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Why Pakistan Can't Tell Its Own Story — Dr. Osama Siddique on Fiction, Power & National Identity

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Podcast with Dr. Osama Siddique — Oxford and Harvard–educated legal scholar, policy expert, academic, and author — on law, literature, and the deeper intellectual challenges facing Pakistan.

In this wide-ranging conversation, Dr. Siddique brings together his experience in law, public policy, and fiction writing to explore how ideas, narratives, and critical thinking shape individuals and societies.

Chapters:
00:00
Introduction
00:47 What Drew You to Fiction
02:43 Fiction as a Medium to Discuss Serious Issues
05:25 Does your Storytelling process start with a purpose first or a story?
07:52 With a younger generation with a limited attention span, are books still a good medium of communication?
12:27 The trend of books in Pakistan
20:25 Why doesn't Pakistan produce any science fiction?
27:00 Pakistani stories are often hijacked and told from a different lens. Why is it so important for us to tell our own stories?
34:20 Can literature or fiction impact public policy?
38:55 Why are Global Networks like PGAN important for Pakistan?
43:03 Can Pakistan Switch Brain Drain to Brain Circulation?
46:20 How impactful can PGAN's mentorship program be for young Pakistanis?
49:03 Do Pakistanis suffer from a confidence problem when competing with the West, and if so, how can we address it?
53:14 How can you help tell PGAN tell its story better in a polarized environment?
55:45 If PGAN is successful in the next 20 years, what kind of impact can it have on Pakistan?

@Fatman17 I removed . from the title as I am not allowed to post this thread otherwise
 
Pakistan does not have any cultural output beyond tiktok reels.

Nothing of recent history and ancient history is documented properly.

You don't even have a movie on the 1965 war.

There should be a movie that weaves a story from IVC and all the way through the epochs so foreigners understand the full picture of what we are.

Not cheesy bollywood nonsense, no need to dance like monkeys every 30 minutes. Just good quality cinema.
 
Pakistan’s adoption of Persian as a national lingua franca would not represent the introduction of a foreign language, but rather the restoration of a civilization that shaped the region for nearly eight centuries. From the Ghaznavids through the Mughals, Persian served as the language of administration, diplomacy, law, literature, scholarship, and the courts across what is now Pakistan. Lahore, Multan, Thatta, Peshawar, and Kashmir all operated within the Persianate world. This tradition ended not through a gradual indigenous linguistic shift, but when the British replaced Persian with English and regional vernaculars in 1837 as part of their colonial administration.

Pakistan today remains deeply Persianate. Urdu contains thousands of Persian loanwords, Pakistan’s classical architecture and literature reflect Persian influence, and Muhammad Iqbal wrote many of his most important philosophical works in Persian because he regarded it as the intellectual language of the Muslim East.

Reviving Persian would reconnect Pakistan with its own historical identity while strengthening ties with Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan. It would also provide direct access to centuries of historical records, legal documents, poetry, philosophy, science, and Islamic scholarship that remain inaccessible to most Pakistanis.

From a religious perspective, Persian occupies a unique place in Islamic civilization. While Arabic remains the language of the Qur’an and the foundation of Islamic worship, Persian became the principal language through which Islamic philosophy, mysticism, ethics, theology, and literature spread across Central Asia and the Indian subcontinent. Many of Islam’s greatest scholars and mystics, including Rumi, Saadi, Hafez, Jami, and Al-Ghazali either wrote in Persian or profoundly influenced the Persian intellectual tradition. For centuries, Persian was taught alongside Arabic in the madrasas of Lahore, Multan, and other centers of learning throughout present-day Pakistan.

Adopting Persian would also represent an opportunity to redefine Pakistan’s geopolitical and civilizational orientation. Since independence, much of Pakistan’s official identity has continued to operate within administrative, linguistic, and educational frameworks inherited from British India. One could argue that these colonial structures reinforced a South Asian identity centered on the institutions created under British rule, rather than reflecting the historical political and cultural networks that connected the territories of present-day Pakistan to the Persianate world.

A revival of Persian could therefore serve as a deliberate effort to reduce Pakistan’s dependence on colonial-era linguistic frameworks and to reorient the country’s intellectual and diplomatic outlook toward the historical Persianate sphere. Supporters of this view might argue that Pakistan’s natural historical connections extend westward through Iran, Afghanistan, and Central Asia as much as they do eastward into the subcontinent.

This is not an argument for rejecting cooperation with South Asian neighbors. Geography ensures that Pakistan will always remain part of South Asia. Rather, it is an argument for reducing the predominance of a colonial-era identity that emphasized the institutions of British India and for reviving a civilizational tradition that long predated British rule. A stronger Persian linguistic foundation could reinforce Pakistan’s distinct historical trajectory while expanding its engagement with the Persian-speaking world and restoring a forgotten aspect of its own heritage.

Pragmatically, such a transition would likely be gradual. Rather than replacing Urdu or English overnight, Persian could first become a compulsory language in schools and universities, particularly in history, diplomacy, Islamic studies, and the humanities. Over time, Pakistan could cultivate a new generation capable of engaging directly with one of the world’s richest intellectual traditions while strengthening diplomatic, economic, and cultural links with the broader Persianate world.
 
Urdu is a blend of foreign languages with Hindi, Farsi having the heaviest influence. We also have so many native ethnic languages. I don't see the point of replacing Urdu with Farsi.

Another issue is that Farsi may indeed have been the lingua franca of the Court and the cultured at one time, but it was never the tongue of the common man in South Asia.

Instead I think Pakistanis should be taught their full history, a rich heritage that goes back thousands of years. Pakistanis are deeply screwed up in their worldviews because the history they are taught starts , strangely, with Mr Muhammad Bin Qasim then jumps to the Delhi Sultanate and Mughals, then the 1857 rebellion and then suddenly 1947 Pakistan.
 
Pakistan’s adoption of Persian as a national lingua franca would not represent the introduction of a foreign language, but rather the restoration of a civilization that shaped the region for nearly eight centuries. From the Ghaznavids through the Mughals, Persian served as the language of administration, diplomacy, law, literature, scholarship, and the courts across what is now Pakistan. Lahore, Multan, Thatta, Peshawar, and Kashmir all operated within the Persianate world. This tradition ended not through a gradual indigenous linguistic shift, but when the British replaced Persian with English and regional vernaculars in 1837 as part of their colonial administration.

Pakistan today remains deeply Persianate. Urdu contains thousands of Persian loanwords, Pakistan’s classical architecture and literature reflect Persian influence, and Muhammad Iqbal wrote many of his most important philosophical works in Persian because he regarded it as the intellectual language of the Muslim East.

Reviving Persian would reconnect Pakistan with its own historical identity while strengthening ties with Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan. It would also provide direct access to centuries of historical records, legal documents, poetry, philosophy, science, and Islamic scholarship that remain inaccessible to most Pakistanis.

From a religious perspective, Persian occupies a unique place in Islamic civilization. While Arabic remains the language of the Qur’an and the foundation of Islamic worship, Persian became the principal language through which Islamic philosophy, mysticism, ethics, theology, and literature spread across Central Asia and the Indian subcontinent. Many of Islam’s greatest scholars and mystics, including Rumi, Saadi, Hafez, Jami, and Al-Ghazali either wrote in Persian or profoundly influenced the Persian intellectual tradition. For centuries, Persian was taught alongside Arabic in the madrasas of Lahore, Multan, and other centers of learning throughout present-day Pakistan.

Adopting Persian would also represent an opportunity to redefine Pakistan’s geopolitical and civilizational orientation. Since independence, much of Pakistan’s official identity has continued to operate within administrative, linguistic, and educational frameworks inherited from British India. One could argue that these colonial structures reinforced a South Asian identity centered on the institutions created under British rule, rather than reflecting the historical political and cultural networks that connected the territories of present-day Pakistan to the Persianate world.

A revival of Persian could therefore serve as a deliberate effort to reduce Pakistan’s dependence on colonial-era linguistic frameworks and to reorient the country’s intellectual and diplomatic outlook toward the historical Persianate sphere. Supporters of this view might argue that Pakistan’s natural historical connections extend westward through Iran, Afghanistan, and Central Asia as much as they do eastward into the subcontinent.

This is not an argument for rejecting cooperation with South Asian neighbors. Geography ensures that Pakistan will always remain part of South Asia. Rather, it is an argument for reducing the predominance of a colonial-era identity that emphasized the institutions of British India and for reviving a civilizational tradition that long predated British rule. A stronger Persian linguistic foundation could reinforce Pakistan’s distinct historical trajectory while expanding its engagement with the Persian-speaking world and restoring a forgotten aspect of its own heritage.

Pragmatically, such a transition would likely be gradual. Rather than replacing Urdu or English overnight, Persian could first become a compulsory language in schools and universities, particularly in history, diplomacy, Islamic studies, and the humanities. Over time, Pakistan could cultivate a new generation capable of engaging directly with one of the world’s richest intellectual traditions while strengthening diplomatic, economic, and cultural links with the broader Persianate world.
Oh paee.......but most of us are local pendu no?

Somebody from Multan, Lahori pendu, Karachi waala sarrak ka jhagrra street specialist, Pashto migrant with no loyalty, Balochi ghareeb tribal loyalist of Lyari, Mirpuri colonial influencer, Die hard Larrkana sindhu-deshi at heart and then us badbakht chocolate chickkunn chaampp fray'd Rice liberals from da big cities? stuffed qeema naan/ chhola paya Nihari/ Boti-Tikka/ Karrahi Gen Z's?

Aaap kar lo baat Iranio say.

See how theys treat you. ;)

Take V-Cheng sahb along wid you, while yous at it.
 
Fully Persianized Urdu to limit the effects of the p3jeet media and the nasty influences it has. They’re very cleverly using Bollywood to undermine the roots of Pakistan resolve.
I want to place a proverbial wall between the paj33ts and us. An unbreakable wall
 
Fully Persianized Urdu to limit the effects of the p3jeet media and the nasty influences it has. They’re very cleverly using Bollywood to undermine the roots of Pakistan resolve.
I want to place a proverbial wall between the paj33ts and us. An unbreakable wall

There is no need of Persianization or Urdu vernacular substitution. Pakistan is a region at the crossroads of many... ancient monasteries... criss-cross of cultures and traditions. It is naturally an extension of Persian world or even avestan/sanskrit... another iteration of Indo-European language tree. Punjab the word itself is intelligible in Persian...
The need of the time is to bring regional languages upto speed and have the native speakers depth, aprised and concurrent to the times. Second, add more languages to the lingua franca roster... Arabic, Persian and Turkish... the three that the region is intertwined with and much of the vernacular is extracted from... to aprise them of the etymology of words... flowering of thought and deeper conversations. Dealing in first hand... instead of the legacy of colonial times that many still twist their jaws to utter gibberish leaving both the speaker and the listener more confused than before it started. There is geographic continuity that reflects in traditions, mannerisms, food and internalized hospitality seeped into the DNA of everone interacting on these ancient routes. Bringing in and reinforcing what we already possess instead of cheap and hollow praise from whom ut means really nothing but a window into another world far away from their own built around mistrust and conceit.
 
Fully Persianized Urdu to limit the effects of the p3jeet media and the nasty influences it has. They’re very cleverly using Bollywood to undermine the roots of Pakistan resolve.
I want to place a proverbial wall between the paj33ts and us. An unbreakable wall
Isn't English a bigger threat than Hindi as far as polluting Urdu is concerned. Vast majority of people do not speak pure Urdu, actually what they speak is a mix of English and Urdu that can be called Erdu.

Newer generation is actually more comfortable in English because of the internet.
 
We are from the subcontinent like it or not. When bhutto came to power the history books were changed - we were desendents of Mohd Bin Qasim. How many of us speak fluent Arabic?
How many of us speak fluent Persian?
Pakistan is a mix of Punjabi - Sindhi - pashtun and Baloch. Persian and turkic and Arabic words make up part of our language which is Urdu - a turkic word meaning army.
There is No Arabic heritage and No Persian heritage and No Turkic heritage to go back to.
 
Languages are adopting English words. Not Farsi or Turkish. English and it's an ongoing phenomenon not limited to the subcon.
 
We are from the subcontinent like it or not. When bhutto came to power the history books were changed - we were desendents of Mohd Bin Qasim. How many of us speak fluent Arabic?
How many of us speak fluent Persian?
Pakistan is a mix of Punjabi - Sindhi - pashtun and Baloch. Persian and turkic and Arabic words make up part of our language which is Urdu - a turkic word meaning army.
There is No Arabic heritage and No Persian heritage and No Turkic heritage to go back to.
No one is claiming a new identity or some faux-history. Persian was the court language of the region and Anglos and their Hindus lapdogs along with Atheistic Muslim elites in cahoots erased that to forcefully align the regions within the Subcontinent. Burma and Sri Lanka were also forced, but they were smart enough to move away. I don't want anything to do with subhumans on the eastern side.
 
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No one is claiming a new identity or some faux-history. Persian was the court language of the region and Anglos and their Hindus lapdogs along with Atheistic Muslim elites in cahoots erased that to forcefully align the regions within the Subcontinent. Burma and Sri Lanka were also forced, but they were smart enough to move away. I don't want anything to do with subhumans on the eastern side and that includes "Punjabis" too.
Kindly edit your post last line. Thanks
 
We are from the subcontinent like it or not. When bhutto came to power the history books were changed - we were desendents of Mohd Bin Qasim. How many of us speak fluent Arabic?
How many of us speak fluent Persian?
Pakistan is a mix of Punjabi - Sindhi - pashtun and Baloch. Persian and turkic and Arabic words make up part of our language which is Urdu - a turkic word meaning army.
There is No Arabic heritage and No Persian heritage and No Turkic heritage to go back to.

Perspective really...

There is case to be made for an inward looking hermit setup or a more outward looking Pakistan. When you haven't ventured or made an empire of your own... the natural instinct is to stay put and that would be the plurality. However, the transition happening right now across the region demands that Pakistanis be more open and perhaps even a net exporter of culture when for eternity been a sponge absorbing all influences.
There is need for greater integration with the region which can only come from a larger population exposed to the three regional languages other than Urdu. English serves only legacy right now... Europe is getting more insulated and Brits after Brexit seek to suffer more... there is no need for a ride along. If Brits were this successful in eliminating a thousand years or Persian influence from South Asia... what does it take to undo that?
There is China to the north and a greater trade and exchange potential...
The education system has failed Pakistanis and those farsighted enough can see the currents... start reorienting now.
 
Perspective really...

There is case to be made for an inward looking hermit setup or a more outward looking Pakistan. When you haven't ventured or made an empire of your own... the natural instinct is to stay put and that would be the plurality. However, the transition happening right now across the region demands that Pakistanis be more open and perhaps even a net exporter of culture when for eternity been a sponge absorbing all influences.
There is need for greater integration with the region which can only come from a larger population exposed to the three regional languages other than Urdu. English serves only legacy right now... Europe is getting more insulated and Brits after Brexit seek to suffer more... there is no need for a ride along. If Brits were this successful in eliminating a thousand years or Persian influence from South Asia... what does it take to undo that?
There is China to the north and a greater trade and exchange potential...
The education system has failed Pakistanis and those farsighted enough can see the currents... start reorienting now.
My point was very simple. We are from the subcontinent. Full stop.
The past is the past cant change that or bring it back. Our priority is not education and culture development - we are a state controlled by the army and the Mullah. The politicians are just "rubber stampers"
 

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