Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Majestic said:
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I think India trying to win war in NOTAM
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Hum bas yeh NOTAM's ko discuss kartey, kartey buddhay ho jain ge.
 
Signalian said:
In south, PAF has 5th Sqd with F-16 Block 52+.

Primary role of Mirage is delivery of H2 and H4. That requires use of data link and 2 x aircrafts.
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Such a large waste of resources to use one missile in this day and age. 2 jets, 2 pilots and 1 weapon system operator to do what one single Babur or read or storm shadow can do.

All this from the mirages has to be done with line of sight aswell as they need to be guided to the target and the ew jamming/self defence capabilities are limited compared to jF17/f16/j10ce etc. it’s a shame that PAF cannot afford to replace/retire them now.
 
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Signalian said:
Mirage-V can carry 1 x Exocet which has 70km range.
JFT can carry 2 x AShMs with different ranges up to 200 Km+
So JFT is more viable platform since it carries modern RWRs, DL for link 17 with AWACs etc.

For the missile, a ship is a moving target, so would the missile require guidance corrections from data link (JFT or AWACs) and how susceptible will it be to jamming.

Are all IN ships equipped with CIWS ?
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Cm802/exocet are both primarily INS guided afaik so they will not require communication with aircraft. CIWS is not the primary defensive method against AShMs. IN has plenty of systems like barak 8 that pose significant threat to any attack. This means any attack must be TOT attack with several waves and large ammounts of AWACs and aireal refuelling coverage. This will be very hard if main IN CSG requires our aircraft to go 200km+ from karachi for example
 
Ali_Baba said:
Such a large waste of resources to use one missile in this day and age. 2 jets, 2 pilots and 1 weapon system operator to do what one single Babur or read or storm shadow can do.
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This is not really the case. With good Datalink a single aircraft can laze a target for multiple other aircraft. And H2/h4 are still extremely capable weapons that penetrated into indian airspace with deadly precision in 2019. They absolutely do pose a threat to any IN IA and IAF asset that can be approached under SEAD cover providing a relatively cost effective method
 
Iamibbi32 said:
Cm802/exocet are both primarily INS guided afaik so they will not require communication with aircraft. CIWS is not the primary defensive method against AShMs. IN has plenty of systems like barak 8 that pose significant threat to any attack. This means any attack must be TOT attack with several waves and large ammounts of AWACs and aireal refuelling coverage. This will be very hard if main IN CSG requires our aircraft to go 200km+ from karachi for example
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So in theory the most viable option would be to saturate their AEWACS, and sneak in a few ASBMs (hopefully HGV or MaRV)?
 
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Here comes 26 Inch chest :p
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6 pm say pehley strikes may happen....

most probably ...he will announce 10years defense pact with USA....
 
hnn said:
So in theory the most viable option would be to saturate their AEWACS, and sneak in a few ASBMs (hopefully HGV or MaRV)?
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I do not have much high hopes in ASBM tech as it is still unproven and whatever pakistan can throw at IN in even an isolated case is insufficient for threat posed by a conventrated IN fleet. Saturating their AEW aircraft may not even be necessary as india has very limited capability in this regards already. The problem inherently lies in the fact that whilst Southern command PAF is highly capable of a strike the question is just how large scale strike the threat requires will likely be beyond their capability without repositioning several assets and giving up a large ammount of capability needed to keep IAF busy to fight IN. The alternative is large subsurface and surface assets of PN being commited to a ToT attack that will be very hard to pull off and make them very exposed in the process. In either case pakistan will risk enormous ammounts of men and material in order to simply limit some of the INs ability to operate. The only conclusive method to deal with a concentrated IN fleet before it poses a threat to karachi and PN is simply by using tactical nuclear weapons and you must know why thats not a very easy option
 
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