World Bank cancels &500 million dollar loan to Pakistan

Those that control things are doing fine in the personal lives and live in bubbles. The masses will have to manage on the scraps the elite leave for them. Pakistan isn’t a modern country in the sense of providing adequate social services, it’s more of a 19th century Russian empire like state.

In the late Soviet period they had a joke regarding the two different kinds of currencies, one of trade with the world and one for internal use. “They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work”.

So in Pakistan the equivalent must be that the government pretends to provide services (such as education) and people pretend to pay taxes.

This is a mess of the elites own making, and should the overall economy collapse, it is them to blame. No sense “casting perils at swine” that don’t want to hear reason; no sense serving an oligarchy that is insincere with the public, the world and themselves.

So we the common people aren’t the “you guys”. It would more apt to ask “the elites”. The elites expect the world or circumstance to allow them to kick the can down the road, and if times get tough most of them will flee.

Btw, before anyone says that I too am an overseas Pakistani, I must say my family were farmers, lower middle class, and we left 40 years ago, made in America because of American meritocracy and rule of law keeping everyone we dealt with in line.

The common people don’t seem to have much of a margin to pay higher taxes for no additional social services benefit. There is little sincerity from the elites to the masses.

This is also why a ground swell of political mobilization doesn’t seem to happen, because if it did it wouldn’t stop at small changes. The system is so imbalanced, that nearly a French Revolution of social changes would change the culture, and the elites can’t afford to allow that to happen. I’m not even talking about the violent aspects, but the purpose people feel in their lives, the way religion is exploited to distract the masses, the petty politics of slow rolling infrastructure development, etc.

But having said all this, it was the French Revolution and the more egalitarian society that came afterwards that made France the power it is today, still the most capable European nation. Pakistan too can take off if it reforms its social contract. The pent up potential is there as that Goldman Sachs analysis pointed out.
I agreed with almost all you wrote,almost.
The last bold part doesn't resonate with my understanding of Pakistanis.
For all that to happen,you need a French revolutionesque movement.
I firmly believe most Pakistanis don't have it in them to conjure anything close to it.
Only people who may have such guts are perhaps the tribals on the western border areas, Others have been systematically coded to have a oppurtunistic slave like inferior mentality throughout millenniums of servitude to foreigners via numerous invasions.
It's kind of similar to our north Indian mentality. So Any change in status quo is going to evolutionary and not revolutionary.
 
The elites of Pakistan are animals. These people don't want to change their bastard ways. They love to eat and feed haram. Easy money. Just give them remittances, aid and loans all day long. They are happy campers.

A time will come now where even loans won't be given. Pakistan is like a black hole. Money disappears and the elites only plead for more.
Sounds like America.
 
I agreed with almost all you wrote,almost.
The last bold part doesn't resonate with my understanding of Pakistanis.
For all that to happen,you need a French revolutionesque movement.
I firmly believe most Pakistanis don't have it in them to conjure anything close to it.
Only people who may have such guts are perhaps the tribals on the western border areas, Others have been systematically coded to have a oppurtunistic slave like inferior mentality throughout millenniums of servitude to foreigners via numerous invasions.
It's kind of similar to our north Indian mentality. So Any change in status quo is going to evolutionary and not revolutionary.
Come to think of it,I don't agree with your common mass/ elite class division either in this context.
The same common mass does corruption whenever they get the chance.
From stealing electricity,not paying taxes,illegal stalls to duping others.you name it they do it .
So perhaps ,common Pakistani is getting the government(elite) he deserves,which is what happens in democracies. Similar thing here in India,corrupt people elect corrupt people.
 
Leaders, you mean your political leadership ?. Did they have any say, ever ?.

Today China is your friend, tomorrow it might not.

US nuclear bombed Japan in 1945, today they are allies. Iran and Israel were allies once, today they are arch-enemies.


Friends of today, are enemies of tomorrow and vice-versa. Global politics and relationships keep on evolving.
In WHAT dictionary, U.S. Japan relationship is called allies?
Can Japan say NO in this relationship?

It's a partnership when both have rights. It's slavery when U.S. has the right to make the call, while Japan has the right to obey.
 
In WHAT dictionary, U.S. Japan relationship is called allies?
Can Japan say NO in this relationship?

It's a partnership when both have rights. It's slavery when U.S. has the right to make the call, while Japan has the right to obey.
Exactly,it's no partnership.
Japans foreign policy is basically US foreign policy.
It's basically the new age master slave relationship.
Yes Japan prospered.Because they had competent leadership with vision plus there culture which focused on national growth instead of personal gains.
 
Leasing the port will also piss off the Americans. The Americans are opposed to any kind of activity at Gwadar.

lets have a thread on who will piss off Americans more
a) Pakistan allowing China at Gwadar Port
b) Iran developing Chabahar with India's help

Chinese Navy at Gwadar will surely off guard Indian defense planners. but, somehow we both are hell bent to see how can we make US piss off.
 
lets have a thread on who will piss off Americans more
a) Pakistan allowing China at Gwadar Port
b) Iran developing Chabahar with India's help

Chinese Navy at Gwadar will surely off guard Indian defense planners. but, somehow we both are hell bent to see how can we make US piss off.

We find Chabahar and Gwadar ports, both will have more co-operations with each others....

It about shared relationships/ interests of both ports 🙂
 
lets have a thread on who will piss off Americans more
a) Pakistan allowing China at Gwadar Port
b) Iran developing Chabahar with India's help

Chinese Navy at Gwadar will surely off guard Indian defense planners. but, somehow we both are hell bent to see how can we make US piss off.
Dude, I really like what you just said. You are damn good at jokes.
@Dalit @kmc_chacko who will open a new thread for this?
LOL Just can't wait.
Btw, don't forget to quote me.
 
Dude, I really like what you just said. You are damn good at jokes.
@Dalit @kmc_chacko who will open a new thread for this?
LOL Just can't wait.
Btw, don't forget to quote me.

 
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China will remain Pakistan's friend and ally. You don't worry about that, Indian. You worry about your own country India. Frankly you are irrelevant to this discussion.

Don't use Israel Iran as a template for Pakistan China relations. Different circumstances. Besides, it was your ally USA that backstabbed Iranian Shah. Remember?

Pakistanis understand who is a friend and who is an exploiter. We don't require lecturing from outsiders and especially Indians on this subject matter.
On one side:
- huge loans you can't service for useless infrastructure (built with chinese labour)
- a huge trade defecit you cannot erect barriers against

On the other:
- Army gets weapons to lose its next war

PAkisTaNis UNderSTand LOL

Pakistan has no issues providing Gwadar as a naval base to China. In fact, Pakistan has offered it in exchange for a 2nd strike capability according to some sources.
Asking for something they can't give you isn't an offer. It's a refusal.

You will never give Gwadar to china.

The balance of trades between USA and China doesn't allow it.

You cant choose the entity extracting billions from your pocket over the entity putting billions in when you are teetering on the brink of insolvency every other year.
 
lets have a thread on who will piss off Americans more
a) Pakistan allowing China at Gwadar Port
b) Iran developing Chabahar with India's help

Chinese Navy at Gwadar will surely off guard Indian defense planners. but, somehow we both are hell bent to see how can we make US piss off.
Not a single soul in U.S. administration has heard of these ports. Anything that happens there will matter to Trump administration as much as your choice of breakfast cereal.
 

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