Xpeng CEO tests Tesla FSD V12 while visiting US

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Xpeng CEO tests Tesla FSD V12 while visiting US

Xpeng CEO said he experienced FSD V12.3.6 and hopes to borrow a vehicle with the latest V12.4.1 software.

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Xpeng CEO said he experienced FSD V12.3.6 and hopes to borrow a vehicle with the latest V12.4.1 software.

He Xiaopeng, chairman and CEO of Xpeng (NYSE: XPEV), is visiting the US and has tested Tesla's (NASDAQ: TSLA) FSD (Full Self-Driving), as the software is set to be brought to China this year.

"I'm visiting the US for a longer period of time this time and dropping by to test the latest version of FSD and Waymo version," the Xpeng CEO wrote on Weibo today.

"I have the Tesla FSD V12.3.6 version and if you have the 12.4.1 internal beta you can lend it to me, thanks," he added.

He also sought comments from followers, asking them what they'd mainly like to know in a comparison between FSD and Xpeng's XNGP (Xpeng navigation guided pilot).

Mr. He's Weibo location shows that he is currently in San Francisco.

Mr. He's Weibo location shows that he is currently in San Francisco.

( An image shared by Xpeng CEO He Xiaopeng on Weibo shows the version of Tesla's FSD software.)

Tesla CEO Elon Musk made an unannounced visit to China at the end of April, when Bloomberg reported that he was aiming to seek approval for the FSD driver assistance software.

Tesla cleared a key hurdle to launching advanced assisted driving feature in China by partnering with Baidu on mapping and navigation features, Bloomberg said in an April 29 report, citing people familiar with the matter

Mr. He said on Weibo later the same day that he welcomes Tesla FSD to China.

Tesla has great autonomous driving technology and brand, Mr. He said at the time, adding that only the entry of more good products and technologies can make the whole market and customers have better experiences and make the market accelerate its benign development.

Progress over the past two months suggests that FSD appears to be getting closer to entering China.

On May 30, Reuters reported that Tesla was preparing to register its FSD software with the Chinese authorities in order to launch the feature this year as planned.

After Tesla successfully registers the software with China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, it will be able to have its employees conduct internal testing of FSD on China's public roads, and then make it available to Chinese users as an upgrade in the coming months, according to the report.

On June 14, local media outlet SH Observer cited a Shanghai official as saying that Shanghai's Nanhui New Town was facilitating 10 Tesla vehicles to carry out a pilot of FSD.

In China, all Tesla vehicles come with free Basic Autopilot (BAP) software. In addition, Tesla also offers Enhanced Autopilot (EAP) and FSD software options for RMB 32,000 ($4,410) and RMB 64,000 respectively.

With no algorithm training for Chinese road conditions, the EAP and FSD perform basically on par with the free BAP, though additional features including summoning are offered.

FSD is seen as one of the most capable sets of software in the smart driving space, and Tesla's route is being adopted by Chinese automakers.

Tesla's FSD V12 has delivered good results, making the end-to-end large model technology it uses an emerging industry consensus, and more car companies in China are starting to experiment with the route, a story in local media outlet LatePost noted yesterday.

Xpeng said in May that it had realized the use of end-to-end technology, with urban NGP (Navigation Guided Pilot) already covering more than 300 cities.

Nio recently reorganized its smart driving teamto focus more on end-to-end technology that are seen as better solutions, according to the LatePost report yesterday.

 

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“Tesla's route is being adopted by Chinese automakers”

Those Chinese automakers must be stupid since Chinese PDF members say FSD is impossible without LiDAR and Tesla’s route is an Elon Musk scam.

 

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Tesla FSD performs 'extremely well' in Silicon Valley and highways, Xpeng CEO says after US experience

Tesla FSD performs extremely well in Silicon Valley and on highways, achieving high scores and handling many road conditions smoothly, Xpeng CEO He Xiaopeng said.

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@Menthol

 

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Motorbikes, scooters, and bicycles are not a problem in most areas of the US

China's 300 million e-scooters to be major challenge for Tesla FSD, says Xpeng exec

In central Guangzhou, for example, about 30 percent of roads don't have bike lanes, and e-scooters need to use the same roads as motor vehicles.

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Regulatory hurdles aside, Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) will face one major obstacle after bringing FSD (Full Self-Driving) to China -- more than 300 million e-scooters.

That's the view of Xpeng's (NYSE: XPEV) head of autonomous driving, Li Liyun, who said on Weibo today that FSD will have a hard time handling the 300 million electric scooters in the country.

(An image shared on Weibo on June 27, 2024 by Li Liyun, Xpeng's head of autonomous driving, shows a road in China with complex traffic conditions.)

 

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XPeng CEO Says Tesla's FSD Works Well In Silicon Valley: '2025 Will Be The ChatGPT Moment Of Fully Self-Driving!' - XPeng (NYSE:XPEV)

Xpeng CEO He Xiaopeng believes 2025 will be the ChatGPT moment for fully autonomous driving after testing Tesla and Waymo's technologies.

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XPeng CEO Says Tesla's FSD Works Well In Silicon Valley: '2025 Will Be The ChatGPT Moment Of Fully Self-Driving!'​

 

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Motorbikes, scooters, and bicycles are not a problem in most areas of the US

China's 300 million e-scooters to be major challenge for Tesla FSD, says Xpeng exec

In central Guangzhou, for example, about 30 percent of roads don't have bike lanes, and e-scooters need to use the same roads as motor vehicles.

cnevpost.com

Regulatory hurdles aside, Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) will face one major obstacle after bringing FSD (Full Self-Driving) to China -- more than 300 million e-scooters.

That's the view of Xpeng's (NYSE: XPEV) head of autonomous driving, Li Liyun, who said on Weibo today that FSD will have a hard time handling the 300 million electric scooters in the country.

(An image shared on Weibo on June 27, 2024 by Li Liyun, Xpeng's head of autonomous driving, shows a road in China with complex traffic conditions.)

Yup.

This is the problem with Third World countries.

A lot of motorcycles, pedestrians, animals, and stuffs people put on the street.

Not to mention, electricity line pole in the middle of the road, weird shaped road, etc.

Many times, motorcycles and trucks stop in the middle of the road.

And then aggressive drivers too.


Driving in Third World countries is different compared with driving in well-developed countries.

You need to be aggressive too, that makes FSD fail because it's way too "patient", no drivers are going to give you the opportunity to pass, it's going to be stuck there forever.

Sometimes you also need unspoken communication between drivers.

There's also aunty... lol

 

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You need to be aggressive too, that makes FSD fail because it's way too "patient",

No, remember FSD learns how to drive 100% from scratch by modeling itself watching the quirky driving habits of people. If you have a country full of aggressive drivers you will eventually get a car that drives just as aggressively.

For instance in the US they had to put in a fix because the AI noticed 98% of people don't come to a complete stop at stop signs...so it simply didn't either...which is against the law. They had to oversupply it with additional footage of people actually full stopping at stop signs so it would correct itself.

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The car's cameras record how people drive in a specific country, sends video clips of it to a server through an internal cell phone data connection in the car, the server crunches the data generating steering rules/calculations, creates a new FSD version, sends it back to all the cars in a specific country through that cell phone data connection, the FSD software runs "behind the scenes" as people are driving seeing if how it learned to drive matches how people drive. When it sees a scene where the person drove differently than it would it saves the video clip, sends it to the server and the cycle repeats. It's all automated.

When the number of video clips being sent to the server slows down dramatically it is a sign the FSD has learned how to drive pretty well in a specific country. It then gets sent to human testers to see if is legitimately driving well and if so it is offered to the general public as the latest $99/month FSD version which enables Tesla owners to drive "hands free".

The latest public version in the US/Canada is 12.4.2...

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There's no software developers involved. The AI writes the steering/stopping code.

If the car drives over a country border it could theoretically swap out the FSD version for one more specific to that country's driving habits.

This is all very brilliant and right now because "shadow mode" is running on millions of cars in over 35 countries, sending video clips, generating dozens of custom country driving versions Tesla is well ahead of the competition.

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People laughed at Tesla focusing on cameras but Elon Musk is very very shrewd. Apparently nobody guessed what he really had planned.