Why Rafales and not Su57 chosen

[harpy1]

Yeah we know

India bullshitted it's way into a corner
Then got humiliated in a conflict with it's neighbour

Then understood it had no path to counter their enemies airforce


So are now paying through the nose to the french to bail them out...



The french will indeed bail you out, but it will be a high cost and considering you could have done this at least two decades ago, you only have yourselves to blame

Your Airforce bases were decimated by french scalps and hammers
And India only had used 14 planes out of 36

Try stopping 175 Rafales not F3 versions
But F4 and F5

You think half baked cheap J35 numbering 30 planes is gonna stop this storm

Good luck

 

[harpy1]

Ordrr for Around 160 Tejas MK1 A is already placed.

I have already explained
Bilal from Pakistan Quwa already explaining
Indian future mix
Is three types only

Su30mki and super Mki heavey
Rafales F3/4/5 medium.
Tejas mark one and Two light

They are just derailing the thread

 

[hussain0216]

Your Airforce bases were decimated by french scalps and hammers
And India only had used 14 planes out of 36

Try stopping 175 Rafales not F3 versions
But F4 and F5

You think half backed cheap J35 numbering 30 planes is gonna stop this storm

Good luck

If your not going to have a serious conversation what's the point?????

If your starting point is, India destroyed Lahore harbour and captured Karachi and destroyed all Pakistani airbases then any further conversation is just retarded


You are asking the french to bail you out
THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING, nothing else


You can't build amca on your own
You need a engin (and you don't have one)
The Russians are technologically falling behind
Su57 isn't good enough
Tejas and AmCa aren't good enough


Your STUCK


So your plan is PAY FRANCE MASSIVE AMOUNTS to save India
Build the engine for AMCA( what India will learn and get we don't know yet, the french are cunning)

Buy Rafael's at high cost

Save the french military industry


All because Indians ego fcuked themselves into a corner

It's either this or NOTHING because AmCa like Tejas will be a failure without french stepping in and taking control

 

[Toxic]

Your Airforce bases were decimated by french scalps and hammers
And India only had used 14 planes out of 36

Try stopping 175 Rafales not F3 versions
But F4 and F5

You think half baked cheap J35 numbering 30 planes is gonna stop this storm

Good luck

Hammers? Itni lambi bhi nahi Marni thi, also have you finally admitted that you aren't trying to compete against China anymore?

 

[Tremain]

The question should be why Rafale and not Tejas?

Because....


Manhoos jahaaz.

France is building the engine, what's India going to do?

Provide the paint.

And two lemons.

And maybe one coconut.

Your Airforce bases were decimated

No they weren't.

 

[Corax]

You getting off topic

The article very clear and concise is laying out how this decision to go with Rafale even at exorbitant cost was made

Firstly India has or will have 62 Rafales in service by 2028/2029 after the navy get their 26 planes
So training logistics interoperability is already there so Integration of new Rafales is quick super quick

Second France is has tied up with Indian companies Tata India to license build 24 Rafales to help with huge global demand they can't cope in just France on annual basis

Third France is developing the Safran engine with India

Fourth Rafale has new upgraded super Rafales under development and gets unmanned drones hpersonics weapons in five years time

Fifth transfer of technology and acceptance of Indian weapons

Sixth France is trusted reliable partner even in war unlike USA

Sixth the Su57 cannot be
Be mass producef and the future upgrades Russia is promising demands time and Indian investment upfront

Eigth India is to become maintenance global hub of Rafale service and overhaul...This 40billion deal is way more than just fighter purchase it's strategic military industrial tie up merger between India and France

Rafale just ticks all
Boxes

So what you're saying is you have no choice but to buy Rafales, you're trjus is failed, the Russians can't or won't give you access to theirs, so the French will milk you dry, your a cash cow for them...pun intended.

 

[Corax]

I have already explained
Bilal from Pakistan Quwa already explaining
Indian future mix
Is three types only

Su30mki and super Mki heavey
Rafales F3/4/5 medium.
Tejas mark one and Two light

They are just derailing the thread

Only in your cow dung fed Bollywood dreams, but it's good indians like you have such delusions.

 

[harpy1]

Call it running to France for help
Call it Tejas failed
Call it financially raped
Call it we have no other options

Rafale is big big part of future Indian air power ...
Licence manufacturing is being set up
Thanks to France India will get it's own Safren engine fifth generation crystal blade technology with immense power

Now
My question
Only in questin to your above rants about India and france

Did you not go running to china to bail you out with cheap budget fighter because USA denied you F16s and you can't afford european planes

Did the chinease not leave you in 36 billion. Dollars of debt now... which you can't refinance and I bet part of that is the military hardware you have been buying for decades..

Are you not being raped by China you owe chinease banks 36 billion dollars ...

To India 36 billion dollars is less than half their annual defense budget and 5% of Forex reserves it's nothing...

To Pakistan 36. Billion is three times your defense budget and twice your Forex reserves

India will be signing up for Gcap or Fcas gentleman in the future
Discussions are happening already
With Germans and French

India is done with USA after engine fiasco and tariffs and judging by what happen to Trump in Davos I think Europe are done with USA for long term defense too..

France and Germany will be huge winners in Indian defense market now worth hundred of billions dollars...The Europeans are hitting the jackpot with india

Rafale is not the deal happening
German submarines
German transport planes
French engines
Future massive fight between Gcap and Fcas for sixth generation order from India sometime post 2035

 

[hussain0216]

The Europeans are hitting the jackpot with india

Yeah we know

They are milking the cow

Good times, good times

As long as the cow is happy to be milked, then who are we to complain

But let's atleast have a honest conversation, rather then some crap about this being a Indian masterstroke, let's admit this is India forced into a corner due to it's own hubris and then being forced to pay massive amounts to be saved by the Europeans

 

[harpy1]

India does not have the time to wait Hussain

The squadron numbers have fallen to all time low because for two decades India brought no fighters
Migs have gone
Jags going
Tejas delayed
USA engines delayed

Pakistan buying j10c and soon J35
J20 on himlayers border in small.nos

India is moving to answer that threat they can't wait for Amca or Tejas

Enter Rafales now
Possibly 60Su57 stop gap too
And I hear
5 more s400 regiments

 

[hussain0216]

India does not have the time to wait Hussain

The squadron numbers have fallen to all time low because for two decades India brought no fighters
Migs have gone
Jags going
Tejas delayed
USA engines delayed

Pakistan buying j10c and soon J35
J20 on himlayers border in small.nos

India is moving to answer that threat they can't wait for Amca or Tejas

Enter Rafales now
Possibly 60Su57 stop gap too
And I hear
5 more s400 regiments

Great so we are starting to have a honest conversation now

Why don't you have time to wait?

It's because of piss poor planning by IAF even with a big budget

Over confidence and ego driven hubris


India will one way or the other get the airforce that it wants BUT it will indeed pay THOUGH ITS NOSE for it

 

[onlinpunit]

Only in your cow dung fed Bollywood dreams, but it's good indians like you have such delusions.

30 billion is 1/25 th of our Foreign currency reserve. We can afford it.

 

[onlinpunit]

Great so we are starting to have a honest conversation now

Why don't you have time to wait?

It's because of piss poor planning by IAF even with a big budget

Over confidence and ego driven hubris


India will one way or the other get the airforce that it wants BUT it will indeed pay THOUGH ITS NOSE for it

It's govt fault. IAF or Army is the not the decision making body in India. The delay is because of Govt policies.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Rafales don't even have DAC's AoN, let alone CCS approval. All of it is brainfart as of now.

 

[Corax]

30 billion is 1/25 th of our Foreign currency reserve. We can afford it.

Good for you, expensive canon fodder for the PAF when they start falling like little birds out of the sky.