Lebanon-Israel War | 2023-present

[_Arabia_]

I disagree. Israel is not here to stay. Its a weak entity internally, and is in the process of disintegrating as a state.
However the process can be long. It could take years, decades even.

Moreover and more importantly, Israel has no place in West Asia. Absolutely none. Its existence should be regarded as intolerable.

Now, Jews can continue to live here. I dont disagree with that. But Israel as a regime/state needs to be dismantled and a process of decolonization will have to take place.

We will have to see about that. I have heard this rhetoric for the past 77 years (since 1948) and Israel has only expanded ever since by large, when not giving back land by their own accord (Sinai).

They are nuclear-armed and on paper they have the strongest military (by far) in the region compared to their population and size.

While enjoying untold military, economic and political support from the US (their main backer) West and even enjoying close/great ties with Jewish oligarchy run/controlled Russia (we all saw how a supposed Russian ally of Iran was favoring Israel over Iran itself during the 12 day conflict) and even with China ties are excellent.

The hatred/animosity between the average Arab/Muslim of the region and Jews (thanks to Israeli actions since 1948) are so great by large that Yemenis, Iraqis, Egyptians, Moroccans, Algerians, Libyans, Saudi Arabians, Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese etc. are never going to accept their native Jews back and their descendants who are now mostly only identifying with Israel and Israeli identity and who by large have been intermarrying with other Jewish communities (European Jews etc.).

Europe is not going to suddenly accept millions of Jews nor do those Jews, the same Jews that escaped Jewish persecution in Europe, going to return to Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, Russia etc. Return to what? All their past houses, apartments, land etc. is no longer owned by them or inhabited by them. In short they have nowhere to return to outside of the recent migrants/Zionists which are mostly US Jews who btw are running most of the US economically, politically and militarily.

The only solution is if they somehow lose US/Western support miraculously and are forced to behave like a normal nation state and forced to agree with a fair two-state solution or a fair one-state solution where Palestinians (regardless if majority in such a state) will have the same rights like the Jews but in such a case the idea of a Jewish-majority run state would cease to exist.

So realistically speaking they are here to stay, at least for the next many years. There is no chance for any Muslim military victory.

If the past 2 years of inactivity during the genocide did not confirm this, I don't know what needs to occur.

 

[hyperman]

Did you know that the Lebanese army is far worse armed than even a non-state militia/actor like Hezbollah? The Lebanese army barely exists on paper.

They have around 80.000 soldiers.

@hyperman I have to admit that my knowledge about the Lebanese National Army is very little (frankly if you look at news and events in the past 50 years it is like they barely exist) but according to CIA data, the Lebanese Army is no longer dominated by Maronites/Christians and nowadays the sectarian divide is very much representative of the demographics of Lebanon itself.

This is data from 2007 (declassified CIA files):

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00049R001800230012-0.pdf

So your claim of the Lebanese Army being run by Maronites nowadays is not accurate.

AI is also telling me that it was mostly the case right after French creation (Lebanese "independence") 1920 until 1975 (pre-civil war).

Carnegie is a serious institution:

Loyalties and Group Formation in the Lebanese Officer Corps

The Lebanese Armed Forces, one of the few state institutions that is regarded by most citizens as trustworthy and legitimate, continues to reflect the communal and political cleavages of broader Lebanese society.

carnegieendowment.org

So allow me to disagree as I also wrote initially.

So there is literally zero hindrance (outside), other than Israel, for the Lebanese army to develop into the sole representative of Lebanon as a state and for militias, Hezbollah included, to merge with the state/military.

I don't understand why non-Arabs are supporting militias in the Arab world while never wanting to see such a scenario/situation in their own homeland.

Countries with militias acting outside of state institutions are almost all by default failed states. Lebanon is no different in 2025.

That should not be the way forward. If there was genuine Lebanese unity and sane/just Lebanese state institutions, every Lebanese community would be fairly represented (roughly speaking, of course there will always be exceptions like in any country) and this way Lebanese as a whole would feel a kinship and obligation to their state institutions.

Most importantly it would weaken the Israeli rhetoric because when they are attacking Southern Lebanon they are hiding behind the rhetoric of Hezbollah being an Iranian proxy terrorist group (radical Muslims) while if they fought against an inclusive national army of Lebanon they would not be able to use this rhetoric.

Its Run by Maronites brother, the head of the army is ALWAYS a Maroni, as are much of the officer class. This current institution was created after the civil war, with all the christian militias being folded in to the army. There are Sunnis in the Army, but they are all foot soldiers and a few mid level, but at the upper eschelon, its overwhelmingly Maronite.

 

[_Arabia_]

It is Maronite dominated, there is a reason why the Chief of Staff is always a Maronite, even though there is no law that requires it. There are 3 major factions in Lebanon, The Maronies, the Shia and the Sunnis. The Maronies have the Lebanese Army, the Shia have Hezbollah and the Sunnis don't have an army(though the dynamics have changed since the new govt in Damascus).

But the Chief of Staff does not equal Maronites running the entire Lebanese army. That is like saying that the Lebanese Sunnis are running Lebanon politically because by law the Lebanese prime minister has to be a Sunni.

Look at the data in those declassified CIA files from 2007 (the date is even older). There is no chance of most of the 80.000 Lebanese soldiers being majority Maronite. Pretty sure that those 80.000 are fairly as represented as the actual demographics of Lebanon, possibly with Shias less represented because they already have Hezbollah which is better armed than the national army, lol.

Look at the data from the Carnegie article that I posted too. This is a respected/neutral source.

Speaking about those stupid Lebanese rules (sectarian in nature) this also just confirms what I have written all the time, that there is zero Lebanese unity on the ground if such a retarded system is even in place where certain positions can only be held by a certain community just based on sect alone and not competence.

 

[Shags101]

Lets see if Iran does anything, or rallies the Iraqis to go and help or launch from Iraq or whatever.

Well to be fair Iran has intervened a few times would definitely have been more effective if it didn’t have numerous Arab “leaders” playing defensive for Israel also had America and Israel to contend with Iran has shown they can back words with action but yeah when you have to deal with a number of countries that assisted in blunting their attacks can’t be helped……give one of the few countries that actually tried a break from the many Arab countries that defended Israel while thousands of Palestinians were being killed weekly and the thousands of Lebanese that were killed and I’m assuming hundreds of Syrians who have been killed after the downfall of Bashar

 

[_Arabia_]

Well to be fair Iran has intervened a few times would definitely have been more effective if it didn’t have numerous Arab “leaders” playing defensive for Israel also had America and Israel to contend with Iran has shown they can back words with action but yeah when you have to deal with a number of countries that assisted in blunting their attacks can’t be helped……give one of the few countries that actually tried a break from the many Arab countries that defended Israel while thousands of Palestinians were being killed weekly and the thousands of Lebanese that were killed and I’m assuming hundreds of Syrians who have been killed after the downfall of Bashar

Where is this imaginary idea of Arabs "protecting Israel" from Iran? The only state that shot down some Iranian drones and missiles was Jordan which frankly is perfectly normal if you are even a remotely non-failed state as no state is going to accept its air space being violated to such an degree and the risk of debris/missiles/drones missing their targets and locals dying. In fact during some of the first Iranian attacks only a Palestinian and a Jordanian child died, with zero Israelis dying. This was back in 2024 or prior to June 2025. You can easily Google that.

And mostly it was US/allies doing that anyway and not Jordan. Most of the missiles went through with Jordan not shooting them down. Pretty sure that it was mostly only missiles that risked hitting Jordan itself that were shot down.

Curious to see if Iran would accept Iraq lobbying 100's of missiles, drones etc. across Iranian airspace and Iranian cities, towns and villages if hitting say Afghanistan or Pakistan or Turkmenistan or whatever. Pretty sure that they would be trying to shot those missiles and drones down too if there was a risk of them hitting Iranian civilians. Anything else would not be serious by a state military.

Also why this alternative reality? Iran never attacked Israel UNTIL Israel itself attacked Iran. Iran did nothing as well when Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians were getting killed by Israel. Hezbollah did not do much either until the Israelis were attacking it.

You would never claim that KSA, if attacked by Israel and responding, or Egypt or Turkey or anyone else, was doing it for the sake of Palestine/Palestinians so why the double standards with Iran?

What has stopped Iran from June until today (4 months have gone by) from attacking Israel again for the sake of Palestinians? Why did they only attack/target Israel AFTER Israel was the one attacking Iran?

Every nation state/leadership is in it for themselves.

Let us not make Palestinians into some infallible perfect people. You have the same faults and problems like most other Arab states. Just look at the internal Palestinian political divisions or even civil wars just right after Israel left in Gaza in 2006. You too, if an independent state, would not be messing with Israel/US/far stronger powers for the sake of Arabs anywhere else. Highly doubtful. This is just how the world/nation states/leadership works.

While we speak you have Palestinian militias in Gaza and entire clans and tribes aligning with Israel and fighting side by side with them and doing their bidding....Less aid about Fatah in the West Bank and their active collaboration with Israel in the West Bank the better....

Who even cares about the ongoing Sudanese civil war were even more people have died than in Palestine? Most Arabs are only obsessed about Palestine while Sudanese are almost completely forgotten. This is a fact. It has been the case since forever. Back in 2014 people were 1 million times more preoccupied with Gaza than the raging civil war in Yemen despite many more people dying in Yemen.

Anyway it is not a competition but I don't think that you can speak about a lack of support among the common Arab or Muslim people when you have the most support (by the people) by far than any other Muslim community that is struggling.

It is this whole idea of some Palestinian that the entire region evolves around Palestine and Palestine alone that is off-putting for many Arabs/people of the region. It should not be like this. If people are consistent and serious Sudanese, Yemenis and every other Arabs and Muslims deserve the same attention and support.

Or since we are on a Pakistani forum, Kashmiris. Or if in South Asia already, Rohingya not that many years ago. The list is fairly long.

 

[hyperman]

Look at the data in those declassified CIA files from 2007 (the date is even older). There is no chance of most of the 80.000 Lebanese soldiers being majority Maronite. Pretty sure that those 80.000 are fairly as represented as the actual demographics of Lebanon, possibly with Shias less represented because they already have Hezbollah which is better armed than the national army, lol.

yes, and I told you, that the lower level is not indicative of the higher level. Assad's Army was also majority sunni, but the officer core was overwhelmingly Alawite. The officer core in Lebanon is more Maroni, and the higher you go, the more maronite it gets, with the chief of the army always being a maronite.

The Prime Minister doesn't have power in Lebanon, nor the speaker, the power rest with the President, who determines the agenda.

I've looked into this matter, both the origins of the army post civil war, as well as the statistics and the important positions, that CIA data is for the army overall, but it doesn't account for power structure within the army.

 

[Shags101]

Where is this imaginary idea of Arabs "protecting Israel" from Iran? The only state that shot down some Iranian drones and missiles was Jordan which frankly is perfectly normal if you are even a remotely non-failed state as no state is going to accept its air space being violated to such an degree and the risk of debris/missiles/drones missing their targets and locals dying. In fact during some of the first Iranian attacks only a Palestinian and a Jordanian child died, with zero Israelis dying. This was back in 2024 or prior to June 2025. You can easily Google that.

And mostly it was US/allies doing that anyway and not Jordan. Most of the missiles went through with Jordan not shooting them down. Pretty sure that it was mostly only missiles that risked hitting Jordan itself that were shot down.

Curious to see if Iran would accept Iraq lobbying 100's of missiles, drones etc. across Iranian airspace and Iranian cities, towns and villages if hitting say Afghanistan or Pakistan or Turkmenistan or whatever. Pretty sure that they would be trying to shot those missiles and drones down too if there was a risk of them hitting Iranian civilians. Anything else would not be serious by a state military.

Also why this alternative reality? Iran never attacked Israel UNTIL Israel itself attacked Iran. Iran did nothing as well when Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians were getting killed by Israel. Hezbollah did not do much either until the Israelis were attacking it.

You would never claim that KSA, if attacked by Israel and responding, or Egypt or Turkey or anyone else, was doing it for the sake of Palestine/Palestinians so why the double standards with Iran?

What has stopped Iran from June until today (4 months have gone by) from attacking Israel again for the sake of Palestinians? Why did they only attack/target Israel AFTER Israel was the one attacking Iran?

Every nation state/leadership is in it for themselves.

Let us not make Palestinians into some infallible perfect people. You have the same faults and problems like most other Arab states. Just look at the internal Palestinian political divisions or even civil wars just right after Israel left in Gaza in 2006. You too, if an independent state, would not be messing with Israel/US/far stronger powers for the sake of Arabs anywhere else. Highly doubtful. This is just how the world/nation states/leadership works.

Who even cares about the ongoing Sudanese civil war were even more people have died than in Palestine? Most Arabs are only obsessed about Palestine while Sudanese are almost completely forgotten. This is a fact. It has been the case since forever. Back in 2014 people were 1 million times more preoccupied with Gaza than the raging civil war in Yemen despite many more people dying in Yemen.

Anyway it is not a competition but I don't think that you can speak about a lack of support among the common Arab or Muslim people when you have the most support (by the people) by far than any other Muslim community that is struggling.

Or since we are on a Pakistani forum, Kashmiris. Or if in South Asia already, Rohingya not that many years ago. The list is fairly long.

Not imaginary sorry and unless American and European ships and aircraft were getting refueled miraculously and countries skies were open to these aircraft to bomb or deflect Iranian responses to Israeli aggression be it in Palestine Lebanon Syria or Iran itself.

These countries who were pushed into assisting Israel by Biden first than trump isn’t imaginary there’s enough reports from different news agencies that have reported it,
Hey I get it your not a big fan of Iran and not saying I agree with many of these guys positions but let’s not always whitewash it when it doesn’t fit your Arab superiority thing also to be fair I think the Saudis pretty much stayed out of it

 

[_Arabia_]

yes, and I told you, that the lower level is not indicative of the higher level. Assad's Army was also majority sunni, but the officer core was overwhelmingly Alawite. The officer core in Lebanon is more Maroni, and the higher you go, the more maronite it gets, with the chief of the army always being a maronite.

The Prime Minister doesn't have power in Lebanon, nor the speaker, the power rest with the President, who determines the agenda.

I've looked into this matter, both the origins of the army post civil war, as well as the statistics and the important positions, that CIA data is for the army overall, but it doesn't account for power structure within the army.

Do you have any data (official) that confirms what you are saying? Most of the officers in the Lebanese army (according to the data that I posted are not Maronites or Christian Lebanese. The Army Chief of State might be a Maronite by default due to the retarded/sectarian/non-unity Lebanese system, but that does not equal military control. Case in point the example of Sunnis "controlling" the prime minister post in Lebanon.

Last time I checked powers in Lebanon are shared by both the prime minister and president.

A new President for Lebanon: What next in 2025?

Lebanon has a new President pledging reforms but faces significant economic and political challenges, including the influence of Iran-backed Hezbollah.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk

I mean Lebanon is not a presidential system, they are a parliamentary system (on paper at least) with the prime minister running the government and the President being the figurehead (head of state).

Anyway any data backing up your claim of the Lebanese army in 2025 being run/dominated by Maronites would be appreciated. I don't see any such material anywhere but claims/data that show that the Lebanese army is fairly representative of the overall demographics of Lebanon with Shias slightly less represented because they already have Hezbollah which is full Shia (almost exclusively) and already stronger than the national army (lol).

 

[_Arabia_]

Not imaginary sorry and unless American and European ships and aircraft were getting refueled miraculously and countries skies were open to these aircraft to bomb or deflect Iranian responses to Israeli aggression be it in Palestine Lebanon Syria or Iran itself.

These countries who were pushed into assisting Israel by Biden first than trump isn’t imaginary there’s enough reports from different news agencies that have reported it,
Hey I get it your not a big fan of Iran and not saying I agree with many of these guys positions but let’s not always whitewash it when it doesn’t fit your Arab superiority thing also to be fair I think the Saudis pretty much stayed out of it

Refueled? The US military does not need any Arab militaries in order to help Israel, lol. They have Israel itself for that and Cyprus. They also have huge US military bases in places like Qatar, Turkey, Kuwait, UAE etc. which they run as their own sovereign land due to deals in place and due to being the US.

You did not counter any of my points. Iran did not attack Israel because Israel was murdering Palestinians or other Arabs (Syrians and Lebanese). They only attacked Israel because Israel was carpet bombing Iran itself. No need to create an alternative reality because you are pro-Iran regime.

I am neither pro nor anti-Iran. Since 1979 I see nothing positive about Iranian influence in the Arab world. It has mostly only been destructive in nature and selfish. I would not even mention them if not for their history of meddling, creating proxies etc. Zero problems with non-hostile Iranians.

BTW the average Iranians (Iranian Arabs, Persians and Southern Iranians) have far closer ties with Arabia, Eastern Arabia in particular, than any other region of the Arab world along with Iraq. Whether geographically, genetically, ethnically, culturally etc. Levantine Arabs have no such ties in comparison. Just saying.

Where is any "Arab superiority" you do realize that Hezbollah are Arabs right and Lebanon too by large so me rightly criticizing the lack of unity of Lebanese people and the failure that Lebanon is a nation as of 2025 (and for the past many years/decades - something most Lebanese are openly talking about and admitting regardless of sect) is now me being "Arab supremacist", lol. Ok.

Very wisely, KSA has no part in this mess and neither Israel nor Iranian regime are friends of KSA or allies. We don't owe them anything. Both have been/are hostile to KSA. Just like Hezbollah leadership despite the recent pathetic public outreach to KSA which is fake in nature and just a propaganda campaign and worth nothing.

All I need to do is go on Arabic Twitter and see hordes of retarded low IQ/illiterate/no education Shia Arabs doing propaganda against KSA 24/7 (1 million times more obsessed about KSA than Israel) to see how genuine their outreach is. And once again we are talking about a people/country that KSA has never attacked even once nor hurt, on the contrary. Same story with retarded pro-Iranian regime Iraqi Shia Arabs who are even our own blood and cousins belonging to the same Arab tribes and clans just across the border which is even worse but this is what Wilayat al-Faqih and retardation can do to people. There is no cure for this which is why they will remain as failed states and people/communities while KSA will keep advancing on all fronts regardless of sect within KSA (KSA itself is home to every major/main Islamic sects) and we all live in peace unlike many/similar such diverse Arab states that usually have had a few civil wars already in the modern era.

Frankly put too much retardation in the Arab/Muslim world. Decades are needed for people to have a better grasp of their own history in order not to act like retards. It is embarrassing to witness quite frankly if I am to be brutally honest. KSA is not immune to this either or any Arab/Muslim state for that matter.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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There is going to be a confrontation in Lebanon it looks like.

All the more, it shows how stupid the "ceasefire" hezbollah agreed to was.

did Hezbollah have another choice?

Israel escalated very quickly with mass bombings, pager attacks, walkie talkie attacks, assassinations of top leadership and replacements. and terrorist bombing near historical sites in Baalbek and Beirut, causing everyone to be affected and blame Hezbollah. they were in disarray and had to tactically retreat to regroup

the problem now is that the Lebanese army has been disarming the south of Lebanon so nothing is stopping Israel from moving in and finally occupying south Lebanon up to the Litani river, something it failed to achieve in 2006 and 2024.

 

[_Arabia_]

did Hezbollah have another choice?

Israel escalated very quickly with mass bombings, pager attacks, walkie talkie attacks, assassinations of top leadership and replacements. and terrorist bombing near historical sites in Baalbek and Beirut, causing everyone to be affected and blame Hezbollah. they were in disarray and had to tactically retreat to regroup

the problem now is that the Lebanese army has been disarming the south of Lebanon so nothing is stopping Israel from moving in and finally occupying south Lebanon up to the Litani river, something it failed to achieve in 2006 and 2024.

Hezbollah, since 2006, had 17-18 years in order to secure their ranks and focus on Israel, but instead they lost far more soldiers fighting against fellow Muslims and Arabs in neighboring Syria just to prop up an incompetent Ba'athi regime (Al-Assad regime) on behalf of the Iranian regime.

They have killed far more fellow Arabs and Muslims than any Israelis or Jews.

Same Hezbollah, on behalf of the Iranian regime, doing everything in its power to weaken the Lebanese state and to be able to keep ruling their little narco-captagon fiefdom in tiny South Lebanon.

Israel occupied all of Southern Lebanon between 1982-2000 while Hezbollah was in existence.

Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon (1982–2000) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Same way they are carpet bombing South Lebanon and Lebanon at will today while Hezbollah exists.

Maybe, just maybe, Lebanon/Lebanese should follow my advice (and that of most sane people) and actually unify ranks and create an NATIONAL Lebanese army that is inclusive for ALL Lebanese communities and which is not run/controlled/influenced by foreigners who do not have the Lebanese interests as their priority but their own national interests.

In the case of Iran it was to create pro-iranian Shia Arab proxies in the region in order to keep US/Israel at bay which also failed spectacularly just a few months ago with this entire tactic failing apart as well eventually.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Hezbollah, since 2006, had 17-18 years in order to secure their ranks and focus on Israel, but instead they lost far more soldiers fighting against fellow Muslims and Arabs in neighboring Syria just to prop up an incompetent Ba'athi regime (Al-Assad regime) on behalf of the Iranian regime.

if you call Chechen salafists fellow Muslims, sure. not sure they would say the same about Hezbollah's supporters.

Same Hezbollah, on behalf of the Iranian regime, doing everything in its power to weaken the Lebanese state and to be able to keep ruling their little narco-captagong fiefdom in tiny South Lebanon.

nonsense as usual

Israel occupied all of Southern Lebanon between 1982-2000 while Hezbollah was in existence.

and what happened in 2000

Maybe, just maybe, Lebanon/Lebanese should follow my advice (and that of most sane people) and actually unify ranks and create an NATIONAL Lebanese army that is inclusive for ALL Lebanese communities and which is not run/controlled/influenced by foreigners who do not have the Lebanese interests as their priority but their own.

yes, the Iran obsessed sectarian has the best advice for Hezbollah. lol. there is no purpose in pursuing a dialogue with you on these topics, you are too ideologically blinded. the Turks are more rational even if I disagree with them on other points.

 

[Falcon29]

How is it not fair when they have had the longest civil war in modern Arab history which was only brokered due to immense KSA pressure and threat of KSA economic boycott? Hence the later Taif agreement.

How is it not divided when their entire political system is divided and positions in the government (foreign minister, president, prime minister etc.) are divided by sectarian identity and can only be held by either Shias, Sunnis or Christians? For instance only Sunni Lebanese can even become prime ministers.

How are they remotely unified when they cannot even coexist? Have you seen the pathetic state of the Lebanese political system, their collapsing economy (not due to Israel or any outsiders) the corruption, lack of any industry etc.?

It is a completely failed state due to its inherent divisions.

The country was close to a civil war during the Syrian Civil War itself. You had 10.000's of Lebanese Hezbollah fighters fighting on behalf of Al-Assad in Syria while you had similarly 1000's of Sunni Lebanese fighting on the side of the Syrian opposition.

Lebanese were basically killing each other in a foreign country (Syria). I do not know of any such examples maybe outside of Iraqis and Yemenis who you also could find on both sides.

Nobody (regional countries) has any agenda to keep Lebanon weak by default because Lebanon is largely and irrelevant country regionally speaking both militarily, economically and politically.

The only country that has a direct interest in a weak Lebanon is Israel.

I am not talking about now, both Syria and Lebanon are failed states as of now. But historically speaking Lebanon was always part (for the most) of historical Syria and it was carved out by the French for the Christian community hence why Lebanon was/is heavily Maronite dominated politically to this day.

Maybe if the Shias had not stupidly attacked Syrian Muslims for no sane reason other than following Iranian regime blindly in order to protect the Al-Assad rule, there would not be this animosity between Syrians and Lebanese Shias.

Israel/US is not going to allow the appearance of a strong and anti-Israel Lebanese army or any such group.

Which is why it is thanks to stupid Lebanese divisions that the past 50 years of division has even prevented them from having a powerful inclusive national army where people like Hezbollah foot soldiers could easily serve and join.

Trying to remove any blame from Hezbollah and its leadership for the divisions within Lebanon (which they are a main reason for) is not serious.

Look at demographic makeup of Saudi Arabia. Now look at Sudan and Lebanon. What do you see ? One country has a powerful central authority and a flourishing economy. It's not guaranteed to be eternally divided over ethnic/tribal/religious make up of your country.

I agree, Lebanon's constitution/governing structure which was imposed by the French or originally designed by them needs to be revised because it's clearly counterproductive to the country's interests.

I'm definitely not removing blame for Hezbollah's leadership. Ask some Iranians here, I was historically very hard on them for their Syria policies and their overall regional policy. I trashed them for it harshly. I'm glad they're moving away from that direction now, minus some of the loud airheads on X.

What I'm saying is there needs to be a legitimate Lebanese army that people have confidence in as an alternative, for this country to stabilize and have a bright future.

 

[Falcon29]

Why should KSA entertain supporting Hezbollah when this idiotic group has been hostile towards KSA since their appearance by default of being an Iranian regime proxy? I don't recall KSA ever attacking Lebanese Shia Arabs. Instead KSA was the main financial backer of Lebanon as a state and people (hosting the largest Lebanese diaspora in the region to this day). Once KSA hosted the largest Lebanese Shia Arab community outside of tiny South Lebanon. Until vetting became much stronger and many were distrusted/kicked out because of the actions of Hezbollah.

This group, along with the Iranian regime, literally created Hezbollah al-Hijaz that are behind a few terrorist attacks in KSA. They even hijacked/bombed Saudi Arabian flights 1-2 times in the 1980's and 1990's. They were actively supporting the Houthis.

He is an Iranian regime puppet like every Hezbollah leadership. I don't believe a single word that he is saying. He is part of the Nasrallah generation and his inner circle. They have all given their political and religious loyalty to Tehran.

They have never apologized for their actions even though KSA has never attacked them or hurt Lebanon at all as a country, rather the opposite.

They and their supporters continue to incite against KSA online 24/7. They are more obsessed about KSA and imaginary Wahhabis than about Israel and Zionists.

I have nothing against Lebanese people or Lebanon (consider them brotherly people and fellow Arab/Semites), regardless of sect, but the fact is that non-pro Hezbollah Lebanese Shias, Lebanese Druze, Lebanese Sunnis and Lebanese Atheists don't have this hostility or obsession about KSA as the pro-Hezbollah Lebanese Shias do. It is a fact. So I am naturally not going to view them in a favorable light unless I see some changes from them. I have not seen that to date.

Just their leadership or some high-ranking foot soldiers of their admitting that their war against the Syrian people was wrong and a mistake and that they apologize would make a huge change but not even that they can do.

This has nothing to do with Israel anyway but are part of internal Arab divisions and stupidity and being critical of Hezbollah actions does not mean that anybody is pro-Israel or looks favorably at it.

Which is why you can see my supporting Hezbollah directly whenever they fought against IDF (foot soldiers) but I am not suddenly going to look at their leadership favorably just because Israel happens to attack them. To me radical Zionists/anti-Arab/Muslim Israelis and Hezbollah are no friends. At least there is a hope with even Hezbollah leadership stopping/learning from their past mistakes and doing what is right but I have little hope of that occurring.

They are still exporting captagon to Syria/Jordan, even though it is much less compared to when they were jointly running Syria.

I don't believe Saudi Arabia would entertain them which is why I said Saudi Arabia won't entertain it.

Though I welcome parties in the region employing critical thinking, even if it's fake or not how each party really feels, if they stop sectarian internal divisions and it results in less bad blood, I'm all for it. We need exposure we can't keep practicing avoidance. Europeans progressed partially due to exposure.

 

[_Arabia_]

if you call Chechen salafists fellow Muslims, sure. not sure they would say the same about Hezbollah's supporters.


nonsense as usual


and what happened in 2000


yes, the Iran obsessed sectarian has the best advice for Hezbollah. lol. there is no purpose in pursuing a dialogue with you on these topics, you are too ideologically blinded. the Turks are more rational even if I disagree with them on other points.

Go ask regular Syrians on Twitter or in person if they believe your failed/moronic/low IQ propaganda of Hezbollah just fighting imaginary Chechens or foreigners while the Al-Assad regime and Hezbollah were carpet bombing entire Syrian towns, village and major cities like Aleppo, Homs etc. We have videos of Hezbollah terrorists throwing barrel bombs at Syrian cities in the dozens from planes and laughing. Tons of videos of them cursing Sunni Muslims. Their behavior was no different from ISIS just on a smaller scale but both had very harmful elements that had nothing to envy each other.

We have a former LEADER (secretary) of Hezbollah, who defected, openly talking about what Hezbollah and the Iranian regime was doing in Syria and their agenda.

Subhi al-Tufayli - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He was a Secretary General of Hezbollah between 1989-1991.

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Not nonsense, a fact. What stops Hezbollah from unifying with Lebanese state institutions? Nothing.

Even more nonsense (as usual) when you yourself would never accept/support a similar situation within Iran.

Israel withdrew, not because they lost to Hezbollah (lol) but due to a political settlement and no longer wanting to be involved after 18 years. Same story with Sinai which they gave up after a political agreement. Because if they wanted to they could have kept it today with US/Western support.

Yes, I am anti-iranian Mullah regime which is anti-Sunni Arab/Arab (by large) and has been as hostile to Arabs (overall) as other enemies like Israel. Most Arabs of the region agree with me, almost nobody outside of Arab Shias see the Iranian regime in a favorable light. Not any regimes, not any religious non-Shia movements, whether MB or any other groups.

You know that as well.

I don't care about Turks, Ethiopians, Italians here or any other outsiders as they are completely irrelevant for our discussion and the topics at hand. I am talking about and focussed on events in the Arab world and Arab perceptions. They are not involved in that.

Turkey is not a failed state like Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen etc. for them to allow Iranian proxies, harmful Iranian regime meddling etc. for decades so they will of course not focus much on that, even though most Turks are against your foreign policy as well in general which you are also well aware of.

Saudi Arabians can say the same thing, Egyptians too, as your regime has no influence in our countries.

But anyway Iranian regime and Iranian regime policies in regards to the Arab world since 1979 does not equal Iran or Iranians no matter how much you want it to appear like that. There are plenty of Iranians who look at KSA and Arabs very favorably and similarly with Saudi Arabians and Sunni Arabs who do the same with the average Iranian or Iran as a nation.

I can show you many such Iranian Twitter users based in the West alone. But it does not matter anyway, as my points about Lebanon and Hezbollah are all correct as they are based on ground evidence and not something I made up for the occasion.

As for sectarianism, despite not agreeing with the Wilayat al-Faqih sect or the Twelver sect, I care little about sects, to me an hostile anti-KSA/Arab/Muslim Atheist Iranian is worse in this regard than a non-hostile extremely devout Shia Iranian. So sect has nothing to do with this but it is a fact that in general only/mostly pro-Iran Shia Arabs are hostile to KSA/doing propaganda against us 24/7 (more obsessed with us than Israel) so there is that.