Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I am not against the creation of a parallel Arab or Muslim world order that works outside of the current Western world order. However for various reasons (division of Muslims being the main one- ironically groups such as Houthis are part of this) Muslims are divided into 55 + nation states and Arabs into 20 + nation states.

You do... but have no say. The world moved on... instead of propping up and investing in... for example, the petro-dollar is the saving grace for an otherwise bankrupt paradigm that was about to fade away as the current account deficit and the empires deceit got exposed. Printing more than it had... instead helped perpetuate to this day when... it seeks a different benefactor and seeks to orchestrate a recourse and rehabilitate image and bygone glory days... what maga actually means.
They were bankrupt before Soviets! Imagine that...

Arabs did not have a Stalin that with sheer brute force and the killing of 35 + million Russians/USSR citizens and massacres (Holydymor in Ukraine, the Kazakh famine that killed most Kazakh people) etc. could unify all Arabs under one single ideology. Let alone Muslims as a whole for that matter.

Don’t need a Stalin for an alliance... you need that for tyranny and subjugation. Instead, it could have been structured very differently. The manpower in Muslim world was largely intact and would have eagerly joined in for a common cause, should the one with a widely needed resource and its purse had that vision. Success has its own followers... and money the greatest coercion!

Take the course charted for instance... one of exploitation, one of egging on the indenture of poor masses as practiced by the colonials to build the optics for instance.

You assume that because I rightly am against the the Houthis in the Yemeni context, I must automatically be supporting submission to Zionists/West. This kind of arguments and arguing does not belong on a serious forum.

No by not opposing zion and actually ridiculing any hostility towards it you are supporting zion.
By submitting to real or perceived ramifications of such thought or action.

Maybe, just maybe, I don't support losers and hail losers where said losers after 29 months have killed 1 single Israeli, and in return are hailed as the saviours of the Muslim world. For me this is an insult to the greatness of the Arab and Muslim nation and past accomplishment. In fact it is absolutely laughable to me to even make such a comparison in the first place.

No one starts a winner...
We submit to Almighty in the uncharted and unknown... the very essence of our creed.
Submission to no one but ONE!

And as for your "regime support", I support the strength, prosperity, unity and stability of KSA (irrespective of who is in power if they are doing a good job overall), Arabia and the Arab world as a whole. I am in support and speak repeatedly of Arab and Muslim unity. But we cannot have unity with regimes (foreign) and terrorist groups/cults/militias whose sole purpose is to undermine and weaken our nation states and groups and to create division, sectarianism etc.

Division and dissent are core to unresolved or pending grievance... one that didn't conclude to the satisfaction of parties involved. It is easier to sway a disgruntled youth with a grievance by coercing them with money, weapons, fantasies etc.

 

[mulj]

I am a Saudi Arabian with familial ties to Yemen like millions of Saudi Arabians and vice versa. How is that any news or surprising to anyone even remotely familiar with the history of Arabia and the Arabian Peninsula and Arab world as a whole. Vice versa too.

And even if I had no ties to Yemen at all, I would care simply because Yemen is a neigbhoring Arab Muslim nation. With millennia old ties (on most fronts) with KSA. Similar to how I care about Syria and Iraq in particular for the very same reasons, including my own family history.

Yemen is a crucial country for KSA and the stability of KSA (the entire southern flank). Is it so difficult or strange to think that most Saudi Arabians would want a stable and prosperous Yemen next door as that would mean a prosperous and stable Arabia and region?

Again, what has Ali Abdullah Saleh (himself an incompetent and corrupt ruler) to do with Houthis? So if he was bad (he was in many cases but at least Yemen was not fragmented and an completely failed country), it gives the right to Houthis to behave even worse and work actively towards the misery and downfall of Yemen? Even worse being a fifth column of a foreign non-Arab entity (Wilayat al-Faqih regime of Tehran) that only uses them as a geopolitical chess piece vis a vis Israel/USA/West? Not caring for the stability of Yemen, Yemeni unity, stability of Arabia etc. at all as they don't even border this region and are only interested (at least until recently) to weaken KSA?

I want to know in what alternative reality are Houthis a good thing for Yemen? In what alternative universe do a 33 year old tribal/militia/terrorist cult speak in the name of 1350 year old Zaydism? If Houthis were so popular in Northwestern Yemen (majority Zaydi) why did they need 20 + year old rebellion against the Yemeni state and 11 years of brute force to even keep their power intact? Why are they met with so much fierce resistance in Taiz (Zaydi majority town) to this date after almost 10 years of siege?

If they care so much about Yemen why are they not working towards Yemeni unity and merging with the Yemeni government and official Yemeni army? Why have they replaced all the previous people in the militarily, bureaucracy etc. with their own loyal people? Why are they trying to change Yemeni culture and Zaydism from within?

What exact gains do they get from being hostile to KSA? If not continued misery?

Which one exactly, one that sold Socotra island to the uae?

 

[_Arabia_]

Which one exactly, one that sold Socotra island to the uae?

? Yemen did not sold Socotra to UAE. Besides to be brutally honest with you, I don't care if UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, KSA, Oman, Bahrain or Yemen rules any parts x or y of Arabia. Personally I would prefer 1 unified Arabian country. It would be one of the most powerful out there. Problem is that outside powers would not accept this reality and would do everything in order to prevent such a unification project. Just like they are actively preventing the unification of Yemen.

Now, this topic, is a direct consequence of the Yemeni civil war that the Houthis started back in 2014. Same way that I blame the Al-Assad regime for the fragmentation of Syria currently. Not that difficult to understand.

And the UAE in question has done a lot for the people of Socotra to the extend that they are supporting their presence and there being zero armed resistance. UAE, whatever we can say about their foreign policy (I don't like their rule in Yemen either and they were and are at odds with KSA on this front), the people of Socotra have for the first time in modern history been given basic rights and much needed infrastructure projects that have helped their lives. Now, in a perfect world, the UAE should leave Socotra once Yemen reaches stability and is unified.

Cannot even remotely be compared to the harm and incompetence that the Houthis have done in the occupied parts of northwestern Yemen. Nothing but misery and backwardness have they contributed to. I can give you an example. The arable land in northwestern Yemen that is very fertile and could be used to grow everything of fruits, vegetables, coffee, tea and what not, is each month being slowly erased to instead plant khat which is extremely water intensive and which threatens the Yemeni food security and weakens the state. Just 1 tiny example of their incompetence.

Quite frankly, most non-Arabs have no clue about Yemen and the Houthis and their history in the past 33 years and I don't blame them but to try and pain them as some kind of saints or saviours due to token and largely useless "attacks" on Israel is hard to take seriously.

 

[_Arabia_]

You do... but have no say. The world moved on... instead of propping up and investing in... for example, the petro-dollar is the saving grace for an otherwise bankrupt paradigm that was about to fade away as the current account deficit and the empires deceit got exposed. Printing more than it had... instead helped perpetuate to this day when... it seeks a different benefactor and seeks to orchestrate a recourse and rehabilitate image and bygone glory days... what maga actually means.
They were bankrupt before Soviets! Imagine that...


Don’t need a Stalin for an alliance... you need that for tyranny and subjugation. Instead, it could have been structured very differently. The manpower in Muslim world was largely intact and would have eagerly joined in for a common cause, should the one with a widely needed resource and its purse had that vision. Success has its own followers... and money the greatest coercion!

Take the course charted for instance... one of exploitation, one of egging on the indenture of poor masses as practiced by the colonials to build the optics for instance.



No by not opposing zion and actually ridiculing any hostility towards it you are supporting zion.
By submitting to real or perceived ramifications of such thought or action.


No one starts a winner...
We submit to Almighty in the uncharted and unknown... the very essence of our creed.
Submission to no one but ONE!




Division and dissent are core to unresolved or pending grievance... one that didn't conclude to the satisfaction of parties involved. It is easier to sway a disgruntled youth with a grievance by coercing them with money, weapons, fantasies etc.

I am content. KSA is one of the richest and most stable countries on the planet with currently the largest infrastructure boom in the world. A booming economy and booming self-sufficiency on every front, technology, AI, arms industry, agriculture, STEM, science, infrastructure projects, tourism sector, entertainment sector etc. One of the largest trade surpluses of any nations in the world (top 7). A G-20 member state. No territorial challenges. One of the largest sovereign wealth funds worth 1.5 trillion USD. Investments in all main parts of the world. Good, strategic and cordial relations with USA/West, China, Russia and every relevant country. The third richest country in the world in terms of wealth of resources (only Russia and the US have more).

I want the same success for other Arab states.

And who prevented this unity? KSA was a founding state of the Arab League. The first pan-Muslim organisation in history (formal) that predates the UN (!) and the EU. Helped create the IC. Helped create the most powerful and successful Muslim economic and military regional bloc (GCC). What have other Muslim nations done towards unity? We know what Iran has been doing since 1979 (the exact opposite). Rest is pitiful to say the least.

Nothing that you or anyone else writes will change anything on the ground and the past 33 years of the existence of the Houthi terrorist cult. No amount of propaganda can change their history and past actions and no amount of empty propaganda speeches either. Now, if they want to change for the better and do what is logical, I have no problem supporting them. The problem is that this is not happening. I don't care about sects in this regard at all. Besides I consider Zaydis and Sunnis as the same anyway.

 

[mulj]

? Yemen did not sold Socotra to UAE. Besides to be brutally honest with you, I don't care if UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, KSA, Oman, Bahrain or Yemen rules any parts x or y of Arabia. Personally I would prefer 1 unified Arabian country. It would be one of the most powerful out there. Problem is that outside powers would not accept this reality and would do everything in order to prevent such a unification project. Just like they are actively preventing the unification of Yemen.

Now, this topic, is a direct consequence of the Yemeni civil war that the Houthis started back in 2014. Same way that I blame the Al-Assad regime for the fragmentation of Syria currently. Not that difficult to understand.

And the UAE in question has done a lot for the people of Socotra to the extend that they are supporting their presence and there being zero armed resistance. UAE, whatever we can say about their foreign policy (I don't like their rule in Yemen either and they were and are at odds with KSA on this front), the people of Socotra have for the first time in modern history been given basic rights and much needed infrastructure projects that have helped their lives. Now, in a perfect world, the UAE should leave Socotra once Yemen reaches stability and is unified.

Cannot even remotely be compared to the harm and incompetence that the Houthis have done in the occupied parts of northwestern Yemen. Nothing but misery and backwardness have they contributed to. I can give you an example. The arable land in northwestern Yemen that is very fertile and could be used to grow everything of fruits, vegetables, coffee, tea and what not, is each month being slowly erased to instead plant khat which is extremely water intensive and which threatens the Yemeni food security and weakens the state. Just 1 tiny example of their incompetence.

Quite frankly, most non-Arabs have no clue about Yemen and the Houthis and their history in the past 33 years and I don't blame them but to try and pain them as some kind of saints or saviours due to token and largely useless "attacks" on Israel is hard to take seriously.

Yemen controlled by houthies is sanctioned and sealed it is wonder that they can provide anything, frankly their sustainibility is wonder given the fact that they do not any allies.
Maybe i am wrong even for talking to you, you seems decent and nice person, as thing is that when i think more of it arabs are lost cause as champions of muslim world, that is fact needed to be swallowed, they are more obstacle then part of solution, all gulf monarchies are in service of zionists, once that service is terminated than something could change. Harsh reality is that arab gulf states are esencially enemies of palestinian cause and great ally of israel.

 

[_Arabia_]

Yemen controlled by houthies is sanctioned and sealed it is wonder that they can provide anything, frankly their sustainibility is wonder given the fact that they do not any allies.
Maybe i am wrong even for talking to you, you seems decent and nice person, as thing is that when i think more of it arabs are lost cause as champions of muslim world, that is fact needed to be swallowed, they are more obstacle then part of solution, all gulf monarchies are in service of zionists, once that service is terminated than something could change. Harsh reality is that arab gulf states are esencially enemies of palestinian cause and great ally of israel.

Seems like the have enough of money to create a potent military force, the strongest of any militia on the planet. Maybe they should have spent a part of that to serve the Yemeni people and not create a hellhole that otherwise has a huge potential.

Arabs don't need any of that to be brutally honest with you. We already control all the main Muslim holy sites (Makkah, Madinah, Al-Quds and for the Shias Karbala and Najaf), we control one of the largest land masses on the planet spanning 2 continents comparable in size to Russia, we have been blessed with one of the biggest natural resources and mineral wealth on the planet (KSA alone is the third richest country on the planet after Russia and USA), we control some of the most important and strategic waterways on the planet, we have 10's of trillions of worth just in sovereign wealth funds, untold human capital and potential (by 2050 there will be almost 1 billion Arabs), strategic depth and what not. Nothing any other Muslims can compete with to be honest. But this is why the Arab world has been under continous attack by the West and other foreigners, the Iranian Wilayat al-Faqih regime since 1979, Zionists and others. Arabs have no need nor desire to dominate/rule any non-Arab Muslims we have everything within our own lands already and more than that.

 

[mulj]

Seems like the have enough of money to create a potent military force, the strongest of any militia on the planet. Maybe they should have spent a part of that to serve the Yemeni people and not create a hellhole that otherwise has a huge potential.

Arabs don't need any of that to be brutally honest with you. We already control all the main Muslim holy sites (Makkah, Madinah, Al-Quds and for the Shias Karbala and Najaf), we control one of the largest land masses on the planet spanning 2 continents comparable in size to Russia, we have been blessed with one of the biggest natural resources and mineral wealth on the planet (KSA alone is the third richest country on the planet after Russia and USA), we control some of the most important and strategic waterways on the planet, we have 10's of trillions of worth just in sovereign wealth funds, untold human capital and potential (by 2050 there will be almost 1 billion Arabs), strategic depth and what not. Nothing any other Muslims can compete with to be honest. But this is why the Arab world has been under continous attack by the West and other foreigners, the Iranian Wilayat al-Faqih regime since 1979, Zionists and others. Arabs have no need nor desire to dominate/rule any non-Arab Muslims we have everything within our own lands already and more than that.

No you do not, that is illusion generated by petrodollars, your participation in that american project did not come without price which is basically full political and military slavery. Once you shake that or it comes to end due some unknown reasons, that whole illusion will fadee out as house of cards, so you tied your destiny with americans, comfortable choice but no autonomy anymore.
Yemen at least stands for something clear without blurring and spinning.

 

[_Arabia_]

No you do not, that is illusion generated by petrodollars, your participation in that american project did not come without price which is basically full political and military slavery. Once you shake that or it comes to end due some unknown reasons, that whole illusion will fadee out as house of cards, so you tied your destiny with americans, comfortable choice but no autonomy anymore.
Yemen at least stands for something clear without blurring and spinning.

What I wrote are geographical, economic (in terms of economy, resources, mineral wealth), demographical (also nothing to do with politics), human potential (same thing) etc. facts that cannot be denied.

By the same token the entire West/NATO are military slaves to the US, Bosnia included.

I don't see any slavery, I see KSA (under MbS) for the first time in modern history achieving (slowly but steadily) independence and at least an active aim/work towards strategic independence on numerous fronts while successfully maneuvering main powers while at the same time being able to achieve cordial and strategic ties with rivals which very few countries are able to. Slavery is Europe/West/EU, that does whatever the US ask/demands of them. One only needs to see their actions after the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Complete opposite to KSA that even began to buy Russian oil to sell it more expensive afterwards and who imported Russian weapons, signed strategic deals with Russia and did not agree to lower oil production per US demands. Far less slavery than whatever Europe is doing.

And the living evidence of this is that KSA is hosting direct Russian-Ukrainain/US negotiation to stop the conflict. Which would never happen if Russia considered KSA a brainless puppet of the US like they do with the US/West that they have ignored altogether.

You are severely underestimating KSA here.

@The SC

 

[mulj]

What I wrote are geographical, economic (in terms of economy, resources, mineral wealth), demographical (also nothing to do with politics), human potential (same thing) etc. facts that cannot be denied.

Potential is nothing until materialized in concrete value.

By the same token the entire West/NATO are military slaves to the US, Bosnia included.

Indeed, but europe at least is aware of it now and try some weak attempts to shake off it while you are sending each year huge chunk of money of mafia protection supplier in usal

I don't see any slavery, I see KSA (under MbS) for the first time in modern history achieving (slowly but steadily) independence and at least an active aim/work towards strategic independence on numerous fronts while successfully maneuvering main powers while at the same time being able to achieve cordial and strategic ties with rivals which very few countries are able to. Slavery is Europe/West/EU, that does whatever the US ask/demands of them. One only needs to see their actions after the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Complete opposite to KSA that even began to buy Russian oil to sell it more expensive afterwards and who imported Russian weapons, signed strategic deals with Russia and did not agree to lower oil production per US demands. Far less slavery than whatever Europe is doing.

So why are you silent and non critical towards usa regarding palestinian struggle, has it something with Hamas ideological affiliation, it is no news that they are smeared heavily in SA which is disgracefull.

And the living evidence of this is that KSA is hosting direct Russian-Ukrainain/US negotiation to stop the conflict. Which would never happen if Russia considered KSA a brainless puppet of the US like they do with the US/West that they have ignored altogether.

Which is even more tragic as you can not extort that kind of influence for you own kin.

You are severely underestimating KSA here.

@The SC

As any observer from outside would, based on available information and wider geopolitical contexts.

 

[_Arabia_]

Potential is nothing until materialized in concrete value.

Indeed, but europe at least is aware of it now and try some weak attempts to shake off it while you are sending each year huge chunk of money of mafia protection supplier in usal

So why are you silent and non critical towards usa regarding palestinian struggle, has it something with Hamas ideological affiliation, it is no news that they are smeared heavily in SA which is disgracefull.

Which is even more tragic as you can not extort that kind of influence for you own kin.



As any observer from outside would, based on available information and wider geopolitical contexts.

The combined Arab world having the 6th or 5th largest economy in the world is not concrete enough? Arabs in the GCC alone having the largest sovereign wealth funds (combined) in the world is not evidence? Having one of the largest trade surpluses is not evidence? One of the smallest debts is not evidence? Having enormous investments across the world is not evidence? The GCC being the most successful (by far) Muslim regional bloc on the planet? Which other such blocs even exist in the first place? Can you mention just 1 such economic, political and military Muslim regional bloc? The Arab League predating even the UN is not a fact either? The creation of OIC? KSA has done its sheer part to work towards Muslim and Arab unity.

Those are concrete examples. Same with the geography/size of the Arab world, the control of main/global waterways, demographics (current and future), potential etc. I am not making this up for the sake of it.

Not really, KSA has a trade surplus with the US. KSA is investing everywhere where there is money to be made. Successfully at that too. You just need to look at the growth of the PIF.

Nonsense. KSA is doing everything that it can politically. Problem is that you seem not to know or ignore wilfully that the Zionists are ruling the US/West/NATO and their most dear place on the planet is Israel.

The American/Westerners opposed to this Zionist slavery cannot do anything to stop it (their own countries !) but you expect Arabs to do it when nobody else can?

Hamas is not smeared in KSA. Show any evidence of this (outside of propaganda). KSA does not like their cooperation with Iran or the MB (in the past) goal of toppling all Arab regimes to install their own. Not the way forward either. Otherwise there are no ideological problems at all. And among the people (most important thing here), 99% support Hamas, me included.

Once again, I need to remind you of facts here. It is KSA that was/is behind the Arab Peace initiative. The most comprehensive Arab peace proposal. It was created almost 25 years ago and has been adopted as the OFFICIAL state policy of the Arab world. Every Arab state agrees with it and recently the Arab League unanimously agreed with it as well. It was Israel (that once again) refused it.

Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

KSA hosting direct US/Russian and Ukrainian negotiations is a living proof of your theory not being real here and me being right on this front. You already know that there is no comparison with Europe/EU/West here. The Russians simply don't even take Europe into consideration as an independent entity. They don't even want to include Europe in the negotiations. If they wanted they would not have chosen KSA but some European country. On the other hand the Russians trust KSA as a fair broker and the proof of this has been seen in the extent of KSA-Russia relations since the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

 

[mulj]

The combined Arab world having the 6th or 5th largest economy in the world is not concrete enough?

Not really, it is each country for itself, easy geopolitical prey

Arabs in the GCC alone having the largest sovereign wealth funds (combined) in the world is not evidence? Having one of the largest trade surpluses is not evidence? One of the smallest debts is not evidence? Having enormous investments across the world is not evidence? The GCC being the most successful (by far) Muslim regional bloc on the planet? Which other such blocs even exist in the first place? Can you mention just 1 such economic, political and military Muslim regional bloc? The Arab League predating even the UN is not a fact either? The creation of OIC? KSA has done its sheer part to work towards Muslim and Arab unity.

Bro, i will reply in joke manner, for muslims donated dates for ramadan, oil and money for kafirs.

Those are concrete examples. Same with the geography/size of the Arab world, the control of main/global waterways, demographics (current and future), potential etc. I am not making this up for the sake of it.

Also not important as that potential is not concentrated and governed from one center.

Not really, KSA has a trade surplus with the US. KSA is investing everywhere where there is money to be made. Successfully at that too. You just need to look at the growth of the PIF.

Not where it really matters which is your security but i will be honest and acknowledge that you are trying to divert yourself from that dependency.

Nonsense. KSA is doing everything that it can politically. Problem is that you seem not to know or ignore wilfully that the Zionists are ruling the US/West/NATO and their most dear place on the planet is Israel.

I am not sure that you do, one public call against and abandoning so called abraham accords would shatter regional political scene, on te other hand we have constant speculation about normalisation with zios.

The American/Westerners opposed to this Zionist slavery cannot do anything to stop it (their own countries !) but you expect Arabs to do it when nobody else can?

One word King Faisal.

Hamas is not smeared in KSA. Show any evidence of this (outside of propaganda). KSA does not like their cooperation with Iran or the MB (in the past) goal of toppling all Arab regimes to install their own. Not the way forward either. Otherwise there are no ideological problems at all. And among the people (most important thing here), 99% support Hamas, me included.

Glad to hear that, regarding cooperation they have to cooperate with anybody for their survival if you are bothered that it is Iran, nobody prevent you to take their place, i am pretty sure Hamas would accept that wholeheartedly.

Once again, I need to remind you of facts here. It is KSA that was/is behind the Arab Peace initiative. The most comprehensive Arab peace proposal. It was created almost 25 years ago and has been adopted as the OFFICIAL state policy of the Arab world. Every Arab state agrees with it and recently the Arab League unanimously agreed with it as well. It was Israel (that once again) refused it.

Well it does not obviously, meanwhile jews occupied entity is normalized among several arab countries.

Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

KSA hosting direct US/Russian and Ukrainian negotiations is a living proof of your theory not being real here and me being right on this front. You already know that there is no comparison with Europe/EU/West here. The Russians simply don't even take Europe into consideration as an independent entity. They don't even want to include Europe in the negotiations. If they wanted they would not have chosen KSA but some European country. On the other hand the Russians trust KSA as a fair broker and the proof of this has been seen in the extent of KSA-Russia relations since the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

Frankly i did not pay to much attention on that aspect of SA geopolicy and have no objection for your diplomatic reputation claims but for Palestine it really does not mean much, well established money and weapons corridor through Jordan and Egypt would mean much more.

 

[_Arabia_]

Not really, it is each country for itself, easy geopolitical prey

Bro, i will reply in joke manner, for muslims donated dates for ramadan, oil and money for kafirs.


Also not important as that potential is not concentrated and governed from one center.

Not where it really matters which is your security but i will be honest and acknowledge that you are trying to divert yourself from that dependency.

I am not sure that you do, one public call against and abandoning so called abraham accords would shatter regional political scene, on te other hand we have constant speculation about normalisation with zios.

One word King Faisal.


Glad to hear that, regarding cooperation they have to cooperate with anybody for their survival if you are bothered that it is Iran, nobody prevent you to take their place, i am pretty sure Hamas would accept that wholeheartedly.

Well it does not obviously, meanwhile jews occupied entity is normalized among several arab countries.

Frankly i did not pay to much attention on that aspect of SA geopolicy and have no objection for your diplomatic reputation claims but for Palestine it really does not mean much, well established money and weapons corridor through Jordan and Egypt would mean much more.

Sure, same thing with the entire Muslim world and the world as a whole in fact. Case in point the panic of the EU/Europe in recent months due to the actions of Trump. They have seen how vulnerable they truly have always been without the US support.

You are parroting this myth of the West being reliant on Saudi Arabian and Arab oil. That ended decades ago and when they were reliant on it, the Arab Oil embargo occurred which was led by KSA and which to date has been the most destructive Muslim (economical) decision against the West to date.

Arab oil embargo | History, Cause, Impact, & Definition | Britannica

Arab oil embargo, temporary cessation of oil shipments from the Middle East to the United States, the Netherlands, and others in 1973–74, in retaliation for their support of Israel during the Yom Kippur War. The U.S. decision to release the dollar from the gold standard years earlier also...

www.britannica.com

I posted this in another thread a while ago, almost all of Saudi Arabia's oil exports are not going to the West but Asia.



This is data from 2020.

https://www.eia.gov/international/content/analysis/countries_long/saudi_arabia/saudi_arabia.pdf

In 2024 it was even less.

This is data from May 2024:

Source:

Weekly Insights 29 Mar 2024: Saudi Exports, FDI, Unemployment & Monetary Indicators – an update - Nasser Saidi & Associates

Sure, but it could become governed by one or a few centers like throughout most of recorded history. Why not? Who knows what will happen in 10-20-30 let alone 50-100 years?

Security from whom? Who can invade KSA or is a threat to us in the first place? And as far as security goes, take a look at the "Made in KSA" thread on the Arab section. I have seen, just today, that @The SC has made roughly 100 (!) posts, all containing important advancements in the domestic Saudi Arabian arms industry.

But the Abraham/Ibrahim accords are not the idea of KSA and KSA has never signed it in the first place. KSA's public opinion, stated 1 billion times, is very clear and is that of the Arab Peace Initiative. For KSA to ever establish ties with Israel for the first time in history. This is not something that I have invented for the occasion but something that have been stated time and time again. If/when KSA signs such a deal (which I am personally totally against), you can have a point and make fair criticism, and I will join you for sure because KSA is not perfect, no country is, and I have never claimed such a thing as it would make no sense and be sheer kufr in fact

Which again has nothing to do with KSA, the normalization bit. But look, Turkey was the first Muslim nation to recognize Israel almost 70 + years ago (if not more) and they still trade with them to this day. There is Azerbaijan as well which has incredibly close ties to Israel. Why only focus on Arabs here? I find it strange. Call out everyone equally, that is something I would be doing.

Which again, KSA does not border Israel directly and KSA cannot dictate what Egypt (military junta) and Jordan (one of the main Western allies in the region and even closer to the West than KSA) must do. If we had a direct border we could talk.

 

[mulj]

@_Arabia_

Brief answer, when i said King Faisal i did not mean to literally replicate oil embargo, what i meant is his stance and determination, you have much more instruments then he had.
Other point about Arab official policy you said yourself that arab world follows SA official position which is simply not true.
And at end do not understand my writing as criticism of your country it is not my place to do so, i merely give and share some inputs about things how i see them.

 

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