Where is Pakistan headed in the China-Türkiye relationship?

[Panda_Hi]

It is not about calling for break up of china. It is absolutely about how China treats Uyghur Muslims inhumanely.

There are no concentration camps for millions Kurds. Nor does anyone treat being Kurdish as mental illness at state level.

If my interpretation is correct, it seems clear that you believe millions of Uyghur Muslims are being held in concentration camps, which is why you made this statement.

◉ Millions of Uyghur Muslims?
◉ Being held in concentration camps?

Since you are making such a claim, I assume you have solid evidence.

Please provide your evidence.

 

[retaxis]

If my interpretation is correct, it seems clear that you believe millions of Uyghur Muslims are being held in concentration camps, which is why you made this statement.

◉ Millions of Uyghur Muslims?
◉ Being held in concentration camps?

Since you are making such a claim, I assume you have solid evidence.

Please provide your evidence.

He has no proof he will quote some western 'article' which makes up numbers with absolutely no verification.

Then the same western article will call Israelis protecting themselves from palestinians by destroying gaza lol

Some people are just brainwashed and you can't help them.

 

[Pioneer]

If my interpretation is correct, it seems clear that you believe millions of Uyghur Muslims are being held in concentration camps, which is why you made this statement.

Since you are making such a claim, I assume you have solid evidence.

Please provide your evidence.

We believe it is inappropriate to ask for evidence from someone who supports bombing Muslims and abandoning Muslims. If he cares about evidence, how can he convince himself to bomb Kurds and abandon Palestine?

 

[retaxis]

The man behind the whole xinjiang genocide hoax is called adrian zenz

• • Data Manipulation & Methodological Claims: Critics, including Chinese state media and independent analysts, accuse Zenz of cherry-picking data, mischaracterizing government poverty-alleviation and public healthcare investments, and making mathematical errors in his calculations regarding intrauterine devices (IUDs) and birth rates. [1, 2, 3]
  • Ideological Background: Detractors and Chinese government spokespersons frequently highlight Zenz's identity as a conservative Christian fundamentalist—holding a theological background and writing on millennial theology—arguing that his research is driven by ideological bias rather than objective academic standards. [1]
  • Funding & Institutional Ties: Critics point out that Zenz's research has been published or promoted by Washington-based, anti-China or conservative-linked organizations like the Jamestown Foundation and the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, and that his figures rely heavily on reports from exile media groups (such as Istiqlal TV) and U.S.-funded outlets (like Radio Free Asia). [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Impact on U.S. Policy and Counter-Sanctions: Zenz's reports formed a primary empirical basis for the U.S. State Department's determination that China was committing a "genocide" and "crimes against humanity" in Xinjiang. In retaliation, Beijing placed official sanctions on Zenz in March 2021, and multiple Xinjiang-based companies subsequently filed civil lawsuits against him seeking financial compensation and public apologies for economic losses caused by Western sanctions. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Defense of Findings: Zenz and his supporters maintain that his work is rigorously grounded in official Chinese government documents, police files, statistical yearbooks, and leaked directives (such as the Xinjiang Police Files), arguing that Beijing's attacks are coordinated retaliation to discredit well-documented atrocities. [1, 2]

Basically he is funded by CIA to create hoax numbers to discredit China as part of evangelical zionist propaganda

 

[King Vahram]

No, relations between China and Turkey are neither good nor bad; at best, they are complex. Both countries engage in robust trade and investment. The only negative undercurrent is the issue of the Turks, something Erdogan likes to talk about.

Uyghur Muslims in China's Xinjiang region are a Turkic-speaking ethnic group with cultural and historical ties to Turkey and Central Asia.

Xinjiang is a point of tension between China and Turkey over Uyghur rights, but Turks also have strong sense of nationalism which can turn into claim over the region.

 

[Corax]

What has a defence forum got to do with "social media fights"?

I can bet without googling that both of these countries have much larger trade volume with each other then either of them have with Pakistan. In case their relations get so bad towards diplomatic cutoff or conflict like situation then Pakistan should really concern and put all diplomatic weight to bring normalcy, until then it is better to keep this fight contained within social media.

@Musings I think OP has gotten his answer from fellow Pakistanis and this thread has run its course. Thank you.

Are you serious? Have you seen some of the asinine topics discussed in threads on this forum?! It has very little to do with defence most of the time.

 

[Pioneer]

Uyghur Muslims in China's Xinjiang region are a Turkic-speaking ethnic group with cultural and historical ties to Turkey and Central Asia.

Xinjiang is a point of tension between China and Turkey over Uyghur rights, but Turks also have strong sense of nationalism which can turn into claim over the region.

Actually. Only Türkiye is putting on a self-performance. China mostly doesn't participate. We're not even involved in the Kurdish performance. So please don't say "we and Türkiye are jointly creating tensions"... Damn it. Logically speaking, the Kurds also belong to the Turkic language family.

 

[Master Chief]

Genocide lol....

Sadly a lot of Indian propaganda farms generate "western news" these days. It is difficult to overcome because they are a population that is English speaking, 1.5 billion strong, and otherwise unemployed.

 

[GoatsMilk]

You don't need to add another layer in Chinese paranoia... it's irritating for Pakistan to juggle between you two.

Obviously no one is asking you, nor expecting you at a state level to do anything. But if that seems irritating can you imagine what it must be like for the Turks to deal with the Indians at state and global level to the benefit of the Pakistanis?

 

[GoatsMilk]

Actually. Only Türkiye is putting on a self-performance. China mostly doesn't participate. We're not even involved in the Kurdish performance. So please don't say "we and Türkiye are jointly creating tensions"... Damn it. Logically speaking, the Kurds also belong to the Turkic language family.

This thread exists because the chinese started it and then proceeded to run their little mouths towards Turks for several pages. Had the chinese not made insults, including posts getting excited at the idea of zionists attacking Turkiye, then i doubt i would have entered it to expose the Uygur genocide as the source of this chinese communist hatred.

And comparing the Uygur genocide to the Kurds in Turkiye is isreali levels of delusion.

 

[Pioneer]

Obviously no one is asking you, nor expecting you at a state level to do anything. But if that seems irritating can you imagine what it must be like for the Turks to deal with the Indians at state and global level to the benefit of the Pakistanis?

I can't imagine when Türkiye bravely defends Palestinian Muslims and when it shows more tolerance towards Kurdish Muslims. The whole world respects Türkiye! ... But you don't. Isn't it?

 

[Pioneer]

This thread exists because the chinese started it and then proceeded to run their little mouths towards Turks for several pages. Had the chinese not made insults, including posts getting excited at the idea of zionists attacking Turkiye, then i doubt i would have entered it to expose the Uygur genocide as the source of this chinese communist hatred.

And comparing the Uygur genocide to the Kurds in Turkiye is isreali levels of delusion.

Bro. Everyone knows that Türkiye started the provocation. Türkiye initiated the fight. Türkiye produced fake textbooks...

If you want to see the real difference between the lives of Kurds and Uyghurs, I'm more than happy to show you.

Bombing and genociding Kurds. Invading other Muslim countries. Then talking about Uyghurs. Oh. No wonder you don't have the courage to confront Israel. After all, you serve the Jewish community.

 

[Pioneer]

I want to know. If the Kurds seek asylum in Pakistan and Bangladesh, will the cowards of West Asia invade the Muslim brotherhood countries they speak of, just like Iraq?

 

[GoatsMilk]

I think this thread has been good for the common Muslim to see.

truthfully it would have been ideal if their most hostile posts had stayed up like the one rejoicing at the idea of zionists attacking Muslim Turkiye.

 

[sutton9999]

I think this thread has been good for the common Muslim to see.

truthfully it would have been ideal if their most hostile posts had stayed up like the one rejoicing at the idea of zionists attacking Muslim Turkiye.

why not, both are evil nation.