Why were Arab armed forces so ineffective?

Op, I think yours is a paywalled source but it sure seemed like an interesting read.

The below link is on the same subject, has been much quoted, but is also now somewhat contested. Anyway noting it here for the congruence of subject matter:

 
Op, I think yours is a paywalled source but it sure seemed like an interesting read.

The below link is on the same subject, has been much quoted, but is also now somewhat contested. Anyway noting it here for the congruence of subject matter:

Why Arabs Lose Wars,that's a classic.
 
Op, I think yours is a paywalled source but it sure seemed like an interesting read.

A good reason to prevent anyone from reading that pile of trash.

Example - The first sentence in the 1st paragraph:

When arab air-defence crews helped fend off Iran’s attack on Israel in April, they drew much praise. And yet Arab states are not usually lauded for their martial prowess; many have lousy military reputations. They have been repeatedly humiliated in wars with Israel. They proved ineffective during the 1991 Gulf war; Egypt deployed two armoured divisions but America quickly sidelined them when they struggled to overcome even limited Iraqi resistance.

1) Wrote the word "arab" without capitalizing it.
2) Misspelled "defense."
3) Misspelled "armored."
4)And clearly didn't research the actual reason for the Egyptian armored divisions supposed "struggle against limited Iraqi resistance."
Those 4 items alone immediately shape the credibility of the rest of that rubbish.

As far as the true reason for the Egyptian ineffectiveness; they moved slowly against the Iraqi army because Mubarak had ordered them to participate in the coalition for political reasons and the last thing any of them wanted to do was to kill their Muslim brethren who came to Egypt and helped them fight against the zionists in 1973. They gave their lives for Egypt to help it fight the land invaders and they were expected to go kill those same people who laid their lives on the line for Egypt? No friggin way and the commander had an entire newspaper written about how he had unanimous support from all the grunts that they wouldn't kill a single Iraqi. So they tried communicating with the Iraqi battalions they were facing as they approached them but were unsuccessful, so they slowed down and took longer routes and maintained enough distance and waited out several of the encounters to get the Iraqis to either withdraw or surrender. That was the so-called "ineffectiveness against limited Iraqi resistance."

This was all over the news in Egypt and was well known as the news got back to Mubarak who was royally pissed off out of his mind and wanted to court-martial every single one of them. That was the reason, and this author could've and should've easily researched it and found out. But of course, that wouldn't support the theory he's trying to peddle.

Sorry, Fatty. Not worthy.
 
A good reason to prevent anyone from reading that pile of trash.

Example - The first sentence in the 1st paragraph:

When arab air-defence crews helped fend off Iran’s attack on Israel in April, they drew much praise. And yet Arab states are not usually lauded for their martial prowess; many have lousy military reputations. They have been repeatedly humiliated in wars with Israel. They proved ineffective during the 1991 Gulf war; Egypt deployed two armoured divisions but America quickly sidelined them when they struggled to overcome even limited Iraqi resistance.

1) Wrote the word "arab" without capitalizing it.
2) Misspelled "defense."
3) Misspelled "armored."
4)And clearly didn't research the actual reason for the Egyptian armored divisions supposed "struggle against limited Iraqi resistance."
Those 4 items alone immediately shape the credibility of the rest of that rubbish.

As far as the true reason for the Egyptian ineffectiveness; they moved slowly against the Iraqi army because Mubarak had ordered them to participate in the coalition for political reasons and the last thing any of them wanted to do was to kill their Muslim brethren who came to Egypt and helped them fight against the zionists in 1973. They gave their lives for Egypt to help it fight the land invaders and they were expected to go kill those same people who laid their lives on the line for Egypt? No friggin way and the commander had an entire newspaper written about how he had unanimous support from all the grunts that they wouldn't kill a single Iraqi. So they tried communicating with the Iraqi battalions they were facing as they approached them but were unsuccessful, so they slowed down and took longer routes and maintained enough distance and waited out several of the encounters to get the Iraqis to either withdraw or surrender. That was the so-called "ineffectiveness against limited Iraqi resistance."

This was all over the news in Egypt and was well known as the news got back to Mubarak who was royally pissed off out of his mind and wanted to court-martial every single one of them. That was the reason, and this author could've and should've easily researched it and found out. But of course, that wouldn't support the theory he's trying to peddle.

Sorry, Fatty. Not worthy.
Those spelling are the British way of spelling those words.
 
The actual article:

Why are Arab armed forces so ineffective?​

Governments are splashing the cash, but that may do little to burnish their armies’ reputations​


When arab air-defence crews helped fend off Iran’s attack on Israel in April, they drew much praise. And yet Arab states are not usually lauded for their martial prowess; many have lousy military reputations. They have been repeatedly humiliated in wars with Israel. They proved ineffective during the 1991 Gulf war; Egypt deployed two armoured divisions but America quickly sidelined them when they struggled to overcome even limited Iraqi resistance. Other Gulf countries, such as Saudi Arabia, provided only a handful of troops. More recently, despite considerable American military support, the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen descended into a quagmire.

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map: the economist

The problem is not lack of money or hardware. Combined military spending across the six Gulf Co-operation Council (gcc) countries plus Egypt and Jordan reaches just over $120bn a year (nato’s European members spent $380bn in 2023). Together they can marshall 944,000 troops (see map), 4,800 tanks and 1,000 fighter aircraft. Egypt and Jordan are among the largest recipients of American military aid, getting around $1.7bn a year between them.
Much of that cash is squandered. Arab armed forces often splurge on vanity equipment like fighter jets that are ill-suited to the asymmetric threats they face, argues Paul Collins, a former British defence attaché in Cairo. Flashy purchases are generally used to gain influence with Western governments, suggests Andreas Krieg of King’s College London. Qatar’s purchases of F-15s, Rafales and Typhoons have bought favour in Washington, Paris and London respectively. The business of buying, arming and maintaining combat jets is a cash-guzzler. Over the past ten years in Saudi Arabia, 54% of arms imports by value were lavished on aircraft. An obsession with air power generally comes at the expense of other service branches, such as the army and navy.

Indeed, for states whose prosperity depends on access to commercial shipping, many pay remarkably little attention to their navies. Fleets are small and usually focused on coastal defence. They also lack the bulky early-warning sensors and interceptors that are useful for advanced seaborne air-defence. They have played a limited role fending off the Houthi attacks in the Red Sea. For decades, many states saw little reason to invest given American and British naval protection, notes David Roberts, also of King’s College London. Even those that have begun investing face serious manpower shortages. Qatar’s navy has ordered seven new ships from Italy. It will need 660 additional sailors to operate them, equivalent to a quarter of its current naval personnel.

More important, however, Arab armies generally reflect the authoritarian neuroses of their rulers. Military commanders are loth to provide rank-and-file soldiers with the independence and agency needed for combined-arms operations, as is common in the West. Training exercises are often highly scripted and bear little resemblance to the reality of combat, notes Mr Krieg. Arab armies are also treated as praetorian guards. Saudi Arabia’s 130,000-strong National Guard is the ruling family’s personal protection force. In Egypt, the army runs a sprawling commercial empire that dabbles in everything from holiday resorts to construction firms.

Some hope that Arab armies could provide a peacekeeping force in Gaza, but experts are sceptical that their forces have the operational wherewithal to engage in high-end combat. More often than not, they even struggle to work with each other. “They are all very suspicious, they still don’t trust one another,” argues Kenneth Pollack of the American Enterprise Institute, a think-tank, author of a book on Arab military underperformance. Proposals in 2014 and 2018 to establish a joint gcc military structure rapidly fizzled out as smaller states fretted about ceding control to bigger neighbours.

For many Arab leaders, securing America’s commitment to the region is a higher priority than creating a multilateral bloc. Few would envisage fighting a war with another state without American backing. The Gulf countries continue to rely largely on America’s intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, its command-and-control centres and its refuelling platforms in the region. The Saudis are doggedly pursuing a defence pact with America.

There are pockets of martial excellence. The uae and Jordan possess capable and professional armies, especially their special forces and pilots. In 2015 Emirati special forces carried out a complex amphibious assault on the port city of Aden that impressed Western observers. Jordan has been conducting regular airdrops of aid over Gaza, a difficult mission over the dense strip. Smaller, well-trained elite forces have allowed motivational esprit de corps to flourish. But specialist expertise is often imported: the uae’s presidential guard and special forces have brought in scads of foreign advisers, most of them former Western officers, and are commanded by an expatriate Australian general.

Moreover, there does seem to be some piecemeal co-operation. The thwarting of Iran’s attack on Israel, though marshalled by America, would not have been possible without a significant degree of Arab co-ordination, reckons Mr Collins. Since 2019, when a drone attack, probably by Iran, halted nearly half of Saudi oil production, Gulf and other Arab states have started integrating their air-defence systems. Some experts suggest that many Gulf air-defence units are more adept than their European counterparts. In 2022 a handful of undisclosed Arab nations even joined Israel as part of a loose, American-led regional air-defence alliance focused on stitching disparate radar detection systems together.

Some are still cautious: “There is nothing in the technical realm that is preventing integration of things like air defence,” notes Mr Pollack. “It’s all about the politics.” But big political changes at home could set the stage for military reform. Conscious of the looming energy transition, Gulf monarchies want to reshape their economies and societies. They are shifting their money towards advanced military technology, including artificial-intelligence research centres, instead of just expensive conventional platforms. Governments hope that spending on whizzy military kit will create spillover effects in the civilian economy. But it may not do much to improve their martial reputations.
 
Those spelling are the British way of spelling those words.

Yes, I realize that silly British goofiness. But I bet when the word is used in most, if not all published English literature where it has to be officially edited, it's spelled CORRECTLY as in the way it's spelled in Marriam Websters Dictionary.

Furthermore, you can't use that spelling in a different context.

Example:
"defencive" is totally incorrect.
Defensive is correct.
Defencible is also completely incorrect.
Defensible is correct.

Heck even the bloody French spell it "defense."

Besides, is "armoured" some form of loveable metal military vehicle? Mon amour vehicle.
 
A good reason to prevent anyone from reading that pile of trash.

Example - The first sentence in the 1st paragraph:

When arab air-defence crews helped fend off Iran’s attack on Israel in April, they drew much praise. And yet Arab states are not usually lauded for their martial prowess; many have lousy military reputations. They have been repeatedly humiliated in wars with Israel. They proved ineffective during the 1991 Gulf war; Egypt deployed two armoured divisions but America quickly sidelined them when they struggled to overcome even limited Iraqi resistance.

Going beyond the first paragraph there are lots of good points. Especially

"Flashy purchases are generally used to gain influence with Western governments,"

"Military commanders are loth to provide rank-and-file soldiers with the independence and agency needed for combined-arms operations, as is common in the West. Training exercises are often highly scripted and bear little resemblance to the reality of combat,"

"many pay remarkably little attention to their navies."
 
Going beyond the first paragraph there are lots of good points. Especially

"Flashy purchases are generally used to gain influence with Western governments,"

Ok, fair point. Let's assume there's some truth to the "flashy purchases" thingy, is that an insinuation that those weapons have no value in a war? Of course not. The premise is so silly that its sole purpose is to disgrace, discredit, denigrate, disrepute, ill-repute, humiliate, abash, scandalize, shame, dishonor, and plain embarrass. This is a common tactic by individuals like this fella who have a particular axe to grind in the form of an agenda. What is that agenda you say? Take a look at the next line you quoted.

"Military commanders are loth to provide rank-and-file soldiers with the independence and agency needed for combined-arms operations, as is common in the West. Training exercises are often highly scripted and bear little resemblance to the reality of combat,"

If you click on "independence and agency, it takes you to another complete disaster intended on bashing Russia in the name of democracy, as seen by the west, particularly in the UK and the US. Because apparently the entire world should follow Anglo-Saxon democracy.

Greater firepower and a disregard for civilian lives are helping Russia

So immediately it's a reference to Russians (bad) and to enhance the Ukrainians (good). There's the unabashed agenda because again, the west is right and anything other than what the west follows is wrong. And the bias is an absolute disgrace because I really wonder, would this guy be equally as critical of the Israelis bombing and murdering and slaughtering Palestinian civilians by the tens of thousands as he is here of the Russians? Or is there an evident heap of hypocrisy on top of bias considering the Israelis supposedly have the only democracy in the region and are supported by guess whom?

delegate responsibility for achieving it to more junior officers, allowing them to exercise their own initiative and judgment. This speeds up decision-making and allows armies to respond flexibly, and even to surprise enemies who may expect them to stick to textbook procedures.

That whole concept of independence and agency has been a common criticism of not only Arab armies -- and specifically their military doctrine -- but any army influenced by Soviet doctrine. The agenda push is evident.

Delegating more authority and responsibility to junior officers to make their own decisions apart from fixed order or to improvise when things are going bad has never been proven to be a determining factor in whether wars in general are won. It's a myth because for some reason in some instance, someone noticed that someone in an Arab army was incapable of altering his tactics to get himself out of a jam and stuck to his training and his issued orders from his "superior" commander to his demise. Then all of a sudden that became "a thing" that must be the reason why Arabs lose wars.

Yet that same "thing" -- and even worse -- didn't affect North Korea, China and the Soviet Union in the Korean War. Nor did it affect North Vietnam and the Viet Cong. Or even the Soviet Union in WWII.

"many pay remarkably little attention to their navies."

Yeah, so? When did any Arab navy -- or lack thereof -- have any negative impact on any Arab war? If anything, the Egyptian Navy soundly defeated the practically "non-existent" Israeli Navy (how ironic) in 1973, including achieving a solid naval blockade of the straits of Bab El Mandab in the south Red Sea and Port Said in the north Mediterranean. That's nothing but a pile-on jab to try and add as much negativity as possible to support the fallacy. All these things equal trash.

Why do people not understand that content is more important than British versus American spelling ? Whether it is M-16 or AK-47 both do the job.

Because it adds to the credibility of the author and subject. Believe it or not, education is actually a valuable thing.
 
The whole article depicts the Western inferiority complex mentality since the crusades and how many times they were beaten by the Arabs throughout history..
 

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