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An Important Analysis


The F-35s to be sold to the Turkish Air Force will never be at the same level as the F-35s in the hands of the USA and Israel.

The US President has already clarified this. He said the same about Saudi F-35s

-- Its RCS will never be as low as that of the USA and Israel
-- Its radar range and power will be downgraded and restricted
-- Its processors won't be as fast as those of the USA and Israel


In a potential Israeli engagement, when both sides are at 50km range, only the Israeli F-35I will lock on radar; Turkish F-35A will lock from 25km.

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even if Türkiye rejoins the F-35 program in near future, its Jets will likely lack the sovereign electronic warfare and software modifications exclusive to Israel's F-35 fleet

Türkiye's intended F-35As would have relied on the standard global software package

NO indigenous EW Systems

Türkiye had proactively developed the SOM-J stealth Cruise Missile specifically shaped to fit inside the internal weapons bay of the F-35




on the other hand
The defining aspect of Israel's F-35I is its custom architecture. The US granted Israel a unique privilege to install its own Command, Control, Communications, Computers, and Intelligence (C4I) software on top of the Jet's existing systems

Israel’s variants utilize specialized, domestic electronic warfare systems

Israel successfully integrated its SPICE precision guided Bombs and Python-5 air to air Missile



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The absolute cornerstone of Israel's defense strategy is maintaining a Qualitative Military Edge over all Middle East

However, with its advanced defense industry, Turkiye will soon introduce its own platforms and weapons into the game, creating a new power multiplier in the region.

Air Force Fleet Comparison (Projected 2030-2032 period)

Category	Turkish Air Force (TuRAF) + New Assets	Israeli Air Force (IAF)	Strategic Impact
5th-Gen Stealth	40x F-35A ( if it happens ) 40x KAAN (Block 10/20)	75x F-35I	Parity in Stealth: Türkiye matches Israel's 5th-generation numbers
4.5-Gen Fighters	40x F-16V 20–32x Eurofighter Typhoon (T4/T3A) 200x F-16 ÖZGÜR-2	100+ F-15I/IA 170+ F-16C/I	Türkiye fields a massive AESA-equipped fleet
Stealth UCAVs	100+ KIZILELMA & ANKA-III	NO	Türkiye dominates the volume and doctrine of unmanned stealth strike swarms.
BVR Air-to-Air Missiles	METEOR (Ramjet, Eurofighter) GOKBORA and GOKHAN (Indigenous ramjet + AESA seeker) AIM-120C8 AMRAAM	I-Derby ER (Software seeker) Stunner / SkyCeptor (Dual-mode)	Turkish Kinetic Edge: The ramjet-powered Meteor provides the largest "No-Escape Zone" in the world. The domestic ramjet powered GOKBORA and GOKHAN .. Israel’s air-launched Stunner utilizes a dual-mode (radar/infrared) seeker immune to standard radar jamming.
AWACS & Battle Management	4x Boeing E-7T	2 x Gulfstream G550 (CAEW)	Turkish Tracking Edge: The E-7T's MESA radar can track hundreds of targets up to 450+ km away, allowing Turkish fighters to fire BVR missiles silently by feeding them target coordinates via secure data-links.
Stand-Off Jamming (EW)	4x ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft	4 x Gulfstream G550 (SEMA)	Turkish Electronic Edge: Wide-body ASOJ-23A aircraft project powerful directed energy beams across hundreds of kilometers to disrupt radar data-links, blinding enemy ground radars and causing incoming Israeli BVR missiles to lose tracking mid-flight.

 

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MKE's production capacity is increasing 8-fold!

With the Hüseyin Kahya Energetic Materials Factory established in Kırıkkale, it is expected that MKE will reach an annual capacity of 1 million rounds of ammunition by the end of 2028

In Samsun, 15,000 Aircraft bombs will be produced annually.

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Türkiye is indeed one of the very few NATO members capable of completely producing its own comprehensive suite of bombs and guided munitions for its Air Force

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and Only USA , Turkiye and France produces their own Cruise Missiles with their turbojet Engines in NATO

 

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Israel aims to build its own stealth fighter jets, autonomous combat aircraft in the next 10 years​

Israel aims to build its own stealth fighter jets in 10 years | The Jerusalem Post

A senior Israeli official says the country is ready to develop homegrown stealth jets and unmanned combat aircraft as part of a push to reduce reliance on US aid

www.jpost.com

in the next 10 years , Turkiye will show its own new platforms like 6th gen Fighter and ANKA-4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jet



even as of 2026 , Turkiye shows its own MUM-T concept to be ready by 2029-2030
KAAN - KIZILELMA - ANKA-III


Also , in the next 5-7 years , Turkiye will show its own TF-6000 , TF-10.000 , TF-35.000 turbofan Engines too

 

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Israel aims to build its own stealth fighter jets, autonomous combat aircraft in the next 10 years​

Israel aims to build its own stealth fighter jets in 10 years | The Jerusalem Post

A senior Israeli official says the country is ready to develop homegrown stealth jets and unmanned combat aircraft as part of a push to reduce reliance on US aid

www.jpost.com

in the next 10 years , Turkiye will show its own new platforms like 6th gen Fighter and ANKA-4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jet

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even as of 2026 , Turkiye shows its own MUM-T concept to be ready by 2029-2030
KAAN - KIZILELMA - ANKA-III
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Also , in the next 5-7 years , Turkiye will show its own TF-6000 , TF-10.000 , TF-35.000 turbofan Engines too

This is where India comes into the equation when Israel talks about developing stealth aircraft, as per their joint defense co-operation treaties.

I am expecting, as part of the USA/Israel military merger, for a lot of free technology and intellectual property to "flow" to Israel for free from the USA, who will use it alongside India to build new platforms. This technology transfer will be technology that neither India or Israel can alone fund the development of on their own.

Israel alone won't be able to use the technology alone to develop stealth platforms, but they can build platforms using that technology with India who have higher capital levels to invest in technology and platform development than Israel can.

The Indians have turned down the Su57E, on that basis imho of collaboration with Israel on a new stealth platform and joint tech transfer via the US/Israel military integration.

IMHO ...

 

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This is where India comes into the equation when Israel talks about developing stealth aircraft, as per their joint defense co-operation treaties.

This is not good news for Pakistan. India could fill the 5th generation gap with Israel.

Will China definitely sell the J-35AE to Pakistan ?

Pakistan could alternatively join the KAAN project and Pakistan can buy KIZILELMA , ANKA-3/4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets for MUM-T concept

 

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This is not good news for Pakistan. India could fill the 5th generation gap with Israel.

Yes - this is my current working theory and we will see how this plays out. The mother and father will "join" together to create new babies, for lack of any other metaphor. People are underestimating the level of industrial collaboration that will go on between the two. Netanyahu stated as much during the height of the genocide.

Will China definitely sell the J-35AE to Pakistan ?

Yes - they have been trying ever since FC-31 came into existence and they wanted Pakistan to "fund" its development. Pakistan declined after the poor FC-1 experience of what was meant to be a joint project to one virtually solely funded by Pakistan.

Pakistan could alternatively join the KAAN project and Pakistan can buy KIZILELMA , ANKA-3/4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets for MUM-T concept

I think Pakistan will purchase both the J-35AE and the KAAN, and while both are two engine stealth platforms, the KAAN offers more range and payload options and better industrial collaboration than the J-35AE which will be a pure off the shelf purchase addressed as a capability/fleet retirement project. The KAAN, by virtue being NATO compatible will be able to be used for exercises with other NATO countries, which the J-35AE will not be able to do, etc.

 

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A battle of power and technology in the Air ( Turkiye vs Israel )

Stand-Off Jamming (EW)

ASOJ-23A ( 2026 - 2028 )

ELLYON ( concept )

Turkish Electronic Edge : ASOJ-23A is an all-in-one Electromagnetic Terminator. It focuses 100% of its space, power, and computing on scanning and crushing enemy radars and communications to build a safe entry corridor for allied Fighter Jets ... Israeli ELLYON is designed to act simultaneously as a strategic reconnaissance plane (taking photos, tracking troop movements) and an electronic attack platform

Turkiye - ASOJ-23A
The ASOJ-23A is built to detect, identify and suppress enemy radar and communication elements from long standoff ranges ( 400 km )

Safe Airborne Corridors: It creates an electromagnetic shield, enabling friendly Fighter Jets to safely enter heavily defended airspace to conduct SEAD/DEAD missions without being targeted
4 ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft between 2026 and 2028



Israel - ELLYON

it was just unveiled in july 2026 ( a newly concept )
It is designed to combine Electronic Attack (EA) and advanced Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition, and Reconnaissance (ISTAR) capabilities into a single, high-altitude platform.


While countries like the US, Russia and China possess this technology globally, Turkiye and Israel are the only countries in the region that utilize it.

USA : EA-37B
Turkiye : ASOJ-23A
Russia : Il-22PP
China : Y-9G
Israel : ELLYON ( concept - under development )

 

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The PATRIOT vs ANKA-3


The PATRIOT is disadvantaged in intercepting the ANKA-3.
Let's simplify the account's narrative and recast it into visuals again.Tolun's munitions can destroy the Patriot's Radar in a standoff manner.

Even if the internal station covers open and close in 10 seconds, the result wouldn't change.

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RCS of ANKA-3 : X band 0,001 m2
RCS of ANKA-3 : C band 0,002 m2

PATRIOT Radar can detect the stealth ANKA-3 from 73 km away


ANKA-3 stealth UCAV can detect the AN/MPQ-53/65 Radars from 250+ km away

And ANKA-3 can hit PATRIOT AD Systems with 100 km EREN , TOLUN also 150 km KUZGUN-TJ cost effective Missiles/Munitions

ANKA-3 can carry 200 km CAKIR and 275 km SOM-J Cruise Missiles to hit all Air Defense Systems in the world from safe distance

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Unseen Power, Unmatched Precision

 

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What the actual f**k are you on about?

reported for bad language

 

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Turkish SUPER LIGHTNING jet powered Drone already can do it
( to mimic Fighter Jets ) .. range of 900 km and speed of mach 0,85


Radar Baiting: SUPER LIGHTNING jet powered kamikaze Drones. These smaller drones mimic the radar signatures of Fighter Jets (like an F-16 or KAAN) , forcing enemy SAM batteries to activate their radars, fire, and deplete their expensive missile stockpiles

Radar Jamming & Disruption: Onboard active electronics actively blind, jam and degrade the effectiveness of enemy air defense radars and sensors

Direct Comparison: Süper Şimşek vs. NATO Counterparts

Feature	TUSAŞ Süper Şimşek	Raytheon ADM-160 MALD-J	MBDA/Leonardo SPEAR-EW
Origin Country	Türkiye (NATO)	United States (NATO)	United Kingdom / Italy (NATO)
Primary Mission	EW Jamming, Decoy, Kamikaze	Stand-In Jamming, Decoy	Stand-In Jamming, Decoy
Kinetic Option?	Yes (35 kg warhead built-in)	No (Purely expendable EW decoy)	No (Saves space purely for EW suite)
Launch Platform	Air (ANKA-3, AKSUNGUR) & Ground	Air-launched only (F-16, B-52, etc.)	Air-launched only (F-35, Eurofighter)
Speed	0.85 Mach	~0.9 Mach	High subsonic

 

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Discuss the topic guys....................

 

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Some People, without knowing their place, made sarcastic remarks about TURAF



1 -- Turkiye is not just a country that buys weapons... it is a country that produces and sells advanced technologies

Countries like India , Pakistan , Greece are not in the same league as Turkiye


2 -- Those who say there are no F-16s with AESA radar


PAF used AEWC to hit Indian RAFALE in BVR combat via datalink network centric warfare capability .. ( J-10Cs turned off their Radars )

TURAF has 193 F-16s with link-16 data link to use 4 Boeing E-7T AEWC to detect RAFALE or F-16V from 350 km away


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Here's Turkiye's advantage over the other Countries I mentioned


1 -- KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets with MURAD AESA Radar to join the Turkish Air Force by 2027

KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 have first look - first fire capability against non-stealth Fighters like RAFALE , F-16V , J-10C in BVR combat



2 -- another game changer technology for the Turkish Air Force
ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft which will be delivered to the TURAF in 2026-2027

A technology that would reduce the effectiveness of the RAFAEL , F-16V or J-10C Radar, thus enabling them to hunt them down.

this technology is belong to only USA , Turkiye , China and Russia currently


I'm not talking about the Eurofighter T4 or the KAAN for 2030
I'm talking about weapons that will be officially delivered to the Turkish Air Force in a few months

Those who try to mock the Turkish Air Force after the USA blocked 100 F-35A to Turkiye

If USA or China impose the same embargo on your Countries, you will not be able to produce a single domestic platform to give your Air Force a breather.

 

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Countries like India , Pakistan , not in the same league as Turkiye

Agreed. India and Pakistan has hundreds of operational sovereign nukes each. Turkiye don't. (+India has SSBN and MARV ICBMs)

 

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Even 900 km SUPER SIMSEK jet powered Drones can hunt Hellenic Air Force AEWCs

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KAL-EL​

You said that , Who has a better Air Force? Are Greek and Turkish Air Forces relatively even?

Real detailed military analyses from me for same ignorant fanboys


F-16 Fighter Jets
Greek F-16V is nothing special to compare with the Turkish F-16s which have link-16 and same 120 km AIM-120C7 air to air Missile easly to match with Greek F-16Vs in BVR combat

thanks to 4 Boeing E7-T AEWCs

even as of 2026 , TURAF has more F-16s ( 193 F-16s ) with this network centric warfare capability than HAF

soon , Turkish F-16s will get 200km GOKHAN-GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air missiles .. but Greek F-16V always carry 120 km AIM-120C7

as of 2026

• TURAF ( 193 F-16s with network centric warfare capability )
• HAF ( 50 + 38 F-16s with network centric warfare capability )

24 RAFALEs can not change balance of power .. even Pakistan turned Indian RAFALEs into burnt birds in BVR combat

Real game changer Weapons are KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets which have first look-first fire capability against non-stealth RAFALE and F-16V

KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 to be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2026-2027
to carry 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air missiles in internal weapon bays






Hellenic Air Force doent have lacks electronic warfare capabilities

on the other hand , TURAF has its own KORAL-200 mobile Radar Electronic Warfare Systems

also 4 ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft
A technology that would reduce the effectiveness of the RAFAEL , F-16V or J-10C Radar, thus enabling them to hunt them down.

this technology is belong to only USA , Turkiye , China and Russia currently

4 ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft between 2026 and 2028



Greece lacks hypersonic - supersonic Missile strike capability

Greece lacks land based long range Cruise Missile capability
Greece lacks even long range kamikaze Drone capability

on the other hand , Turkiye has its own defense Industry to produce hundreds of them to hit all Air Defense Systems in Grecee-Greek Islands within a day


currently ready for a war
150 km J600T
280 km BORA
400+ km ATMACA-UM
500+ km TAYFUN Block1/2

also , 1000 km GEZGIN land based Cruise Missile on the way

also , 500+ km 300-ER air launched supersonic Ballistic Missile with TV camera seeker

1000-2000 km SIVRISINEK , MIZRAK , KUZGUN , SUPER SIMSEK and K-2 long rage kamikaze Drones


also 1500-2000 km TAYFUN Block-4 and CENK hypersonic Ballistic Missiles on the way Turkiye has the 2nd strongest missile fire power in NATO after USA




Greece is a buyer Country with limited numbers ( PATRIOT , BARAK-MX and DAVID's SLING )

They wouldn't even have enough numbers to stop 2000 Turkish kamikaze Drones

Turkiye creates its own STEEL DOME Air Defense Umbrella for $24 billion to cover whole Turkiye

KORKUT
SUNGUR
GURZ
GOKDEMIR
HISAR-A
HISAR-O
SIPER-A
SIPER 1/2/3/4






Greece gets 20 F-35A until 2030

Turkiye gets 60 new Fighter Jets until 2030 .. ( maybe 60+40 )
-- 20 Eurofighter T-4 ..... ( maybe also 12 Eurofighter T-3A from Qatar )
-- 40 KAAN Block10/20

also , Turkiye plans to sell its S-400s to some countries and rejoin the F-35 program; work on this is ongoing




We dont need to hunt Greek Pilots , they are killing themselves with stupid maneuvers during dogfights with the Turkish F-16 Pilots

3 Greek Pilots crashed into the sea and died during dogfights

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Such countries ilke Greece has no future
They may think they have a slight advantage for a few years through buying things off others, but ultimately they will fall far behind Turkiye, and they will have neither the money nor the technology to match with Turkiye