US Political News and Trump’s China visit

[dbc]

@Yommie please stop spamming Fox news content. Those who love fox news can go to the fox website and get their fill straight from the source we don't need you to spam it here.Consider this a warning further action will follow if you persist.

 

[nahtanbob]

are you saying he was right or that its better now because the war+insurgency has ended

The decision to topple Saddam was the right one. The plan was terrible. A lot of short-term pain and suffering happened. Iraq is better now - of course, you will have Pakistanis pretending like they know better than Iraqis.

 

[nahtanbob]

The operators with experience knew it war on a hogwash premise to start that war. It was such a distraction for the country, and paved the way for the US to cede ground (economically, diplomatically, industrially) to a rising China.

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No disagreements here. A swift clinical operation to topple Saddam, followed by an American pullout, would be a better plan.

 

[Dalit]

The decision to topple Saddam was the right one. The plan was terrible. A lot of short-term pain and suffering happened. Iraq is better now - of course, you will have Pakistanis pretending like they know better than Iraqis.

You don't even belong on this Pakistani Defence Forum and you are taunting Pakistanis. The audacity is mindnumbing.

 

[Toxic]

The decision to topple Saddam was the right one. The plan was terrible. A lot of short-term pain and suffering happened. Iraq is better now - of course, you will have Pakistanis pretending like they know better than Iraqis.

Lot of pakis consider Saddam their Abba despite the fact he was literally Anti Pakistani and armed Baloch insurgents.

 

[nahtanbob]

Lot of pakis consider Saddam their Abba despite the fact he was literally Anti Pakistani and armed Baloch insurgents.

The Iraq war was a bad precedent - an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign state. No arguments here. That was my grounds for opposing the war.

 

[Trailer23]

The decision to topple Saddam was the right one. The plan was terrible. A lot of short-term pain and suffering happened. Iraq is better now - of course, you will have Pakistanis pretending like they know better than Iraqis.

How 'bout a Pakistani that has been to every major City in Iraq & met with Iraqis...?

Would that suffice?

The only Iraqis' that were happy that Saddam was gone (at the time) were Kurdish people in Erbil & Sulaymaniyah. Now..., even their views have changed.

People in Basra, Najaf, Kirkuk & Baghdad still miss him & that is majority of the population.

Not sure which News Media you get your facts from, Nithin...

 

[Watandar]

A very evil man, hugely responsible for fooling Bush II and launching completely unnecessary Gulf War 2. In retrospect Americans say the mishandling of 9/11 meant they took their eye off China.

 

[Toxic]

How 'bout a Pakistani that has been to every major City in Iraq & met with Iraqis...?

Would that suffice?

The only Iraqis' that were happy that Saddam was gone (at the time) were Kurdish people in Erbil & Sulaymaniyah. Now..., even their views have changed.

People in Basra, Najaf, Kirkuk & Baghdad still miss him & that is majority of the population.

Not sure which News Media you get your facts from, Nithin...

They only regret toppling him because of what happened after, Saddam's toppling left a power vacuum which led to 2 decades of war.

 

[Watandar]

They only regret toppling him because of what happened after, Saddam's toppling left a power vacuum which led to 2 decades of war.

thats true. The toppling of Saddam ended up handing Iraq over to Iran, something the Americans were not expecting. After realizing that blunder Bush and his Gulf buddies launched the hugely destructive war in Syria/western Iraq via ISIS.

 

[nahtanbob]

How 'bout a Pakistani that has been to every major City in Iraq & met with Iraqis...?

Would that suffice?

The only Iraqis' that were happy that Saddam was gone (at the time) were Kurdish people in Erbil & Sulaymaniyah. Now..., even their views have changed.

People in Basra, Najaf, Kirkuk & Baghdad still miss him & that is majority of the population.

Not sure which News Media you get your facts from, Nithin...

45% of the population was born after Saddam was toppled.

I have spoken to half a dozen Iraqi exiles in the USA. All of them are Shia. They want nothing to do with Saddam.

 

[gamaji]

Lot of pakis consider Saddam their Abba despite the fact he was literally Anti Pakistani and armed Baloch insurgents.

Iraq was not alone in doing that. Many other USSR client states were doing that. BTW, not trying to defend him.

 

[FuturePAF]

No disagreements here. A swift clinical operation to topple Saddam, followed by an American pullout, would be a better plan.

Or even better yet, a regional led force, by the GCC, negotiating with second tier leadership or the tribes, taking out Saddam (or sending him and his sons into exile in Russia) could have allowed for local structures to be transferred over and a smooth transition. No risk of Iran moving in with its proxies, no risk of looking like an American led operation, causing a backlash.

That war; the costs in men and material, the lost potential, especially in the face of a rising rival. All so a few could line their pockets at the expense of the US and the world order built since 1945. Cheney and the neocons did more harm to the nation and the region than anyone is acknowledging.

 

[Trailer23]

45% of the population was born after Saddam was toppled.

I have spoken to half a dozen Iraqi exiles in the USA. All of them are Shia. They want nothing to do with Saddam.

Half a dozen. Basically 6, huh.

I have that number of Malabaris working in the Supermarket downstairs.

And you're talking about the ones living in the US.

If you value their opinion so much, then I see no issues with that of our resident Dutchboy ( @Dalit ).

Beta, I would love for those 6-7 exiled Iraqis to come & share their opinion about Saddam at a neuteral venue like Dubai.

 

[Waz]

Nasty, war criminal blubbering oaf. He died angry and upset at Trump, ironically calling him the worst thing ever to happen to the USA lol.