Whatever

Joe is a balanced moderator in my opinion although he sometimes gets into the 'grumpy old man' mode with some people, LOL.

Sorry @Joe Shearer
I AM a grumpy old man. :devilish:

@Baali Jutt is cross because I deleted one of his posts, and he has NEVER forgotten about it, goes on and on and ON in the Discord thingy whinging about it, so whenever I feel extra grumpy, I take a look at those, grin and get back to things feeling lighter. If I'm annoying those people, I must be doing something right.
 
Hey @Persian Gulf it must have felt so good to start deleting my posts. Congratulations! You win. I will not post here again.

And so begins the march to being an echo chamber again. But thanks for the laugh about Itan being the center of the world.

@Waz @Mr X please note that I wish you well even if you don’t see me here again.
VCheng you took a decision, it was your call in the end. I respect it.

i don’t know which post is deleted but don’t worry about it, you know that we try our best not to delete posts of TTs so I would be very interested to read quality posts from you in the near future. You are aware about my idea of Protected Users so mods won’t be able to take much action against TTs anyway.

Think about my other proposals and message me if you find anything interested

Salaam and Good night
 
VCheng you took a decision, it was your call in the end. I respect it.

i don’t know which post is deleted but don’t worry about it, you know that we try our best not to delete posts of TTs so I would be very interested to read quality posts from you in the near future. You are aware about my idea of Protected Users so mods won’t be able to take much action against TTs anyway.

Think about my other proposals and message me if you find anything interested

Salaam and Good night

Thank you for respecting my decision. It was mine and mine alone, just so that everyone is clear. In return, as I have mentioned for over a decade, I remain respectful of the the management's right to run their forum as they see fit.

I can only note that the inherent hypocrisy of expecting moderators to enforce rules fairly and equally for everyone without exceptions, as claimed, while creating exemptions such as protected, or sheltered, users or indeed even whole subfora pandering to certain recognizable agendas, is something that remains beyond my capacity to accept, with my apologies. Obviously, all my former team members are comfortable with this approach, so I cannot do much in this regards as the lone minority of one.

Please note that the above is not meant to be disrespectful in any way, but only as an indication of my personal limitations. Nothing else.

I can only participate as much or as little as the alignment between my own principles and the goals of the forum will allow me. Only that level of participation is within my purview, and not much else.

Of course, all others members can decide the same for themselves, as is their right.

The end result, of course, will be a forum, exactly as management actually intend it to be, and nothing more or less than that. As always, actions, not words, matter in the end. Always.

I wish management every success in achieving their goals. Now, let me go and find some more nice photos to share ... ... :D
 
Thank you for respecting my decision. It was mine and mine alone, just so that everyone is clear. In return, as I have mentioned for over a decade, I remain respectful of the the management's right to run their forum as they see fit.

I can only note that the inherent hypocrisy of expecting moderators to enforce rules fairly and equally for everyone without exceptions, as claimed, while creating exemptions such as protected, or sheltered, users or indeed even whole subfora pandering to certain recognizable agendas, is something that remains beyond my capacity to accept, with my apologies. Obviously, all my former team members are comfortable with this approach, so I cannot do much in this regards as the lone minority of one.

Please note that the above is not meant to be disrespectful in any way, but only as an indication of my personal limitations. Nothing else.

I can only participate as much or as little as the alignment between my own principles and the goals of the forum will allow me. Only that level of participation is within my purview, and not much else.

Of course, all others members can decide the same for themselves, as is their right.

The end result, of course, will be a forum, exactly as management actually intend it to be, and nothing more or less than that. As always, actions, not words, matter in the end. Always.

I wish management every success in achieving their goals. Now, let me go and find some more nice photos to share ... ... :D
Bro I have no plans to argue. You have a right to your opinion but it is you who kept taking the discussion beyond the private chat. Matters should only be discussed in privacy.

Also the idea of creating a protected users hasn’t even seen the light of the day yet. Nobody knows about it as the suggestions process was ongoing by the time you left. I agree with your statements but sometime the statements are not truly reflecting the actions. We are here to rectify these actions and encourage our team to align with the policy. I do admit we do not have the perfect setup yet as we haven’t really started the full implementation of policies yet as some rules are half-done so far and needs more work to implement final phase but you were always in rush to make decisions and I cannot force people to make decisions. I will not be able to reply in public beyond this post so…

Thanks bro I will see you around
 
Bro I have no plans to argue. You have a right to your opinion but it is you who kept taking the discussion beyond the private chat. Matters should only be discussed in privacy.

Also the idea of creating a protected users hasn’t even seen the light of the day yet. Nobody knows about it as the suggestions process was ongoing by the time you left. I agree with your statements but sometime the statements are not truly reflecting the actions. We are here to rectify these actions and encourage our team to align with the policy. I do admit we do not have the perfect setup yet as we haven’t really started the full implementation of policies yet as some rules are half-done so far and needs more work to implement final phase but you were always in rush to make decisions and I cannot force people to make decisions. I will not be able to reply in public beyond this post so…

Thanks bro I will see you around

We are not arguing at all. Some important discussions are not easy, but must be carried out with decorum and honesty by all sides. I have many, many faults of my own, to be sure, but hypocrisy or dishonesty are not among them. I fully respect the right of management to conduct their decision making processes in private. I am thankful for the opportunity to at be able to share my thoughts in public. If anyone needs any reassurance about the freedom of expression on PDF, here is the proof.

I fully intend to do my part in ensuring the success of this forum whether anyone likes it or not, to the best of my ability. Failure is not an option.

Remember, if anything is worth doing, it is worth doing as well as possible. Not what is convenient, because doing the right thing is never a popularity contest. But it has its own rewards.

For many here who love to compare to put down USA as a matter of habit, bias or agenda, please know that the only significant difference between Pakistan and USA is the rule of law. Establish that, and everything else falls into place. Everything. It is very hard to start the process, but it gets easier and easier with every step taken in the right direction. Someone had to take those first baby steps here on this phoenix of the previous forum.

That is all that I did, and therefore guilty of everything that you charge. And proud of it.
 
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@-=virus=- @Sharma Ji bsdk kidhar hai.

Mayavi raakshas, baahar nikal

There can be only one King of Kishkindha

Dusht, Daitya, Daanav, Asur, Chandaal
 
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Anyone knows what El Sidd is on this forum?
 
@Mr X @VCheng @RescueRanger
So who will be the PM? should we make a thread on predictio.? I think >50% it will be SS and Zardari being president.
I know election day dynamics are different but the establishment hasn't invested so much into it to lose on the 8th. Let's see.
 
@Mr X @VCheng @RescueRanger
So who will be the PM? should we make a thread on predictio.? I think >50% it will be SS and Zardari being president.
I know election day dynamics are different but the establishment hasn't invested so much into it to lose on the 8th. Let's see.

Great question, but sadly above my current and future pay grade buddy. :D
 
@Mr X @VCheng @RescueRanger
So who will be the PM? should we make a thread on predictio.? I think >50% it will be SS and Zardari being president.
I know election day dynamics are different but the establishment hasn't invested so much into it to lose on the 8th. Let's see.
Nawaz Sharif the PM

Alvi the President until further notice.

All depends if the establishment wants to give 67% seats to PML-N or 54%
 
Nawaz Sharif the PM

Alvi the President until further notice.

All depends if the establishment wants to give 67% seats to PML-N or 54%
realistic. Just that NS may/may not extend Asim's tenure. Asim must be calculating that. Also, Nadeem would not like that so he won't let SS be the PM. He may prefer NS or PPP.
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Nawaz Sharif the PM

Alvi the President until further notice.

All depends if the establishment wants to give 67% seats to PML-N or 54%

Or the caretaker setup continues for a while if there is too much of a ruckus.
 

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