Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[hnn]

Not really true. No evidence exists to suggest that.

An absence of evidence doesn't necessarily equate to evidence of the absent. At least in theory, it makes sense to procure a tech to counter INS - they have been hyping up their Navy and is the only tactic they haven't employed yet, besides invading riding on buffaloes of course

 

[hnn]

If we had purchased missile from China, we wouldn't be testing it right away. Either our indigenous design or a JV.

Also I don't think we'd purchase the missile, it's too costly and even China doesn't produce a lot of those in a year. It's more probable to procure either the HGV (DF-ZV) or the MaRV from DF-21D. The JV would be using either of those vehicles with indigenous missiles, possibly even indigenous warheads.

 

[Aggregate]

An absence of evidence doesn't necessarily equate to evidence of the absent. At least in theory, it makes sense to procure a tech to counter INS - they have been hyping up their Navy and is the only tactic they haven't employed yet, besides invading riding on buffaloes of course

Even if Pakistan gets those Missiles, Aircraft Carriers are not that easy to take down. Even the Chinese plan to start fires and disable Aircraft carriers with their missiles,, not sink them entirely, which would need sustained bombing runs.

In 2005, the US Navy intentionally tested the decommissioned supercarrier USS America. It withstood nearly four weeks of explosive detonations around its hull, to finally sink it.

In 1946, US tested a nuclear detonation next to a Carrier Group. The first nuclear test, which was an Airburst, destroyed the escort ships. but did not do anything to the Aircraft Carrier other than contaminating it. A second (underwater) Nuclear Blast managed to sink the Carrier, that too, by flooding it, not by actual damage.

I don't know the quality of Vikranth in comparison to the US Carriers. But Missiles would disable it at best, or take out its capabilities. But Pakistan will need to bomb it relentlessly by air, to actually sink it. There are theories that air launched missiles can achieve better results by destroying the command centre and then causing deeper explosions internally, that is probably where the JF17 mounted DF21s can achieve better results, but nobody would know unless someone actually tries it.

 

[Majestic]

It’s becoming clear that we’re heading towards a two front war. The top leadership is significantly reinforcing the western border, with considerable movement underway. However, we must maintain strict vigilance on the Indian front as well.
I have a feeling November is going to be a hot one, especially with the weather conditions being quite favorable.

 

[kubotabx23]

Root meaning/cause behind India's NOTAMs?

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If that's the case, must commend India's army/politicians for these psychological games - no way would they attack before/after hosting US military for drills/exercises.

 

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Root meaning/cause behind India's NOTAMs?

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If that's the case, must commend India's army/politicians for these psychological games - no way would they attack before/after hosting US military for drills/exercises.

I don't think anyone from Pakistan Army was effected by any Psychological games. all the fuss was mostly going on, in Social Media. Pakistan remained committed to Afghanistan talks, etc. I did not see any army sources making a big deal out of it and Pakistan's NOTAMs were not directly related to Indian NOTAMs, they started earlier and were only for 3 hours per day.

Actually both sides occasionally do exercises at this time, in this area, since this is the ideal weather. It is not that odd for it to be happening right now. Many members here were saying since days, that nothing will happen, since there are no large scale preparations at either side for any war. If India had wanted a war, they would have done it when Pakistan was busy with Afghanistan. If they did not do anything then, they won't do it now, either.

 

[Psyko70]

Root meaning/cause behind India's NOTAMs?

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If that's the case, must commend India's army/politicians for these psychological games - no way would they attack before/after hosting US military for drills/exercises.

After may incident I dont think any sane Pakistani would think attack is imminent so no one is panicked rather prepared and aware.

 

[kubotabx23]

I don't think anyone from Pakistan Army was effected by any Psychological games. all the fuss was mostly going on, in Social Media. Pakistan remained committed to Afghanistan talks, etc. I did not see any army sources making a big deal out of it and Pakistan's NOTAMs were not directly related to Indian NOTAMs, they started earlier and were only for 3 hours per day.

Actually both sides occasionally do exercises at this time, in this area, since this is the ideal weather. It is not that odd for it to be happening right now. Many members here were saying since days, that nothing will happen, since there are no large scale preparations at either side for any war. If India had wanted a war, they would have done it when Pakistan was busy with Afghanistan. If they did not do anything then, they won't do it now, either.

Yep, more so was referring to the regular Pakistani think tanks on Twitter and some of our brothers here. I thought it was more likely that they wouldn't than they would, just due to the implicit circumstances/repercussions behind any possible restart in conflict.

 

[hnn]

Even if Pakistan gets those Missiles, Aircraft Carriers are not that easy to take down. Even the Chinese plan to start fires and disable Aircraft carriers with their missiles,, not sink them entirely, which would need sustained bombing runs.

In 2005, the US Navy intentionally tested the decommissioned supercarrier USS America. It withstood nearly four weeks of explosive detonations around its hull, to finally sink it.

In 1946, US tested a nuclear detonation next to a Carrier Group. The first nuclear test, which was an Airburst, destroyed the escort ships. but did not do anything to the Aircraft Carrier other than contaminating it. A second (underwater) Nuclear Blast managed to sink the Carrier, that too, by flooding it, not by actual damage.

I don't know the quality of Vikranth in comparison to the US Carriers. But Missiles would disable it at best, or take out its capabilities. But Pakistan will need to bomb it relentlessly by air, to actually sink it. There are theories that air launched missiles can achieve better results by destroying the command centre and then causing deeper explosions internally, that is probably where the JF17 mounted DF21s can achieve better results, but nobody would know unless someone actually tries it.

Yes it takes a lot to sink an aircraft carrier but then that is never the priority. With aircrafts carriers the goal is "Mission Kill" which involves rendering the STOBAR inoperable. The MaRV on DF-21D is designed to achieve that. Besides, it is also a better strategy to launch an ASBM from ground so as to minimize the chances of detection by the Naval Fleet. The aeriel bombing on a Naval Fleet usually serves to overwhelm the radars and defenses so as to allow more chances for the ASBM to achieve the desired mission kill.

 

[hnn]

Yep, more so was referring to the regular Pakistani think tanks on Twitter and some of our brothers here. I thought it was more likely that they wouldn't than they would, just due to the implicit circumstances/repercussions behind any possible restart in conflict.

Well these are escalatory times so it is logical for us to worry about any military movement or exercises from our neighbors. As to whether an attack is imminent or not, no one can really know for sure, not even our military high command. However, we also don't want to be complacent about it and that is why I think our NOTAM was indeed in relation to India's. If they are playing psychological games then so are we.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[PakistaniDefender]

PAF acquired version.

I was searching the Internet but it was giving information otherwise.

Even if Pakistan gets those Missiles, Aircraft Carriers are not that easy to take down. Even the Chinese plan to start fires and disable Aircraft carriers with their missiles,, not sink them entirely, which would need sustained bombing runs.

In 2005, the US Navy intentionally tested the decommissioned supercarrier USS America. It withstood nearly four weeks of explosive detonations around its hull, to finally sink it.

In 1946, US tested a nuclear detonation next to a Carrier Group. The first nuclear test, which was an Airburst, destroyed the escort ships. but did not do anything to the Aircraft Carrier other than contaminating it. A second (underwater) Nuclear Blast managed to sink the Carrier, that too, by flooding it, not by actual damage.

I don't know the quality of Vikranth in comparison to the US Carriers. But Missiles would disable it at best, or take out its capabilities. But Pakistan will need to bomb it relentlessly by air, to actually sink it. There are theories that air launched missiles can achieve better results by destroying the command centre and then causing deeper explosions internally, that is probably where the JF17 mounted DF21s can achieve better results, but nobody would know unless someone actually tries it.

Disable the carrier group through missiles and them sneak a submarine and torpedo the carrier to sea bottom

 

[hnn]

I like tweets from ali k chishti. for ttp and bla, i read tweets of farhan jaffrey.

ok so answer to your questions. There is no global nexus behind india. in may, it was but not now. what india is doing is trying to find a way to humiliate pakistan and they can go down to any level this time.

and it's military. it's always military who is taking care of our foreign policy. current political leadership has been guided well. there are gains.

and on indian topic, i actually talk to one of my friend. we graduated together. we discuss india every other day. it will be conventional. it looks like conventional. This might be their kargil moment which they will later use in negotiations. Role of indian navy is a separate topic.

you grab some land with no population and demand to hand over kashmir to you in return. tricky! you know i have been watching indian armed forces closely since musharraf era. everything now looks different and there are clear hints of escalation and a conflict going out of control.

The land grab sich would make sense if it is some important tactical ground. Kargil was that important tactical ground because we choked their logistics due further up North to Siachen. Though Sir Creek area has a tactical importance of it's own, it's quite different than Kargil's. Militarily, Sir Creek provides a natural obstacle to slow down any invasive forces but doesn't really create any choke point to cause further attrition, so I don't think India grabing it and asking for Kashmir in return will get them anywhere but getting counter attacked by us relentlessly.

 

[hnn]

The 24 cavalry.

Earned the regiment it's nickname "The Chargers" because of 1000+ km redeployment tactical maneuver (first ever for PA) and subsequent counter attack

 

[Signalian]

I was searching the Internet but it was giving information otherwise.

Internet is doing what it should. Just like we dont know whats inside DA-20.