Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation

[VCheng]

They wouldnt need to if genocide and war of aggresion wasnt taking place by an external force on an internal people, and protected by another, more powerful, external force.

All of that can apply to any other side too from their point of view.

 

[Developereo]

No I stated that nationalism, more specifically through the creation of nation states, which by the way no sane person would argue it didnt happen, caused and increase and perpetual state of instability through wars and land disputes between Arab states, and non Arab states like Iran.

The entire point of the Sykes-Picot accord between the British and French colonialists was to create tinpot Arab kingdoms which would keep the region unstable forever. Old tribal, ethnic, and religious conflicts got elevated and cemented into national conflicts.

Equally complicit in all this were the local opportunists, both ethnic and religious chauvinists, who were only too happy to grab their pitiful perch of power to satisfy their egos at the cost of millions of lives.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

All of that can apply to any other side too from their point of view.

It doesn't matter, because they are external and have caused the problems, as we have discussed i.e. nation states, creation of israel, war on terror, Timber Sycamore Program etc etc. The houthis are internal and are reacting to it.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

The entire point of the Sykes-Picot accord between the British and French colonialists was to create tinpot Arab kingdoms which would keep the region unstable forever. Old tribal, ethnic, and religious conflicts got elevated and cemented into national conflicts.

Equally complicit in all this were the local opportunists, both ethnic and religious chauvinists, who were only too happy to grab their pitiful perch of power to satisfy their egos at the cost of millions of lives.

Yes I agree but who brought the carrot and stick to the region first? It was the connivance of the west. So while some blame is on those who fell for the fitnah and cooperated, the cause or provocation was from the west so they are chiefly to blame.

 

[VCheng]

It doesn't matter, because they are external and have caused the problems, as we have discussed i.e. nation states, creation of israel, war on terror, Timber Sycamore Program etc etc. The houthis are external and are reacting to it.

I can see that is your opinion. Let’s move on from there. I have no need to change it.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Thank you for showing once again why Muslims will be fighting each other for centuries while the rest of the world moves on to the Moon, Mars and beyond.

Then why don't the Zaydi Shia pledge allegiance to the Sunni majority of Yemen. Why do they do their insurrection.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

I can see that is your opinion. Let’s move on from there. I have no need to change it.

I was meant to say houthis are internal not external in my last message, by the way. I would argue it's fact and a successful refutation to what you brought. But if you want to leave it there, you do you.

 

[Developereo]

Yes I agree but who brought the carrot and stick to the region first? It was the connivance of the west. So while some blame is on those who fell for the fitnah and cooperated, the cause or provocation was from the west so they are chiefly to blame.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you on that

Tribal, ethnic, and religious conflicts were all here before the West arrived. The West simply worked with the local raw materials. This is what they did in Africa, both Americas, and elsewhere in Asia.

This is what every opportunist does, whether Western or otherwise.

 

[VCheng]

Then why don't the Zaydi Shia pledge allegiance to the Sunni majority of Yemen. Why do they do their insurrection.

Please note no sectarian posts will be tolerated.

 

[VCheng]

LAST WARNING

NO SECTARIANISM.

NO EXCEPTIONS.

 

[moonaman.varavayi]

They threated only Israel-related ships, and ships who refused to identify themselves like the ship you said.

You know that's BS, and that you won't be able to provide a citation for that. Or can you?

 

[BHAN85]

You know that's BS, and that you won't be able to provide a citation for that. Or can you?

Chinese companies have no problems, they identify themselves, they avoid stops in Israel, and they have free pass.

China's largest shipper reportedly suspends trips to Israel as Red Sea tensions mount

Shipping giant Cosco has suspended shipping to Israel through the Red Sea as tensions in the strategic shipping lane continue to rise, according to Israeli media.

www.cnbc.com

By the other side western companies are used as tool to escalate. And they arrogantly refuse to identify themselves even when there is no Israel connection, to give a excuse for military intervention.

What is your theory? Are Houthi lying and they strike non-related Israeli ships that identify themselves? why?

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you on that

Tribal, ethnic, and religious conflicts were all here before the West arrived. The West simply worked with the local raw materials. This is what they did in Africa, both Americas, and elsewhere in Asia.

This is what every opportunist does, whether Western or otherwise.

Sorry my reply to you, which wasn't sectarian, got deleted.

Nobody is saying war or conflict doesn't exist in the region, war occurs in human societies. However, it was not to the destabilising levels as we see today or as a result of external factors, namely the west. It's interesting in one post you lambast the west for creating tin pot dictators to divide Muslims, but then you say "they simply worked with local materials". I don't understand the change in tone. It is a fact that the changes made by the west like nation states, exasperated the situation from something natural to something destabilising.

 

[Persian Gulf]

It's all hot air because the systems they have can't penetrate US defences.

They are talking about American and British cargo ships, not Navy ships

 

[Developereo]

Sorry my reply to you, which wasn't sectarian, got deleted.

Nobody is saying war or conflict doesn't exist in the region, war occurs in human societies. However, it was not to the destabilising levels as we see today or as a result of external factors, namely the west. It's interesting in one post you lambast the west for creating tin pot dictators to divide Muslims, but then you say "they simply worked with local materials". I don't understand the change in tone. It is a fact that the changes made by the west like nation states, exasperated the situation from something natural to something destabilising.

What I meant was that the West took existing tribal conflicts and cast them in the cement of nation states. They made sure the tribal chiefs, now elevated to tinpot kings, would keep the area boiling with active help from the West through alliances, arms sales, etc.

Of course the Soviets and then Russians got into the game also to get their piece of the spoils.

I agree with you that outsiders, both Western and others, keep the pot boiling but the local element is just as complicit. We cannot control the outsiders, but we can try to educate our people, especially in the age of social media, so they are not manipulated by these divide and conquer tactics.

Sorry, but I do not see any other way out of this mess other than some miracle where a unifying force comes out of nowhere.