Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation

[mulj]

Forget about that UAE, what do they have to do with Houthis exactly? UAE form what, 1.5 million local Emirati Arabs out of 550 million Arabs worldwide? We (everyone informed) already knows that the current Emirati rulers have lost their marbles in regard to many issues in the region from the civil war in Sudan, to the Abraham/Ibrahim Accords, their support for the Al-Assad regime and what not. They have totally lost it and I have written it on numerous occasions, I even believe that we have discussed it earlier as well.

What do you want Arabs to do when the entire world, except for China, Russia (even only partially) and very few others (if not only those 2) are slaves to the US/West/the current Western order? In fact if we include the current Western order, China and Russia are slaves too. Financially, culturally etc. Russia can for instance not wait to get back in the fold of the West.

Look it is very simple. I am not going to whitewash 33 years of murder, crime, occupation, rebellions against the Yemeni state, hijacking of the honorable Zaydi Yemenis culture and religion, their fifth column alliance with the hostile and anti-Arab Wilayat al-Faqih regime in Tehran, their current occupation of northwestern Yemen, their lack of will to unify with other Yemenis in order to create a strong Yemen etc. just because of some useless firecrackers aimed at Israel that to date have killed only 1 Israeli civilian. It is pathetic.

Let me ask you this, would you be supporting the same Serbs who committed Srebrenica and invaded/destroyed Bosnia, if they had done similar to Israel (fired a few useless firecrackers at Israel, made 100's of useless speeches and killed 1 Israeli in 29 months)?

As I already wrote earlier, I would be inclined to look the other way if the Houthis actually amounted to anything in regards to Israel. Sadly this is not the case and they have not deterred or stopped the Israelis at all. In return Yemen (the occupied part by the Houthis) is being carpet bombed. This is just the start, they will and can continue this for months at a time until the Houthis are barely standing.

i simply refuse to be vortexed in futile circle jerk of futilities, matters are not complicated, Gaza Palesetine and whole jewish invasion in muslim lands are question number one,
ability of muslims and arabs in particular to put that question 1 among last ones is reason why they are laughing stock of the world.
i assume why is that but will not be rude in this public space.

 

[_Arabia_]

That post talks about religious and tribal issues which, as I stated, are irrelevant. I will not love or hate the Houthis because of their religion or tribe. All I care is that they are inflicting economic costs to Israel and its allies.



They have exempted Chinese flagged ships from the very beginning and explicitly targeted ships with European or Israeli flags.



US will repair damage to Israel no matter what. That is not a reason not to cause damage. By that logic, everybody should just sit quietly and never fight back.

Ok, so you would be supporting ISIS, TTP, BLA etc. as well if they make those useless attacks aimed at Israel that for 29 months so far have only caused 1 civilian Israeli death and mostly impacted China, Egypt and KSA economically and not Israel. The same Israel that in any case, as I wrote, will get all of that money and much more back for free from the US/West/NATO anyway.

Houthi Red Sea Attacks Have Global Economic Repercussions

The Houthi attacks on Red Sea shipping present a new phenomenon in geo-economic conflict: a non-state actor using asymmetric warfare not just to fight conventional armed forces, but to also impose targeted economic sanctions by selectively attacking international shipping. The Houthis have made...

arabcenterdc.org

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/china-presses-iran-rein-houthi-attacks-red-sea-sources-say-2024-01-26/

Houthis Hit Chinese-Owned Oil Tanker In Spite Of Iran's Reassurances

The Iran-backed Houthi rebels launched a missile attack on a Chinese-owned oil tanker on Sunday in spite of reassurances from Tehran that its vessels would be protected.

www.iranintl.com

Good to know. I disagree and I am not going to look past 33 years of crimes and undermining of the Yemeni state, mass-murder, war crimes, active fragmentation of the Yemeni state, being a fifth column of the Iranian Wilayat al-Faqih regime etc. Nor am I going to hail failure.

 

[_Arabia_]

i simply refuse to be vortexed in futile circle jerk of futilities, matters are not complicated, Gaza Palesetine and whole jewish invasion in muslim lands are question number one,
ability of muslims and arabs in particular to put that question 1 among last ones is reason why they are laughing stock of the world.
i assume why is that but will not be rude in this public space.

I would be buying that logic if the non-Arab Muslims were not equally incompetent (which they are as well) and if actually any nation state on the planet had success in changing the current Western created world order or actually defeated USA/NATO/WEST/Israel. So far I am not seeing that but it is of course always easy to blame Arabs for not doing it when nobody else can do it.

Anyway with all due respect, what we are discussing is irrelevant, I believe that the Yemenis themselves (here Zaydis in question) will return Yemen to normalcy and remove this 33 year old terrorist cult that has nothing to do with Zaydism, Northern Yemeni culture or civilization and I hope that KSA will help them in this regard so we can have a strong and unified Yemen in the future that is politically and finacially allied with their (Yemenis) closest relatives in the region and world (KSA and the GCC) and I believe that this will occur again as it was the case throughout millennia.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

That post talks about religious and tribal issues which, as I stated, are irrelevant. I will not love or hate the Houthis because of their religion or tribe. All I care is that they are inflicting economic costs to Israel and its allies.



They have exempted Chinese flagged ships from the very beginning and explicitly targeted ships with European or Israeli flags.



US will repair damage to Israel no matter what. That is not a reason not to cause damage. By that logic, everybody should just sit quietly and never fight back.

He is the regime apologist. He'll provide you with all the rationale why zion should be dealt with the way they do because, "they are great and we wuz great!"

Lackeys don't seek a way out they mend and mould accordingly. He defers to zion, submits and calls all opposition a folly and an act in futility. Houthis launch in that general direction, all they can muster... he says why the zionists don't lie directly underneath them... see they missed... no failed!
But I understand his issue and cause... they didn't invest in freedom, nor propping up the opposition to zion... they spent on optics, fanfare, the obnoxious and fantasies. They fear loss!
While Gaza seeks its liberation, they wash their hands by offering comfort in subordination... meals and a grind.
Take the deal they offer!

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I would be buying that logic if the non-Arab Muslims were not equally incompetent (which they are as well) and if actually any nation state on the planet had success in changing the current Western created world order or actually defeated USA/NATO/WEST/Israel. So far I am not seeing that but it is of course always easy to blame Arabs for not doing it when nobody else can do it.

Oh no, No one blames you... You joined in, in fact are active participants!
While others seek to remove or castaway bases and hegemony, you pay for and build them...
See I know the futility of your arguments... so lets just keep it in your comfort zone.

 

[_Arabia_]

He is the regime apologist. He'll provide you with all the rationale why zion should be dealt with the way they do because, "they are great and we wuz great!"

Lackeys don't seek a way out they mend and mould accordingly. He defers to zion, submits and calls all opposition a folly and an act in futility. Houthis launch in that general direction, all they can muster... he says why the zionists don't lie directly underneath them... see they missed... no failed!
But I understand his issue and cause... they didn't invest in freedom, nor propping up the opposition to zion... they spent on optics, fanfare, the obnoxious and fantasies. They fear loss!
While Gaza seeks its liberation, they wash their hands by offering comfort in subordination... meals and a grind.
Take the deal they offer!

Quite this pathetic trolling. I believe that you are better than that. This has nothing to do with Zionists or tiny Israel but Yemen and the last 33 years of Yemeni history. You, I and everyone else here not a propagandist, knows very well that the Houthi "attacks" at Israel have been useless and they have not changed anything on the ground and will not change anything on the ground.

You are discussing this topic as if the Houthis have defeated Israel and prevented the genocide in Gaza. It is hard to take this seriously.

I am merely stating historical facts and facts on the ground and not trying to paint manure with some beautiful colours to act like this manure in question is no longer manure.

 

[_Arabia_]

Oh no, No one blames you... You joined in, in fact are active participants!
While others seek to remove or castaway bases and hegemony, you pay for and build them...
See I know the futility of your arguments... so lets just keep it in your comfort zone.

Outside of trolling, can you actually argue against my CORRECT and factual points? Arabs are incompetent against the US/West/NATO/Israel but so are ALL the non-Arab Muslim as well and practically the entire world. You don't like when I state this fact, as you would just prefer the usual bashing of 550 million Arabs worldwide and 20 + Arab nation states.

The evidence of this is that you and I live in a Western created world order. Not a Russian or Chinese created one. The only 2 nations that are even remotely able to challenge this world order. So far to no even remote avail either.

 

[Developereo]

Ok, so you would be supporting ISIS, TTP, BLA etc. as well if they make those useless attacks aimed at Israel

That would never happen because we know where they get their funding but that's another topic.

 

[mulj]

I would be buying that logic if the non-Arab Muslims were not equally incompetent (which they are as well) and if actually any nation state on the planet had success in changing the current Western created world order or actually defeated USA/NATO/WEST/Israel. So far I am not seeing that but it is of course always easy to blame Arabs for not doing it when nobody else can do it.

Anyway with all due respect, what we are discussing is irrelevant, I believe that the Yemenis themselves (here Zaydis in question) will return Yemen to normalcy and remove this 33 year old terrorist cult that has nothing to do with Zaydism, Northern Yemeni culture or civilization and I hope that KSA will help them in this regard so we can have a strong and unified Yemen in the future that is politically and finacially allied with their (Yemenis) closest relatives in the region and world (KSA and the GCC) and I believe that this will occur again as it was the case throughout millennia.

there is difference between braking it and being fully subservient to it, huge one actually. arabs are just willing participants for western hegemony.

this second part is irrelevant.

 

[_Arabia_]

That would never happen because we know where they get their funding but that's another topic.

I assume that this question is irrelevant (where the founding comes from) because if the premise is that any attack on Israel, regardless of which group engages in such attacks, is a good thing (I don't disagree in principle) but I prefer to look past the propaganda on this front and actually look at the ground realities/histories/facts on the ground in the past 33 years of the Houthi existence in Yemen to make my judgements.

The points remain the same. The 33 year old Houthi terrorist cult is a major problem and obstacle for Yemen and Yemenis. The same Houthis have not changed any equations in regards to Israel. All they have amounted to is killing 1 civilian Israeli in 29 months of war. That and economic damage to Israel (which has been and will be covered by the US/West as we already both agree with so it is irrelevant as well in the wider picture) and ironically most of the economic damage has been to Egypt (one of the most populous Muslim nations on the planet), KSA, China and others. Even though none of those countries are at war with the Houthis any longer.

In return Yemen is being carpet bombed. I refuse to hail this segments of events as "success". Or make any senseless comparisons between a terrorist cult that controls a failed small Northwestern Yemen (with nothing to lose) with actual nation states not ruled by incompetent clowns and terrorists.

Now what is the Houthi plan exactly now? To take 100.000's of Yemenis under their occupation as hostages? We all know that they cannot do anything militarily to the US. They are just sitting ducks. So what is the plan? A regional war? Lashing out at non-Houthi controlled Yemen? Provoking KSA on behalf of Iran again? More useless sectarian speeches about how they are the only holy Muslims and everyone else is a traitor and a non-Muslim?

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Quite this pathetic trolling. I believe that you are better than that. This has nothing to do with Zionists or tiny Israel but Yemen and the last 33 years of Yemeni history. You, I and everyone else here not a propagandist, knows very well that the Houthi "attacks" at Israel have been useless and they have not changed anything on the ground and will not change anything on the ground.

You are discussing this topic as if the Houthis have defeated Israel and prevented the genocide in Gaza. It is hard to take this seriously.

I am merely stating historical facts and facts on the ground and not trying to paint manure with some beautiful colours to act like this manure in question is no longer manure.

So, let's analyze... I know your pov is strictly from a Saudi perspective... why delve in Yemeni affairs? Yemen has had a complicated history and too many foreign powers vying for the cake... take Saleh for example with his hands in almost every single thing. And the fact that him(Saleh), his national guard and Houthis are in power today.
Saleh, first by killing Hussain Al Houthi started the insurgency(and eventually got killed by them) and then joined in to topple Hadi.

What is the Houthi slogan by the way?

 

[_Arabia_]

So, let's analyze... I know your pov is strictly from a Saudi perspective... why delve in Yemeni affairs? Yemen has had a complicated history and too many foreign powers vying for the cake... take Saleh for example with his hands in almost every single thing. And the fact that him(Saleh), his national guard and Houthis are in power today.
Saleh, first by killing Hussain Al Houthi started the insurgency(and eventually got killed by them) and then joined in to topple Hadi.

What is the Houthi slogan by the way?

I am a Saudi Arabian with familial ties to Yemen like millions of Saudi Arabians and vice versa. How is that any news or surprising to anyone even remotely familiar with the history of Arabia and the Arabian Peninsula and Arab world as a whole. Vice versa too.

And even if I had no ties to Yemen at all, I would care simply because Yemen is a neigbhoring Arab Muslim nation. With millennia old ties (on most fronts) with KSA. Similar to how I care about Syria and Iraq in particular for the very same reasons, including my own family history.

Yemen is a crucial country for KSA and the stability of KSA (the entire southern flank). Is it so difficult or strange to think that most Saudi Arabians would want a stable and prosperous Yemen next door as that would mean a prosperous and stable Arabia and region?

Again, what has Ali Abdullah Saleh (himself an incompetent and corrupt ruler) to do with Houthis? So if he was bad (he was in many cases but at least Yemen was not fragmented and an completely failed country), it gives the right to Houthis to behave even worse and work actively towards the misery and downfall of Yemen? Even worse being a fifth column of a foreign non-Arab entity (Wilayat al-Faqih regime of Tehran) that only uses them as a geopolitical chess piece vis a vis Israel/USA/West? Not caring for the stability of Yemen, Yemeni unity, stability of Arabia etc. at all as they don't even border this region and are only interested (at least until recently) to weaken KSA?

I want to know in what alternative reality are Houthis a good thing for Yemen? In what alternative universe do a 33 year old tribal/militia/terrorist cult speak in the name of 1350 year old Zaydism? If Houthis were so popular in Northwestern Yemen (majority Zaydi) why did they need 20 + year old rebellion against the Yemeni state and 11 years of brute force to even keep their power intact? Why are they met with so much fierce resistance in Taiz (Zaydi majority town) to this date after almost 10 years of siege?

If they care so much about Yemen why are they not working towards Yemeni unity and merging with the Yemeni government and official Yemeni army? Why have they replaced all the previous people in the militarily, bureaucracy etc. with their own loyal people? Why are they trying to change Yemeni culture and Zaydism from within?

What exact gains do they get from being hostile to KSA? If not continued misery?

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Outside of trolling, can you actually argue against my CORRECT and factual points? Arabs are incompetent against the US/West/NATO/Israel but so are ALL the non-Arab Muslim as well and practically the entire world. You don't like when I state this fact, as you would just prefer the usual bashing of 550 million Arabs worldwide and 20 + Arab nation states.

I don't bash a single Arab nation, nor Arabs as people. It is actions of some, very specific, I speak off...

Your argument, if you don't realize is again, join in! While we have a parallel order, one that can be built upon. It is the lack of spine and submission I speak off...

It is the empowerment of the belligerent, the tyrant by actively promoting, investing and subordinating that I speak off...

The evidence of this is that you and I live in a Western created world order. Not a Russian or Chinese created one. The only 2 nations that are even remotely able to challenge this world order. So far to no even remote avail either.

Here is the problem...
The Chinese and Russians live in THEIR OWN REALM!
They have a parallel reality and setup. They invested in creating an ecosystem inside and among themselves. The Chinese and Russians for example have their parallel internet, apps, financial system, trade and Military Industrial Complex. The rest of former colonized world doesn't... South America, Africa and Asia.
Russia, till the break up of Soviet Union was running a parallel political paradigm, supported militarily and economically by it... held up and manned by Russians, at loss to them and their cause.
Chinese wait and bid their time... for once the Western order collapses... as the pyramid becomes too top heavy and onerous on the ones shouldering it's pain. They see the writing on the wall... see open ended wars on Muslims, THAT DO NOT SUBMIT, as the preferred fall guys to bring about their reign and keep the west occupied in maintaining its last colony and rearranging Mideast into submission!

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I am a Saudi Arabian with familial ties to Yemen like millions of Saudi Arabians and vice versa. How is that any news or surprising to anyone even remotely familiar with the history of Arabia and the Arabian Peninsula and Arab world as a whole. Vice versa too.

And even if I had no ties to Yemen at all, I would care simply because Yemen is a neigbhoring Arab Muslim nation. With millennia old ties (on most fronts) with KSA. Similar to how I care about Syria and Iraq in particular for the very same reasons, including my own family history.

Yemen is a crucial country for KSA and the stability of KSA (the entire southern flank). Is it so difficult or strange to think that most Saudi Arabians would want a stable and prosperous Yemen next door as that would mean a prosperous and stable Arabia and region?

Again, what has Ali Abdullah Saleh (himself an incompetent and corrupt ruler) to do with Houthis? So if he was bad (he was in many cases but at least Yemen was not fragmented and an completely failed country), it gives the right to Houthis to behave even worse and work actively towards the misery and downfall of Yemen? Even worse being a fifth column of a foreign non-Arab entity (Wilayat al-Faqih regime of Tehran) that only uses them as a geopolitical chess piece vis a vis Israel/USA/West? Not caring for the stability of Yemen, Yemeni unity, stability of Arabia etc. at all as they don't even border this region and are only interested (at least until recently) to weaken KSA?

I want to know in what alternative reality are Houthis a good thing for Yemen? In what alternative universe do a 33 year old tribal/militia/terrorist cult speak in the name of 1350 year old Zaydism? If Houthis were so popular in Northwestern Yemen (majority Zaydi) why did they need 20 + year old rebellion against the Yemeni state and 11 years of brute force to even keep their power intact? Why are they met with so much fierce resistance in Taiz (Zaydi majority town) to this date after almost 10 years of siege?

If they care so much about Yemen why are they not working towards Yemeni unity and merging with the Yemeni government and official Yemeni army? Why have they replaced all the previous people in the militarily, bureaucracy etc. with their own loyal people? Why are they trying to change Yemeni culture and Zaydism from within?

What exact gains do they get from being hostile to KSA? If not continued misery?

Short answer, control!
and the rest is just ancillary ... them, their tribe, their ambition and grievance... if they can muster enough mass others will join in... Being Zaydi is only in part and now if Iran and Russia see an opening, an opportunity.

What they do with that power being an underdog is still their prerogative... not too many will take on the only super power and major regional power. They did, do!

 

[_Arabia_]

I don't bash a single Arab nation, nor Arabs as people. It is actions of some, very specific, I speak off...

Your argument, if you don't realize is again, join in! While we have a parallel order, one that can be built upon. It is the lack of spine and submission I speak off...

It is the empowerment of the belligerent, the tyrant by actively promoting, investing and subordinating that I speak off...



Here is the problem...
The Chinese and Russians live in THEIR OWN REALM!
They have a parallel reality and setup. They invested in creating an ecosystem inside and among themselves. The Chinese and Russians for example have their parallel internet, apps, financial system, trade and Military Industrial Complex. The rest of former colonized world doesn't... South America, Africa and Asia.
Russia, till the break up of Soviet Union was running a parallel political paradigm, supported militarily and economically by it... held up and manned by Russians, at loss to them and their cause.
Chinese wait and bid their time... for once the Western order collapses... as the pyramid becomes too top heavy and onerous on the ones shouldering it's pain. They see the writing on the wall... see open ended wars on Muslims, THAT DO NOT SUBMIT, as the preferred fall guys to bring about their reign and keep the west occupied in maintaining its last colony and rearranging Mideast into submission!

I am not against the creation of a parallel Arab or Muslim world order that works outside of the current Western world order. However for various reasons (division of Muslims being the main one- ironically groups such as Houthis are part of this) Muslims are divided into 55 + nation states and Arabs into 20 + nation states.

Arabs did not have a Stalin that with sheer brute force and the killing of 35 + million Russians/USSR citizens and massacres (Holydymor in Ukraine, the Kazakh famine that killed most Kazakh people) etc. could unify all Arabs under one single ideology. Let alone Muslims as a whole for that matter.

You assume that because I rightly am against the the Houthis in the Yemeni context, I must automatically be supporting submission to Zionists/West. This kind of arguments and arguing does not belong on a serious forum.

Maybe, just maybe, I don't support losers and hail losers where said losers after 29 months have killed 1 single Israeli, and in return are hailed as the saviours of the Muslim world. For me this is an insult to the greatness of the Arab and Muslim nation and past accomplishment. In fact it is absolutely laughable to me to even make such a comparison in the first place.

And as for your "regime support", I support the strength, prosperity, unity and stability of KSA (irrespective of who is in power if they are doing a good job overall), Arabia and the Arab world as a whole. I am in support and speak repeatedly of Arab and Muslim unity. But we cannot have unity with regimes (foreign) and terrorist groups/cults/militias whose sole purpose is to undermine and weaken our nation states and groups and to create division, sectarianism etc.

But anyway I am hopeful and fully convinced that we will overcome this current phase and given future demographics (Arabs will number almost 1 billion people in 2050) and the gigantic economic and human potential of the Arab world, we will once again regain our place and strength. No doubt about this in my mind but before this occurs sacrifices will have to be made, enormous ones, just like throughout the past 100 years where our region has been the hotspot of outside meddling, major wars etc. Due to the extreme riches, size, extremely strategic location of the Arab world right in the middle of the world. That is why we are constantly under attack and why so many people seek our destruction. Unfortunately among our "Muslims" friends as well. No need to mention names here, they are clear for all educated Arab Muslims and non-Muslims alike.