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[MMM-E]

I'm just saying the price is too expensive, not that the Turkish choice is wrong.

Its not expensive ... We are buying the best Fighter in Europe with huge missile , munition , engine and spare parts storage

Secondly, if KAAN chooses EJ200, then the EF-200 is more advantageous for maintenance and logistics. Considering that Israel's actions are getting crazier and crazier, it is understandable for KAAN to compromise on the engine in for early entry into service.

EJ-200 has lbf of 20,200 with afterburner
2 x EJ-200 engines : 40.400 lbf

KAAN using 2 x F-110 Engines ( each 29,000 lbf with afterburner )
total of 58.000 lbf

KAAN needs 3 x EJ-200 engines for its current performance

KAAN with domestic engine
2 x TF-35.000 engines : total of 70.000 lbf

The Turkish military industrial complex is more than capable to develop something better than the 30 year old jet, you have said that yourself

Problem is not Platform
Turkiye has developed KAAN which is better than all 4,5 gen Fighters


Problem is time to develop 35.000 lbf next gen Turbofan Engine
Turkiye needs min 7 years to produce KAAN with domestic Engine

We can not wait for 7 years without new Fighter Jets
Countries in the region bought RAFALE , SU-35 , F-15EX

 

[KingQamaR]

TEI has only completed the design phase for your TF35000. They have yet to make a prototype. You are looking years from even getting working prototype engine.

 

[KingQamaR]

40 Typhoons is a short number mix of 20 new and 20 old jets. Turkey will now get a single squadron equipped with Typhoons

 

[Foinikas]

We can not wait for 7 years without new Fighter Jets
Countries in the region bought RAFALE , SU-35 , F-15EX

So for 7 years,you'll spend more than 10 billion euros,who knows how much more,for FOS for new installations,for new logistics chain,for spare parts,for a lot of things. When at the same time you tell us that if there was a war right now,Turkey could easily destroy pathetic Greece and tiny Israel,while Russia could not win in Syria(according to your words)

So,how come you can easily take on all these countries with your ballistic missiles,cruise missiles,UAVs,network centric warfare and Navy,but at the same time you are afraid to wait 7 years without a brand new jet fighter. It's kinda baffling.

 

[Yasser76]

So for 7 years,you'll spend more than 10 billion euros,who knows how much more,for FOS for new installations,for new logistics chain,for spare parts,for a lot of things. When at the same time you tell us that if there was a war right now,Turkey could easily destroy pathetic Greece and tiny Israel,while Russia could not win in Syria(according to your words)

So,how come you can easily take on all these countries with your ballistic missiles,cruise missiles,UAVs,network centric warfare and Navy,but at the same time you are afraid to wait 7 years without a brand new jet fighter. It's kinda baffling.

Dude, you really do seem to bait people sometimes and go off topic, then cry about it when others point it out

 

[Foinikas]

Dude, you really do seem to bait people sometimes and go off topic, then cry about it when others point it out

HOW AM I BAITING THEM TO GO OFF TOPIC?!

Look at what he says! HE MENTIONED IT! He said it! I'm just replying. Do you see me saying something illogical or weird?! What the...

Spending 4 years on PDF I've seen countless posts by certain people claiming all these 3 countries are the main reason Turkey can't wait for 5-7 years without a new jet fighter. So far,so good? Ok. And at the same time,in every discussion the same people claim the Turkish Armed Forces can easily destroy these countries in a war. That's all I'm saying.

There's 3 pages of Chinese,Pak and others talking about if Turkey should wait for the KAAN or not and you blame me of "baiting" people...

 

[MMM-E]

So for 7 years,you'll spend more than 10 billion euros,who knows how much more,for FOS for new installations,for new logistics chain,for spare parts,for a lot of things. When at the same time you tell us that if there was a war right now,Turkey could easily destroy pathetic Greece and tiny Israel,while Russia could not win in Syria(according to your words)

$10 billion is nothing for Turkiye ( with $1,54 trillion of GDP )
Turkiye spent over $100 billion for humanitarian aid to other Muslim Countries

We would modernize Turkish Armed Forces ( Army-Navy-Air Force ) for $100 billion


We need to protect our national security and trillion Dollars of gas-oil reserves in the Eastern Mediterranean


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The small countries in the region do not have the courage and strength to fight alone against Turkiye, but with the support of the USA and France, they are trying to squeeze Turkiye in Cyprus and the Eastern Mediterranean.

also Russia-Iran is still a potential threat to Turkiye over Azerbaijan

 

[Yasser76]

HOW AM I BAITING THEM TO GO OFF TOPIC?!

Look at what he says! HE MENTIONED IT! He said it! I'm just replying. Do you see me saying something illogical or weird?! What the...

Spending 4 years on PDF I've seen countless posts by certain people claiming all these 3 countries are the main reason Turkey can't wait for 5-7 years without a new jet fighter. So far,so good? Ok. And at the same time,in every discussion the same people claim the Turkish Armed Forces can easily destroy these countries in a war. That's all I'm saying.

There's 3 pages of Chinese,Pak and others talking about if Turkey should wait for the KAAN or not and you blame me of "baiting" people...

Blame others, own your behaviour dude.

Really, it gets incredibly boring for the rest of us, and Mods have already warned you.

 

[Foinikas]

Blame others, own your behaviour dude.

Really, it gets incredibly boring for the rest of us, and Mods have already warned you.

But I'm not baiting anyone,it's a discussion and we're discussing things. Why are always so suspicious?!

 

[MMM-E]

TEI has only completed the design phase for your TF35000. They have yet to make a prototype. You are looking years from even getting working prototype engine.

Dont worry
Everybody will see the first prototype and ignition in 2026-2027 period

and the first flight with KAAN in 2029-2030 period

 

[wifi909]

Its not expensive ... We are buying the best Fighter in Europe with huge missile , munition , engine and spare parts storage





EJ-200 has lbf of 20,200 with afterburner
2 x EJ-200 engines : 40.400 lbf

KAAN using 2 x F-110 Engines ( each 29,000 lbf with afterburner )
total of 58.000 lbf

KAAN needs 3 x EJ-200 engines for its current performance

KAAN with domestic engine
2 x TF-35.000 engines : total of 70.000 lbf





Problem is not Platform
Turkiye has developed KAAN which is better than all 4,5 gen Fighters
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Problem is time to develop 35.000 lbf next gen Turbofan Engine
Turkiye needs min 7 years to produce KAAN with domestic Engine

We can not wait for 7 years without new Fighter Jets
Countries in the region bought RAFALE , SU-35 , F-15EX

T4 Typhoon is indeed the best 4.5gen fighters. The J-10C, F-16 and Rafale all have relatively obvious shorcomings. The only ones that can be compared with it are the F-15EX and J-16. Both are very expensive too. If it's 10 billion for 44jets, that's a normal price. But if it's 10 billion for 20jets, that's indeed outrageously expensive.

 

[KingQamaR]

Dont worry
Everybody will see the first prototype and ignition in 2026-2027 period

and the first flight with KAAN in 2029-2030 period

With US blocking its engine sales to you. Your KAAN jet design the whole plane was around that US engine. Now you use a new engine , you have to redesign the KAAN so much it’s not same plane. Unless you so this problem coming from the US , and the KAAN engine compartments was built large enough to accommodate all the alternatives. In that case KAAN does not need to be redesigned? Is that right!

 

[MMM-E]

With US blocking its engine sales to you. Your KAAN jet design the whole plane was around that US engine. Now you use a new engine , you have to redesign the KAAN so much it’s not same plane. Unless you so this problem coming from the US , and the KAAN engine compartments was built large enough to accommodate all the alternatives. In that case KAAN does not need to be redesigned? Is that right!

No need to redesign the KAAN
KAAN mass production was planned using a domestic engine, not a foreign one.

So , Turkish Engineers designed the KAAN to use indigenous Engine in mass production phase

KAAN can use even Chinese WS-10B Engine

KAAN's future is in no way dependent on the Engine of a single Country.

 

[KingQamaR]

T4 Typhoon is indeed the best 4.5gen fighters. The J-10C, F-16 and Rafale all have relatively obvious shorcomings. The only ones that can be compared with it are the F-15EX and J-16. Both are very expensive too. If it's 10 billion for 44jets, that's a normal price. But if it's 10 billion for 20jets, that's indeed outrageously expensive.

PAF JC-10c shot down Qatars latest Typhoon fighters in a mock exercises 9/0 recently. Same argument was said about french Rafale jet fighter best 4.5 Gen on current market. I won’t deny, Typhoon jet is an Air-Superiority fighter vs Rafale a multi role aircraft. In the age of BVR JC-10c PL15/PL16 have the edge. Typhoon is equipped with Meteorite missile the ones Indian IAF were carrying when they went down too PAF.

 

[MMM-E]

T4 Typhoon is indeed the best 4.5gen fighters. The J-10C, F-16 and Rafale all have relatively obvious shorcomings. The only ones that can be compared with it are the F-15EX and J-16. Both are very expensive too. If it's 10 billion for 44jets, that's a normal price. But if it's 10 billion for 20jets, that's indeed outrageously expensive.

The USA had invoiced $23 billion for the purchase of 40 F-16Vs

-- 40 new F-16 block70 ( 32 F-16C and 8 F-16D )
-- Modernization kits for 79 existing F-16 aircraft to V-Configuration.
-- 48 F110-GE-129D Engines
-- 149 Improved Programmable Display Generators (iPDG)
-- 149 AN/APG-83 AESA Scalable Agile Beam Radars
-- 169 Modular Mission Computers (MMC) 7000AHC

-- 159 Embedded Global Positioning System (GPS) Inertial Navigation Systems (INS) (EGI) with Selective Availability Anti-Spoofing Module (SAASM)

-- 168 Integrated Viper Electronic Warfare Suite (IVEWS)
-- 858 LAU-129 guided missile launchers
-- 44 M61 Vulcan cannons

-- 151 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Joint Tactical Radio Systems (MIDS-JTRS)

-- 16 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods
-- 952 AIM-120C8 Air-to-Air Missiles
-- 401 AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder Air-to-Air Missiles

-- 96 AGM-88B High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles (HARM)
-- 96 AGM-88E Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missiles

-- 864 GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bombs Increment 1 (SDB-1)
-- 850 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM)
-- 200 JDAM KMU-557 tail kits for GBU-31v3
-- 384 JDAM KMU-559 tail kits for GBU-32
-- 1,050 FMU-152 fuzes

and Active Optical Target Detectors (AOTD)
Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS) II
Infrared Search and Track (IRST) Pods
AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Systems


Türkiye scaled back the deal in late 2024, removing the modernization kits and some Systems and reducing the overall value to $7 billion from $23 billion


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The Turkish Air Force is not just buying 20+20 Eurofighter T-4s
but also large number of Missiles , Munitions , Engines , Other Systems and Spare parts for 20 years