar system, not a chemical rocket on steroid like Starship.

World's First Fully High Temperature Superconducting Tokamak is China's HH70 | NextBigFuture.com

China has created the HH70 device, the world's first fully high-temperature superconducting tokamak device, named HH70, in its eastern Municipality of Shanghai.

www.nextbigfuture.com

 

[F-22Raptor]

The Starship is still an empty rocket that can barely reach the low orbital speed.

The two Long March 10 lunar mission will be proven to be a much more concise solution, and will put China ahead to occupy the most important area of the moon with rich water & mineral.

China by the far the stronger capability to pull out large amount of infrastructure that is the absolute necessity to build a permanent lunar base.

China is also the pioneer of the nuclear fusion drive which which will be the essential space vehicle to colonize the entire solar system, not a chemical rocket on steroid like Starship.

World's First Fully High Temperature Superconducting Tokamak is China's HH70 | NextBigFuture.com

China has created the HH70 device, the world's first fully high-temperature superconducting tokamak device, named HH70, in its eastern Municipality of Shanghai.

www.nextbigfuture.com

SpaceX has a real product, and both Starship and Super Heavy are proven to be reusable.

China has proven nothing, and is essentially vaporware today.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What? No, it isn't. Apparently you have completely missed all the Mars talk by Elon Musk over the years. Yes, most Starships will only be launched to low earth orbit but they will serve as orbital reusable refueling depots for other launched Starships with heavy cargo loads so they can fully top off their fuel tanks before traveling well beyond low earth orbit. The whole purpose of Starship is to get heavy loads out of low Earth orbit.

Official SpaceX animation of Starship's main purpose

SpaceX making progress on Starship in-space refueling technologies

NASA says SpaceX is on track to demonstrate in-space refueling of Starship next year, a critical technology for returning humans to the lunar surface.

spacenews.com

It's certainly possible China may get 2 men on the moon before SpaceX does.

However it's going to be extremely painful for China to see us lift 100's of tons into orbit every week when the Starship comes online. We could easily lift all the parts needed to build your spacestation in just a single flight. Now multiply that by multiple flights a day and we are going to be able to sends lots of cargo everywhere in the solar system well before China can.

The Falcon 9 is currently doing 15X you guys:

SpaceX dominating worldwide spacecraft launches by tremendous margin, statistics show

SpaceX has accounted for 43 of the 45 orbital launches thus far this year from Florida's Space Coast — establishing a new record-pace cadence.

www.floridatoday.com

​

I don't think you are fully grasping how powerful just the Falcon 9 rocket is in terms of lifting capacity compared to China's workhorse rockets...nevermind how much insanity the Starship will add.

Not long ago Chinese PDF members were applauding how many rockets China was sending into space compared to the US. With the Falcon 9 they have all gone silent...and with the 200 ton capacity Starship the silence will go to complete fear as the US military starts putting up crazy sized satellites.


China is also going the wrong way. Without an immediate concrete plan for refueling large ships in orbit to bring heavy cargo to the moon China is doomed to be second.

The year of 2030 is very near, and we will quickly find out who will become the space champion for the mankind.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The Starship is still an empty rocket that can barely reach the low orbital speed.

But if you are going to use that perspective your Long March 10 is complete vaporware since it hasn't even been put on a pad yet ...nevermind launched.

By calling the current Starship empty how can you be claiming you are in better shape??