Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Be dazzled]

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[Ibbi32]

this does not look very good. as a karachiite i hope it doesnt escalate to further strikes

 

[NA71]

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Can't believe it......they are creating the war justification....now violation is certain from either side.....accedental fire and hit is a real scenario.....

 

[Ibbi32]

Both navies staring eye to eye just 240 nautical miles apart for almost 12 hours now. I've seen plenty of MPA activity as well. Seeing all this I'm certain PN is itching to lay it on the IN. Vikrant hasn't run away yet surprisingly even though mug 29s have faulty radars and literally no adequate bvr to respond to PAFs moves. Karachi Gwadar Ormara and coastal defence is being ramped since yesterday. Thats where we are ATM.

sir is PAF air cover and MPA airborne with fleet or are they still at base

 

[NA71]

this does not look very good. as a karachiite i hope it doesnt escalate to further strikes

For whole Pakistan bro

 

[Be dazzled]

Sea Eagle is always alert.

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[Be dazzled]

sir is PAF air cover and MPA airborne with fleet or are they still at base

Deployed already. Thunders over the sea.

 

[Psyko70]

Oh my. You sleep and then wake up to see cliffhanger. This is getting exciting everyday.

If no war happens, I got new knowledge that how much nations are either "cowards" or are "tolerating" each other being enemies.

 

[hnn]

Interesting and factual. They've created so much noise that backing off isn't an option. They're stuck between a rock and a ditch.

I think the hype is get us to do a lame move that will justify their military action. If we don't provide them with any, they can brush it off as just "military exercises to be prepared if any terrorist activity or any other sleighting Indian's national interest is carried out by Pakistan" - you know the "Ongoing Op Sindoor" narrative here.

Examples of baiting us into a lame move that they have recently tried (past couple of weeks):-
1. Warning shots at civilians on LOC to deter them from any near LOC infrastructural development. BTW the warning shots only came after they had been announcing to not carry out any development near LOC. They announce that almost every day on loudspeakers.
2. Specifically, pointing towards Pakistan's military infrastructural development in Sir Creek area and then carrying out these exercises in the vicinity of it.

 

[hussain0216]

Firstly, if they use that much firepower as a pre-emptive strikes then the escalation ladder will be out of the equation.

Secondly, it'll be very hard to defend against a missile barrage of that scale. So, it'll really depends on early detection, at which point all PAF assets will have to be airborne to scramble away from missile trajectories to minimize any damage. If India predict the dispersion accurately, then they could follow up with an IAF aeriel ambush. It'll be tricky for PAF to scramble in a manner that minimizes the chances for the assets to get ambushed while also occupying space that allow them to defend / counter attack. However, PAF most likely has that contingency already planned.

Lastly, any preemptive strike of that scale will leave very few responsive options for Pakistan, and I don't want to guess what that response will be, however, it'll militarily justify a SOS response.

On a side note, I don't think India will launch any preemptive strike of that sort because:-
1. As described above - would force Pakistan's hand to respond in a manner that doesn't serve in the best interest of either country.
2. To carry out such a large scale pre-emptive strikes, India needs a cause that justifies the response - which they don't have - yet.
3. For Modi, the optics of Indian population living under a national illusion and collective fear of a looming war with a "national enemy" - serves better to maintain status quo for his political/power goals instead of that illusion turning into a reality, especially where they force Pakistan's hand into a mass civilian casuality response.

I don't know what goes in Modi's head but I don't think he's as foolish and testosterone driven monster as one might think, he's a cunning and exploitative politician after all. I'd guess, even if he wants some sort of military action, he'd want a high-intensity localized conflict. Still, the fallacy that he can commit is the same as any before him i.e. believing that they can write a scrip in their head and all eventualities will follow that script precisely.

In such a scenario FIRST STRIKE gives the attacker a massive advantage

In essence you are picking the time and date of your attack, you have your targets in mind and your plan should be in place

In Pakistan -India scenario that gives India a advantage and then Pakistan will be playing catch up, trying to mitigate the initial damage and respond


Pre-emptive strikes, must be considered by Pakistan if the threat level is so high to give us the advantage of first strike



We already lack comparative strategic depth AND our cities are close to the border, these are historical weaknesses Pakistan has and we can't allow India to strike first


At the minimum we need a immediate response ready NOW, and none of this three day later crap

 

[Ibbi32]

In such a scenario FIRST STRIKE gives the attacker a massive advantage

In essence you are picking the time and date of your attack, you have your targets in mind and your plan should be in place

In Pakistan -India scenario that gives India a advantage and then Pakistan will be playing catch up, trying to mitigate the initial damage and respond


Pre-emptive strikes, must be considered by Pakistan if the threat level is so high to give us the advantage of first strike



We already lack comparative strategic depth AND our cities are close to the border, these are historical weaknesses Pakistan has and we can't allow India to strike first


At the minimum we need a immediate response ready NOW, and none of this three day later crap

first strike against what? we need a credible casus beli for striking whatever we do

 

[hussain0216]

first strike against what? we need a credible casus beli for striking whatever we do

If we believe a Indian attack is coming then that is casus beli enough


India may be just strutting around because it feels humiliated, but we can't take that risk

That's why this scenario is so dangerous and India is so stupid for taking this path

 

[NA71]

In such a scenario FIRST STRIKE gives the attacker a massive advantage

In essence you are picking the time and date of your attack, you have your targets in mind and your plan should be in place

In Pakistan -India scenario that gives India a advantage and then Pakistan will be playing catch up, trying to mitigate the initial damage and respond


Pre-emptive strikes, must be considered by Pakistan if the threat level is so high to give us the advantage of first strike



We already lack comparative strategic depth AND our cities are close to the border, these are historical weaknesses Pakistan has and we can't allow India to strike first


At the minimum we need a immediate response ready NOW, and none of this three day later crap

In that case entire blame of war will be on Pakistan as aggressor

 

[Sal12]

Relax, No war is coming on eastern side.

 

[hussain0216]

In such a scenario FIRST STRIKE gives the attacker a massive advantage

In essence you are picking the time and date of your attack, you have your targets in mind and your plan should be in place

In Pakistan -India scenario that gives India a advantage and then Pakistan will be playing catch up, trying to mitigate the initial damage and respond


Pre-emptive strikes, must be considered by Pakistan if the threat level is so high to give us the advantage of first strike



We already lack comparative strategic depth AND our cities are close to the border, these are historical weaknesses Pakistan has and we can't allow India to strike first


At the minimum we need a immediate response ready NOW, and none of this three day later crap

Just further to the above, one of the reasons India is currently so humiliated is because in May 2025 India committed FIRST STRIKE,
It picked the time and date of the attack and should have had its plans both offensive and defensive in place

Now beyond the social media cope by Indians

Any serious military would understand how poor the Indian military was in planning and implementation to going from first strike to having multiple jets shot down and your airforce grounded


Because if Pakistan wanted to it could have caused CHAOS in India if it pushed with the attack

India could have lost 20-30 planes and Pakistan would have had aerial dominance


THAT is why Infront of the worlds militaries WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED, India is so humiliated



the subsequent firing of missiles at each other, any idiot can do, and beyond Indian fanboy cope is no major victory when India was also taking damage