Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[hussain0216]

Keep the border closed

Until the Afghans agree to respecting the border and stopping terrorists, then border will be sealed for all traffic and trade

The only time the border should be opened is to kick the remaining Afghans out

Be diligent in finding Afghans in every city and town and village, anyone without valid or false documents NEEDS TO BE GONE

 

[Master Chief]

It would be a foolish move from India and they will further alienate themselves. It serves no purpose. Trump has already stated 60 times no wars, Saudi have entered into a defence pact. India can posture all they want but they will not attack. As far as Pakistan is concerned now they can go f**k themselves.

That leaves us with the talibs.

We are running low on options for the talibs.

Let me state/re-state the obvious for all forum goers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this the calculus that has brought us to today.

1) The talibs are already and quite brazenly in a state of war (be it cold or be it kinetic) with the state of Pakistan.

2) Any Kabul regime will regard the Durand line as non-applicable. The talibs are simply most inclined to deploy terrorism as a weapon against our western border out of all available options for governance in Kabul - a NA or Hekmatyar-esque government is far less likely to pursue aggression and terrorism as a means to alter the status quo with Islamabad.

3) India is actively courted by the current regime as a strategic partner.

4) No other nation - Islamic, dharmic, or otherwise - has any sympathy or concern for the Talibs whatsoever, and as such, will not mind seeing them fall.

5) The minorities in Afg and Afg women will happily see the Talibs fall.

6) The Talibs are already attacking us with the best modes of warfare they can deploy ("irregular" methods essentially).

In summation, Talibs cannot hurt us significantly more than they already have demonstrated and nobody will weep for them or protect them if we choose to hurt them more.

There is NO GOOD REASON for us to not deploy full spectrum military and economic dominance over the Kabul regime AT THIS POINT IN TIME, as we can squeeze them out of the game.

Don't forget - a week ago Kabul was asking for dialogue. We gave them dialogue, only for them to stall, delay, misdirect, circumnavigate, and outright reject our demands.

It is time to thrash them decisively and keep Hindustan on watch in the east. Hindustan won't attack us this year.

I now believe that - on balance - it would be in our interests to co-opt USA involvement by encouraging their occupation of Bagram also. This should be facilitated by us on condition of direct or indirect assistance in overthrowing the Talibs once and for all.

I want to see those bstard cavemen who dare to fly around at Qatar's expense without knowing the first thing about civilised discourse now hanged from a crane.

It can all be done. Now is the time.

 

[Reddington]

It would be a foolish move from India and they will further alienate themselves. It serves no purpose. Trump has already stated 60 times no wars, Saudi have entered into a defence pact. India can posture all they want but they will not attack. As far as Pakistan is concerned now they can go f**k themselves.

That leaves us with the talibs.

What Americans says publicly and what they actually do are worlds apart.
They have sinister plans for the Middle East and for that Pakistan has to be engaged with India/Afghanistan to stop Pakistan from interfering.

 

[RocketLaw]

Keep the border closed

Until the Afghans agree to respecting the border and stopping terrorists, then border will be sealed for all traffic and trade

The only time the border should be opened is to kick the remaining Afghans out

Be diligent in finding Afghans in every city and town and village, anyone without valid or false documents NEEDS TO BE GONE

Don't open the border until Afghans govt sign the Durand Line agreement and public speech along with Pakistan before we allow to open the borders.

 

[PK781]

What Americans says publicly and what they actually do are worlds apart.
They have sinister plans for the Middle East and for that Pakistan has to be engaged with India/Afghanistan to stop Pakistan from interfering.

america and its MIC have vested interests to keep conflicts and wars running everywhere so they can continue to sell their weapons.
they and their buds in the UK are the real planners and troublemakers around the world. Look how much of the corruption money lands in the UK and US of all places.
(the west in general)
What they don't sell weapons to, are countries like Pakistan and Iran and Turkiye bcaz they fear it may be used against their interests

Pakistan has to come out of this "friendship zone" type bullshit from chacha trump and focus and partner with China and Turkiye.

Time to teach afghandus a lasting lesson for their treacherous behaviours and kick them out of Pakistan. Kill anyone that refuses to leave. No mercy or sympathy for any of them. Can't have these snakes inside Pak territory as they're a national security threat and they will become a problem for our people as well as our forces. NEVER offer these people any Pakistani documents!! They can go get it in kabul or kandahar. Stop giving them any visas for any reason, let em go to their qatari/uae/indian buds instead
I dont even know why we're allowing any flights to their airliners into our country.
Makes no sense at all

 

[PakistanLVR]

What Americans says publicly and what they actually do are worlds apart.
They have sinister plans for the Middle East and for that Pakistan has to be engaged with India/Afghanistan to stop Pakistan from interfering.

This. They are without honor ...same goes for the Saudis. We've seen them go dark when the Falastini were being murdered and raped. This plan to bring Pakistan as a defense partner is only to tie them to the "Islamic brotherhood" and basically have the gatekeeper Western bootlicker Arab to keep all the major powerful Islamic nations down and on their knees. They gelded the Egyptians and want to do the same to the Pakistanis. They will never help Pakistan against the Hindus as the Hindus are strategic partners of the Jews to squeeze the Islamic world between two pincers.

 

[Oscar]

Correct.

When we did that scenario - “Kashmir Fire” in command wargame. It was dismissed as nonsense.

But all it did was talk to scenario where Pakistan faced simultaneously -

India - launching a cold start type scenario.

A “northern force” of breakaway insurgents with former PA elements - potentially talking to GB and KP breakaway elements assisted by Taliban.

In it China gets involved very late stage once it realizes Pakistani lines are crumbling - while India looks to US support to rapidly secure Islamabad to prevent nuclear exchanges

Far fetched then but today you have elements of Pashtun nationalism being stroked at provincial level - what percentage of PA is Pashtun?
Who is supporting them?
You have the BLA and other elements running their campaign

And the US hasn’t given you any tacit support or otherwise.

Some of these think tanks aren’t so much speculating as much as suggesting.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Don't open the border until Afghans govt sign the Durand Line agreement and public speech along with Pakistan before we allow to open the borders.

I am puzzled why we don't heavily mine the Pak-Afghanistan borders so that not even a rabbit can hop across without getting it's rear blown off.
There are some effective land and air mine laying equipment.

 

[muz]

When we did that scenario - “Kashmir Fire” in command wargame. It was dismissed as nonsense.

But all it did was talk to scenario where Pakistan faced simultaneously -

India - launching a cold start type scenario.

A “northern force” of breakaway insurgents with former PA elements - potentially talking to GB and KP breakaway elements assisted by Taliban.

In it China gets involved very late stage once it realizes Pakistani lines are crumbling - while India looks to US support to rapidly secure Islamabad to prevent nuclear exchanges

Far fetched then but today you have elements of Pashtun nationalism being stroked at provincial level - what percentage of PA is Pashtun?
Who is supporting them?
You have the BLA and other elements running their campaign

And the US hasn’t given you any tacit support or otherwise.

Some of these think tanks aren’t so much speculating as much as suggesting.

Pashtun Nationalism is only stoked by some few fringe elements as far as it being on Provincial lvl if the Political circus ends which has been going on since 2022 and run by Certain elements of the Military
Political Circus elements of the military needs to know that these things cause Societal chaos until they learn these lessons these things will eventually repeat again and again

 

[Exped-33]

Anyone tell KP new CM that Taliban and TTP has killed more Pashtoons than Army or anyone else, if people of KPK really buys into this pushtoon nationalism and side with Afghan Taliban with whom no one wants to even talk except India who is funding them because of hate towards Pakistan than I have serious concerns for KPK people, and their IQ. But then again if KPK & balochistan people were somewhat smart or intelligent then we will have 80K civilians alive, hundreds of girls schools not blown and several thousands soldiers still alive.

Only Solution I see is that keep pounding AT, and divide that country as in Balkanized it and let them fight each other, meanwhile hit TTP across the border and worse AT/TTP can do is ground incursions and suicide attacks, which they will abuse Islam for even more, typical of them... But if we keep bombing them and take some causalities in consideration than slowly and gradually the attacks will slow down, I know we need to do massive bombing campaign across the border and take out any solid structure within 30km of Pak-AFG border, close all trade and seal the border, send all remaining afghans back and anyone from KPK who wants Shariah law understand Taliban should be given free access and even some cash to leave.

Very well said. Another thing to note here, which is for those who fear ttp retaliation is that we faced the worst kind of violence during 2008 - 2014 from ttp. Attacks on GHQ, PNS Mehran, PaF Kamra, Parade Lane Mosque, Marriott bombing and the absolute worst of worst - the Army Public School.

When I look at that pedigree of violence perpetrated by this group, two things come to mind. #1, what kind of nation must we be to make peace deals with this group. #2, what more can they do which they havent done already.

 

[Waterboy]

Pashtun Nationalism is only stoked by some few fringe elements as far as it being on Provincial lvl if the Political circus ends which has been going on since 2022 and run by Certain elements of the Military
Political Circus elements of the military needs to know that these things cause Societal chaos until they learn these lessons these things will eventually repeat again and again

Retarded take: PTI is actively pushing the pashtun card and it all began with Khan opposing military operations and using national security as leverage to stage his comeback. He’s tried everything in his playbook botching the IMF program, halting remittances by telling overseas pakistani to not send them, pressuring the military through U.S. sanctions, and now finally playing the ethnic card. At 73, he’s clearly pursuing scorched-earth politics, seemingly indifferent to Pakistan’s future since he won’t be around much longer.

Now he’s appointed a CM in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa who openly uses ethnic slurs and constantly plays the Pashtun card. And for what? The guy has been in power for just 13 days and still doesn’t have a cabinet. It feels like PTI is actively undermining the state itself. Khan’s extreme tweets on Afghanistan only reinforce how far he’s willing to push the Pashtun agenda. Afghans are not our brothers, the sooner we recognize this, the better. They are stoking Pashtun nationalism and reviving the Durand Line narrative to further their expansionist, Pashtun-supremacist agenda, which has been evident on Twitter over the past two weeks. Khan’s reckless tweets have given this movement new life. He is literally a menace.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The BD Muslims "collectively" learnt what Bharat is on Dec 17, 1971. Out of 54 common rivers with Bharat, she has built dams on all of them. It causes severe floods each year. Not to mention the political, military and economic dominance via all means possible by killing BD from inside. Folks who're putting their trust on Bharat should take lessons.....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

When we did that scenario - “Kashmir Fire” in command wargame. It was dismissed as nonsense.

But all it did was talk to scenario where Pakistan faced simultaneously -

India - launching a cold start type scenario.

A “northern force” of breakaway insurgents with former PA elements - potentially talking to GB and KP breakaway elements assisted by Taliban.

In it China gets involved very late stage once it realizes Pakistani lines are crumbling - while India looks to US support to rapidly secure Islamabad to prevent nuclear exchanges

Far fetched then but today you have elements of Pashtun nationalism being stroked at provincial level - what percentage of PA is Pashtun?
Who is supporting them?
You have the BLA and other elements running their campaign

And the US hasn’t given you any tacit support or otherwise.

Some of these think tanks aren’t so much speculating as much as suggesting.

As such, I would suggest Pakistan to do a "stress test" by taking out the HVTs (leadership, military installations including border posts, electricity sub-stations, oil depots and tankers, arms depots, runways, comms, critical tunnels that connect the highways etc.) all over Afghanistan on an urgent basis.....

 

[Oscar]

Pashtun Nationalism is only stoked by some few fringe elements as far as it being on Provincial lvl if the Political circus ends which has been going on since 2022 and run by Certain elements of the Military
Political Circus elements of the military needs to know that these things cause Societal chaos until they learn these lessons these things will eventually repeat again and again

It is a dangerous fire that if left unchecked can cause serious issues.
Sohail Afridi for e.g. is using straightforward nationalist language instead of sticking to PTI specific narratives.
He hasnt even bothered acknowledging non Pashtun wings or members of the PTI.

 

[Waterboy]

It is a dangerous fire that if left unchecked can cause serious issues.
Sohail Afridi for e.g. is using straightforward nationalist language instead of sticking to PTI specific narratives.
He hasnt even bothered acknowledging non Pashtun wings or members of the PTI.

Another one of Imran Khan’s questionable appointments. He has developed a pattern of placing incompetent individuals in key positions, leading to repeated failures, Asad Umar, Buzdar, Gandapur and now afridi....the list keeps growing