Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[gamaji]

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Strangely enough some one has earlier said it's a fake video.

 

[TAC]

Indian Def Minister Rajnath Singh says " anything can happen anytime....its a war like situation"

It seems they are trying to keep Pakistan engage in psychological warfare....

These SOB’s also like to keep the war hysteria up within their borders for easy votes.

 

[Kharral]

Forces are in war readiness since May 2025.

There is a continuous war on western border with TTP and BLA. Are you choosy for a war with Indian forces ?

Absolutely Yes !!!

 

[Kharral]

I don't think there is an international airport in Sir Creek

Karachi is close enough.

 

[Kharral]

Just sharing all that I have learned on the matter, others can probably answer with further info .. India are gonna go for Sir Creek sooner or later anyway. Right now they are doing the exercises to check if thay are even ready/capable to do this, or not. Pakistan's counter NOTAMs are meant to throw them off their plans and make them doubtful and back out.

Its 96km region is a disputed area (as India claims) , which is nevertheless in defacto control of Pakistan with heavy presence. Modi probably wants to be remembered as the guy who got Sir Creek. To do this, he will have to remain limited to disputed areas only (Sir Creek or AJK). If he exceeds with attacks on IB or coastal areas or naval blockades then it will become an internationalized issue and India will be forced to back out. So Modi would want to keep it limited, if he can.

India would want to force Pakistan to at least vacate, if not capture the place themselves. But If it drags on for too long (since Pakistan has strong presence there) .. or if one side starts losing and decides to escalate, then nobody knows.

Thank You for the summary.

Why leave the initiative with India & react only ?

 

[Mobius]

Indian Def Minister Rajnath Singh says " anything can happen anytime....its a war like situation"

It seems they are trying to keep Pakistan engage in psychological warfare....

Another reason why Pakistan Should NOT have shown restraint in the previous battle. What a silly decision to shot down less than you could have.
Should have smashed their teeth out fully.
Let's hope Pakistan does so this time in case of any gandu misadventure.

 

[Be dazzled]

Removed.

 

[arsalan345]

فَلۡيُقَٰتِلۡ فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلَّذِينَ يَشۡرُونَ ٱلۡحَيَوٰةَ ٱلدُّنۡيَا بِٱلۡأٓخِرَةِۚ وَمَن يُقَٰتِلۡ فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ فَيُقۡتَلۡ أَوۡ يَغۡلِبۡ فَسَوۡفَ نُؤۡتِيهِ أَجۡرًا عَظِيمٗا

So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory - We will bestow upon him a great reward.

(surah an nisa ayat 74)

 

[Signalian]

Absolutely Yes !!!

Pakistani military has been excellent in conventional warfare, attacking targets inside India and then Afghanistan, but its the unconventional warfare where even after so many years, a lot is left to be desired.

Now the enemies of Pakistan have noticed this too. A conventional skirmish, or a conflict, brings out PAF and surface to surface missiles, the big guns basically so that doesn't go in enemies favor - be it India or Afghanistan. Unfortunately, Pakistan has now struck all its neighbors with same combo of aircraft strikes, drones and missiles. The leadership (COAS+PM) don't want to hold back when it comes to retaliation by striking inside enemy territory. Conventionally, Pakistan's armored and mechanised forces don't see any action, even the infantry formations remain on alert but are not mobilized to that extent. The MLRS segment of artillery comes in action for offensive operations. May 2025 Indian strategy was to cause losses to Pakistani military and its assets, but it failed, instead India lost Rafales, Mig-29, Mirage 2000, SU30 and a drone along with S-400 radar and Brahmos storage site. Although Rafales stayed at a stand off distance of 100's of kms to strike targets within Pakistan and though succeeded in hitting but took own losses also. This shows that whenever India brings military assets (aircrafts, tanks etc) towards Pakistan to strike, Pakistan starts targeting them and then picks more targets to strike back. Indian military excercise near the border could face the same consquences.

So, should the global nexus (Israel -India and others) again try to tie down Pakistan in a conventional conflict ? Like Ops Sindoor 2.0. or create a new conflict on south west border (Creek and Rann) ?

TTP and BLA are unable to tie down Pakistan's conventional forces thanks to FC. Navy hardly sees any action being the weakest of all the three forces, yet Indian Navy doesn't dare to venture near Pakistani waters. LOC is heavy militarized on both sides with artillery, mortar, RPGs and AAA guns, so shelling causes damage on both sides whenever it starts, so both sides don't hold back.

India has been testing Pakistan's weak areas but so far found the TTP and BLA card, the most effective against Pakistan, something that India's own military has been unable to accomplish. Any other front that India tries to open against Pakistan, gets a thrashing response from Pakistan and is bogged down within days with minimal effect.

Another thought- would COAS and PM had given back IAF pilot if any was downed in May 2025 ? This comes to mind since PAF didn't cause damage to Indian infrastructure in 2019 and said next time we will hit. In 2025, PAF and PA MLRS started hitting targets within India.

Is it the leadership of 2025 or is it Military's promise from 2019 that next time we will hit ?

 

[arsalan345]

Pakistani military has been excellent in conventional warfare, attacking targets inside India and then Afghanistan, but its the unconventional warfare where even after so many years, a lot is left to be desired.

Now the enemies of Pakistan have noticed this too. A conventional skirmish, or a conflict, brings out PAF and surface to surface missiles, the big guns basically so that doesn't go in enemies favor - be it India or Afghanistan. Unfortunately, Pakistan has now struck all its neighbors with same combo of aircraft strikes, drones and missiles. The leadership (COAS+PM) don't want to hold back when it comes to retaliation by striking inside enemy territory. Conventionally, Pakistan's armored and mechanised forces don't see any action, even the infantry formations remain on alert but are not mobilized to that extent. The MLRS segment of artillery comes in action for offensive operations. May 2025 Indian strategy was to cause losses to Pakistani military and its assets, but it failed, instead India lost Rafales, Mig-29, Mirage 2000, SU30 and a drone along with S-400 radar and Brahmos storage site. Although Rafales stayed at a stand off distance of 100's of kms to strike targets within Pakistan and though succeeded in hitting but took own losses also. This shows that whenever India brings military assets (aircrafts, tanks etc) towards Pakistan to strike, Pakistan starts targeting them and then picks more targets to strike back. Indian military excercise near the border could face the same consquences.

So, should the global nexus (Israel -India and others) again try to tie down Pakistan in a conventional conflict ? Like Ops Sindoor 2.0. or create a new conflict on south west border (Creek and Rann) ?

TTP and BLA are unable to tie down Pakistan's conventional forces thanks to FC. Navy hardly sees any action being the weakest of all the three forces, yet Indian Navy doesn't dare to venture near Pakistani waters. LOC is heavy militarized on both sides with artillery, mortar, RPGs and AAA guns, so shelling causes damage on both sides whenever it starts, so both sides don't hold back.

India has been testing Pakistan's weak areas but so far found the TTP and BLA card, the most effective against Pakistan, something that India's own military has been unable to accomplish. Any other front that India tries to open against Pakistan, gets a thrashing response from Pakistan and is bogged down within days with minimal effect.

Another thought- would COAS and PM had given back IAF pilot if any was downed in May 2025 ? This comes to mind since PAF didn't cause damage to Indian infrastructure in 2019 and said next time we will hit. In 2025, PAF and PA MLRS started hitting targets within India.

Is it the leadership of 2025 or is it Military's promise from 2019 that next time we will hit ?

Pak will not deploy more resources towards afghan border. the threat from indian side is quite big this time. Last time, some of the tanks of indian army were destroyed. This time, there is chance of invasion. the idea of blitzkrieg is nothing new. Pak is not ready to lose territory even if taliban captures some of our cities from the other side. two front is not favorable and we are trying to avoid it.

Yes ttp and bla is a big threat because it's unconventional but the threat from indian side is quite big this time with chance of heavy damage on our side as well.

 

[Signalian]

Pak will not deploy more resources towards afghan border. the threat from indian side is quite big this time. Last time, some of the tanks of indian army were destroyed. This time, there is chance of invasion. the idea of blitzkrieg is nothing new. Pak is not ready to lose territory even if taliban captures some of our cities from the other side. two front is not favorable and we are trying to avoid it.

Yes ttp and bla is a big threat because it's unconventional but the threat from indian side is quite big this time with chance of heavy damage on our side as well.

You have been watching too many defense analysis videos on Youtube

And you didn't answer the questions.

 

[Signalian]

Yeah, M2K, Mig29, and SU-30 MKI cannot be deemed as brand new beautiful planes. These are old ugly planes. So, the question is if he was implying that IAF lost 7 Rafales in May?

SU30 is a majestic beast in looks. It really is a beautiful bird. Cant say the same about Mig-29 but Mirage2000 is slick beauty also, the flight of delta wings are a thrill to watch.

 

[Hayabusa]

@gamaji

Indians are getting kicked and humiliated almost everywhere in world.

We maybe getting Bagram in return.

Regards

Getting Bagram is your worse nightmare. Nothing to laugh about. Literally within range of Pakistan's AGM as well as probably exposed to so much more proxy attacks.

Not forgetting you will be pissing China and possibly Russia.

 

[Signalian]

While we are floating theories to guess what kind of missile (if any) it was, what do you people think of the possibility that it is DF-21D ASBM, and we purchased it to counter INS Vikrant?

The sale of DF-21 to Saudi Arabia was previously approved by USA.

There is more talk on PL-17 and new AMRAAMs for PAF. Currently, no PAF fighter has radar range to target and fire with these missiles. Using Data link, radar range of AWACs and missiles own seeker are theoretically the avialble options. One would wish for SATCOM guidance for the A2A missile, tricky though.

 

[Signalian]

If we had purchased missile from China, we wouldn't be testing it right away. Either our indigenous design or a JV.

HQ-9 is an underestimated missile system. It is modern than S-400 in terms of capability albeit shorter range but has better tracking, target identification, countermeasures and anti jamming systems.