Why are Arab armed forces so ineffective?

[ziaulislam]

Arabs were warrior who entered Iran in the east and Spain in the west ( from 750 to 1250s )

Great warrior Turks and our Arab brothers together beat Crusaders


The Abbasid Empire in 850
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The political power of the Arab Caliphs was limited with the rise of the Seljuk - Ottoman TURKS who captured Baghdad , Syria in 945 and 1055 and then Cairo in 1517

after the 10th Century , TURKs dominated the Middle East and N.Africa until ww1



Today all Arab Countries have same problem and this is a very important thing that needs to be fixed

-- Without National Defense Industry
-- Arabs have no real ally ...... ( while Israel-USA-Europe are always allies )
-- Paper tiger Armies at the command of Arab monarchies

Arabs armies protect Arab monarchies ... nothing else
for example S.Arabia which has the most modern weapons but no real military tradition

People in S.Arabia dont know even how to use a Rifle ..
on the other hand even all Israeli Women serving in the military and walking everywhere with their Rifles
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Another for example
Egypt has the most effective and deep-rooted military tradition in the Arab world.

but Egypt bought only monkey model weapons
-- 200 Egyptian F-16s without AIM-120 BVR Missile and without land attack Cruise Missile
-- Egyptian RAFALE Fighter Jets without METEOR BVR Missile

USA-Europe never sell effective weapons to Egypt .....

Israeli Air Force can eat alive the Egyptian Air Force in BVR combat
and Egypt can not develop even BVR air to air Missile

How can Egypt have an effective armed forces in this situation?

It would be one side slaughter
Eygptian army was more equipped in 1970 then they are now, it was en effective surrender just like how Japan surrendered to USA

Surrender for peace and they achieved it. Their govt, their choice

Pakistan can do that, today renounce Kashmir support, (I mean Pakistanis aren't kashmir anyway) accept LOC as boarder open trade and we don't need an army ..

India will even sell us Tejas on line of credit like they want to benagldesh

PS
Kashmir and Palestine aren't comparable one is issue of government and self control, the other a genocide which has almost run its course and will be completed soon
The 40000 number is false I have talked to doctors here who were able to go to some parts as doctor beyond boarders and they think that it's above 100,000 as whole families are missing buried under the ruble. That ruble is now being cleaned and will be dumped into ocean

 

[Justin TruDont]

Oil Rich Arab Sheikhdoms don't really need to fight full scale wars

They can buy all the advance weaponry they want.

This acts as a powerful detterent .

Rest can be achieved by paying off the right people in US and Europe as well as rebel groups fighting their enemies

 

[PakFactor]

Both pakistan and India have professional militaries, let's not bring them in comparison, albeit flawed to some degree

Exactly, they are flawed; hence, being professional or not, they can't attain strategic victory; most of all, both sides have consistently failed to gain a tactical victory in significant battles, diminishing the opponent's ability to wage war, and neither has achieved a decisive victory to move the conflict into a conclusion.

Fighting a war losing men and material, but in the end, going back to the same status quo not once or twice but three times.

 

[PakFactor]

Oil Rich Arab Sheikhdoms don't really need to fight full scale wars

They can buy all the advance weaponry they want.

This acts as a powerful detterent .

Rest can be achieved by paying off the right people in US and Europe as well as rebel groups fighting their enemies

Understanding that peace and security cannot be purchased is crucial. The acquisition of powerful weapons, while a significant factor, does not guarantee a lasting deterrent; the Yemen conflict will haunt the GCC to come as it's done more to expose the uselessness of their militaries with the best equipment money can purchase. The Arabs have all the money they need but haven't been able to buy the US and Europe, while Israel, a nation-state the size of a Petri dish, has more outsized influence. The last group of people the white man will take money and change their policies is Arabs and Asians, who are considered equal to Africans in their eyes. So, your logic is wrong.

Iraq was the 4th largest military force backed by the GCC Arabs in terms of finances and weapons, including the use of chemical weapons supplied by the Americans. It fought to a stalemate against Iran, whose top military brass was executed, and trained pilots were arrested after the Ayatollah revolution. The Iranians had to employ the use of human wave attacks with a simple rifle in hand against the Iraqis. Let that sink in.

 

[Mehmed Bey]

Dear brother mine @mulj

Please keep an eye on him. His location is Britain but claims to be a Bosnian Muslim. He is too interested in touching the religious faultlines among Muslim masses.

That worries me, Brits as a colonial power counts on that. Divide and conquer

Thanks in advance

Hahaha. You actually have an audacity to explain to the Bosnian what other Bosnian is? The usual backbiting? Funny enough, if someone goes through what I have written to your kind, it is obvious that you couldn't answer. So the next best thing is is to make me look suspicious.
Funny the same talk comes from the Wahabites. Hehehe

 

[ziaulislam]

When morsi came into power half of the population hated him and sided with dictatorship rather then accepting the will of the power

End result we are back to square 1
Anyway jf17 or j10 would have helped EAF but it rather spend money on rafale

Understanding that peace and security cannot be purchased is crucial. The acquisition of powerful weapons, while a significant factor, does not guarantee a lasting deterrent; the Yemen conflict will haunt the GCC to come as it's done more to expose the uselessness of their militaries with the best equipment money can purchase. The Arabs have all the money they need but haven't been able to buy the US and Europe, while Israel, a nation-state the size of a Petri dish, has more outsized influence. The last group of people the white man will take money and change their policies is Arabs and Asians, who are considered equal to Africans in their eyes. So, your logic is wrong.

Iraq was the 4th largest military force backed by the GCC Arabs in terms of finances and weapons, including the use of chemical weapons supplied by the Americans. It fought to a stalemate against Iran, whose top military brass was executed, and trained pilots were arrested after the Ayatollah revolution. The Iranians had to employ the use of human wave attacks with a simple rifle in hand against the Iraqis. Let that sink in.

Iraqis lacked an Air Force and came up to face a super power there is difference

Any professional military can be decimated if the odds are so one sided

 

[SaadH]

He also called Imran Khan a Jewish agent......

No he didn't, you either lying or confusing him with Fazlu...

 

[SaadH]

When morsi came into power half of the population hated him and sided with dictatorship rather then accepting the will of the power

End result we are back to square 1
Anyway jf17 or j10 would have helped EAF but it rather spend money on rafale
Iraqis lacked an Air Force and came up to face a super power there is difference

Any professional military can be decimated if the odds are so one sided

Morsi was opposed by Coptics who make up 20% of the population and the powerful liberal/secular degenerate elites including the military hanger-ons

Bassem Yousuf who is going around the world now shedding crocodile tears over Palestinians was one of the leading voices who shaped the narrative against Morsi and MB.

 

[hussain]

No he didn't, you either lying or confusing him with Fazlu...

 

[PakFactor]

When morsi came into power half of the population hated him and sided with dictatorship rather then accepting the will of the power

End result we are back to square 1
Anyway jf17 or j10 would have helped EAF but it rather spend money on rafale
Iraqis lacked an Air Force and came up to face a super power there is difference

Any professional military can be decimated if the odds are so one sided

Bhai sab, that's why I gave the Iran-Iraq War comparison.

 

[SaadH]

Where did he say IK was a yahoodi agent in that video?

 

[hussain]

Where did he say IK was a yahoodi agent in that video?

Do you understand urdu? Seems not, since it is hard to miss what he says at 0.29

 

[PakFactor]

He's saying the Jews integrate and talk about influence, and Goldsmith marrying Khan is one such tactic. But honestly, Ms. Goldsmith has better character and morals than the soor Maryam Nawaz and others like her. Anyone would choose her over wtf we have.

 

[hussain]

He's saying the Jews integrate, and Goldsmith marrying Khan is one such tactic. But honestly, Ms. Goldsmith has better character and morals than the soor Mayum Nawaz. Anyone would choose her over wtf we have as CM.

There are more videos of Dr.Israr on this topic, feel free to search......

I don't agree or disagree with the late Dr.
I only find it funny when PTI supporters selectively quote him, ignoring his very clear stance on IK.

I think this thread has been derailed enough, please point to another thread where we can continue this conv if you like.

 

[SaadH]

Do you understand urdu? Seems not, since it is hard to miss what he says at 0.29

I guess I don't understand urdu but those who do will tell you that Israr Ahmed referred to IK becaming a victim/prey (shikaar) of their conspiracy. At no point did he call him a "yahoodi agent". Stop making crap up and blatantly lying.