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MastanKhan said:
Oh wow---. What respect.

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just dropping their kids off to school ?

what's the big deal ?
 
Baali Jutt said:
I don't think you guys realize the power of social media. If you don't respond in a way that's fitting, there's a whole generation of Muslim youth, especially Pakistani ones, who'll grow up with a sense of inferiority vis-à-vis their religion, culture, values, history, and anything that makes a man's identity.

Maybe you can have a safe space rule for this forum, okay, that's on admins, who are we to argue. But in general, outside of this community, I feel like we should respond just as aggressively instead of putting up a nice guy facade. If not, then over time, we'll lose the narrative, and only one side will put out their narrative to influence the minds of our youth.
If they aren't already
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So far the fitting aspect has already lost you the narrative. Islam did not grow from “fitting” responses. It grew first from character - then calculus and then response based upon scenario.

I realize the power of social media very well - which is why the extreme left resorts to cancel culture to get its way while the extreme right to fear and loathing.

Using Islam for those tactics doesn’t work -
Even during the prophet’s(S.A.W) life - he was very calculated on who needs to be given a response and where aimless belligerent rhetoric like the one you are promoting for social media to the so called uninformed youth leads to further alienation rather than the foolish pan islamic delusions.

The prophet permitted the removal of a popular poet because his eloquent prose against him was taking root - but ignored many others who were as brash and aimless in speech as many of these so called “fitting responses” …

Hazrat Abu Bakr led campaigns against false prophets that came up to quell the shock of the prophet's(S.A.W) passing especially those that were really close to the message with some changes, yet let others be once they promised not to make any further noise.

Social media narratives or rather minds enmasse aren’t changed by talking to pie in the sky romanticism on historic Islamic conquests and dubious predictions of its resurgence, coupled with internet Jihadi ideas against the west like a stuck tape record, all the while hypocritically sitting in the west and taking advantage of its society.

They are changed by applying the right message and incentive where it matters - a key example is how Islam spread in India regardless of all this “everyone was forced conversions” tripe the Bhakotras spread everywhere. It was led by preachers who studied local culture and adapted their style to bring in converts from what was a colorful local religion /culture but with glaring caste and other social discrimination practices to something that provided the safety and equality they yearned for while weaning them slowly off their colorful rituals(unfortunately - that task was left off halfway as can be witnessed in some practices in the subcontinent).

The same way, social media isnt one audience and while people yearn for their respective resonating mediums, but instead of it are creating extremist camps from which neither the actual teachings of Islam will survive nor the character that its espoused which inspired people from all walks of society to respect the messenger even when they disagreed with him.

As for safe space - yes, the audience here is of a particular type and we aim to keep it that way while trying to provide guidance and better character to those that don’t have it - and unfortunately sometimes we have to bend to offer opportunities to engage with people whom we don’t agree with… but if there is no dialogue, there is no conversation, no changing of minds..

So the “social media Jihadis” can keep fighting their proverbial Badr’s and so on - but they can forget about EVER gathering the army that descended on Makkah and conquered without much bloodshed.
 
Oscar said:
So the “social media Jihadis” can keep fighting their proverbial Badr’s and so on - but they can forget about EVER gathering the army that descended on Makkah and conquered without much bloodshed.
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Any day now, you know. Any. Day. Now. May be next Tuesday. :D
 
Baali Jutt said:
Never kept a mustache in my life, but now I did, and my confidence level is going through the roof. I don't know, man, it's such a personality booster for me. A mustache and a chain of Imam Ali's sword gifted to me—I feel like a G straight out of a Shaan Shahid movie.
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what I feel like
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@pwfi @Great Janjua haha
Edit- dude.... Mentee didn't join this new forum 😭😢
 
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MastanKhan said:
Oh wow---. What respect.

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I saw it all the time when I lived for while in Malaysia. This along with hijab modesty went long way in my father increasing his respect for Muslims....he lived and worked in Malaysia for longer time than I did. Singapore I saw it too, but lot less frequently overall as far less Malays etc.

One time I remember very old Malay muslim gentleman near fell over on bus (as it suddenly started etc before he could get to a seat) we were taking crossing into Malaysia from Singapore and my dad stopped him from falling, and rendered all aid and helped get him to a seat etc. The old man was profusely thankful for a good 5 minutes, thanking my dad again and again holding his hand etc.... and clearly very religiously observant fellow (the muslim cap, beard etc)....I was watching my father from a distance sitting further back in bus....I still remember this interaction.....though my father (who has always been far more religious than me, and becoming more so lately) has long forgotten it.

There is a conservative bastion of respect in all cultures. I hope it always stays strong.

@Indos
 
Oscar said:
Hope springs eternal - intelligence however is another matter altogether
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And then we come to the old adage about survival of the fittest. Pakistan, its people and the 21st century? I would have concerns, but that is just me. But hope is good. Of course.
 
Baali Jutt said:
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you look just like my friend, Puttaswamy Muttalingu Balakrishnan Iyer

really he is having the high intelligence

daily yeating the sambhar
 
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Sharma Ji said:
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Always follow the three-finger/one-thumb, only fingertip rule. This just gives off the wrong impression to people who are not into eating with their hands.
Personally, I always eat rice with my hands as I don't like the sticky feeling, but it still shouldn't be this disgusting even if you are eating with your hands.
 
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