Whatever

In addition to What he said, is to undermine Chinese influence as well. Breaking Indias and Chinese oil supply in one shot. Pakistan, either will be rooted out or Pakistan or Pakistan will be kept in current conditions.

 
RescueRanger said:


LOL.

10/10 trolling.
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A true story once took place in China.

A thief broke into a home to commit theft. While searching for valuables, he discovered a bag of heroin. He immediately dialed "110"—the emergency police number in China—to confess to his burglary and report the presence of the drugs.

Subsequently, the homeowner was arrested on drug-related charges. The thief received a reward of 5,000 RMB for reporting the drugs. As for the burglary, because he had voluntarily aborted the act and turned himself in, the police issued a verbal warning and released him.

In another similar case, a thief discovered a massive sum of cash inside an ordinary home and reported it to the police. As it turned out, the homeowner was a major corrupt official.
 
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They are oppressed from voicing their political dissent for sure but how does that preclude the armed forces from defending their nation and waging jihad in defense of it? Just because you don't like the CoAS, the entire army is now afoul of Quranic injunctions? When was the last time the Armed Forces did not show up to carry out their national duty?

Second, the oppression that is being talked about in Quran is of an entirely different type. They want the political oppression to be over? Then they should accept the sitting government and stop undermining it and the entire PTI leadership will be set free. We hear complaints about "American conspiracy behind overthrow of IK's government" and then see the PTI base in the US canvassing the same American system, ala Chris Van Hollen et-al, to affect change. What kind of bakvas is this?
I see no black and white here. It is all a bunch of shit that each side flings on the other and that passes for politics in Pakistan and also in the diaspora.

The sitting government is NOT "oppressing" by mass murdering, displacing, destroying men, women, and children on account of political dissent. There is unfairness for sure, but you are applying Quranic injunctions for a system that in itself is abhorrent to the Quran (I.e. our popular democracy).

The problem with your post is that with every issue, you tie it back to your PTI cause. This thread had nothing to do with it. The chap murdered an innocent traffic warden while being intoxicated. We heard that BHC gave 10 yrs RI and you took an issue with that as well. If he had done the usual muk-mukka by cheaply paying blood-money, then too you would have blamed the corrupt system.

While I am always aligned with blaming the sitting establishment/government (for the incarceration of IK, wife, sisters and for not allowing him to meet his sons etc.) and always hope for reconciliation for the good of Pakistan, I also don't see PTI as some knight in shining armor. It isn't and for the sake of Pakistan, specially those sitting outside of Pakistan, should think about other alternative outcomes that bring back stability and peace to Pakistan and us wretched masses.
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I quoted the verse as you stated. Otherwise, I won't as it leads o religious discussion. Also, I shared that for Mods as I consider sometimes they suppress free speech for the voiceless.
1. Any suppression is bad. It doesn't have to be the nth degree only to be called as such. The defence or jihad would not only be bearing arms but supporting it by all means possible. Then be it through the media, the army, the police, etc in any form. If they won't, at least they should know and bear the responsibility later.

2. The Army has failed the nation in its core duties many times (you know). On top, it overstepped its hadood and captured/occupied what was not its, just bcz it has physical power.

3. Nothing is different. It is just a different shade of oppression. It is totally fine if somebody stands against it proportionally.

4. Why should the public accept a government with a stolen mandate?

5. The sitting government is harrasing Pakistanis women and children bcz they have a different opinion. It has killed many in AJK, Islamabad, etc. It tortured many like Zillay Shah, Arshad Sharif, indirectly Ibaad Faooq's son etc. It tried to kill IK, S, Gill, etc. Many died in jail due to poor hygiene. Pick anyone if you don't agree with all, as you stated, "..killing one is as if..".

6. The Quran doesn't abhor democracy. It is for the entire world till the end of time. It just gives fundamental principles which can be implemented in a theocracy, socialism, democracy, monarchy, etc.

7. I didn't bring PTI into that thread. I was just highlighting military hypocrisy. The IHC judge son has killed 2 girls. Why hasn't his son been prosecuted?
 
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