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[Meengla]

He should have though, SMQ, Fawad Ch, Ali Muhammad, Qaiser, President Alvi are some good leaders. This is something that's annoying, IK is in jail and he should really be giving authority to the core committe of PTI, to negotiate with all parties, reach a settlement regarding the current situation, then wait a few years and come back to power. That's how politics is played but instead decisions are still made by IK who in reality shouldn't have a clue on what is EXACTLY happening on the outside. We all talk about jamuriyat but noone follows it.

Imran Khan and PTI Errors, Inconsistencies, and Reversals:
Imran Khan and the PTI leadership, during the long marches, gatherings, and sit-ins, consistently criticized and even engaged in character assassination of the opposition political leadership. Over time, this practice became a recurring pattern. Initially, they praised the judiciary and military establishment, but this stance shifted, and they began to target these institutions with similar criticism, revealing inconsistencies and reversals in their rhetoric, during the long march and sit-ins PTI praised the ISI and generals, mentioned “the boots are coming”, a claim that army will topple Nawaz Sharif, but after his own removal he turned anti army and ISI, his senior party leader Javid Hashmi advised Imran Khan to not use establishment help but Imran Khan ignored the advice which lead him to a trap, he blamed Usa for conspiracy to remove him, which later on he backed off, he blamed General Bajwa for his removal, and called establishment Mir Jaffer and Mir Sadiq (traitors) but the same people were hero's when they backed him and his party, after general Bajwa retired PTI went after the new general Asim Munir.

When a TLP leader issued a fatwa against General Bajwa, labeling him a traitor, PTI supporters rallied behind Bajwa and strongly condemned the TLP leader, with some even calling for extreme measures against him. At that time, PTI backed the harsh treatment of TLP protesters. However, when PTI itself faced similar situations with protests and government crackdowns, they complained about the same treatment. Imran Khan previously labeled figures like Nawaz Sharif and Altaf Hussain as traitors for speaking out against the military leadership. However, in a turn of events, he later adopted a similar approach, criticizing the generals through his speeches and with the help of his online followers.

PTI announced a jail-filling movement, but when its leaders and followers were imprisoned, Imran Khan labeled it state oppression and called for their release. Many party members advised him against allowing electables into PTI, but he ignored their warnings. Initially, when these electables joined PTI, it was seen as a victory; however, when they later left the party, they were labeled as turncoats. In Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK), numerous politicians and supporters from PPP and PML-N joined PTI, including senior leaders from other parties. Despite bringing in these familiar faces with the same old mentality, they ultimately betrayed Imran Khan, reflecting the challenges of relying on established political figures.

During the first vote of confidence, Imran Khan and PTI confidently claimed they held the majority in parliament, and Imran Khan successfully secured the vote. However, during the second motion, which was a no-confidence motion (NCM), PTI again insisted they had the majority, though they did not. Sheikh Rasheed, an ally of Imran Khan, advised dissolving the assemblies and calling for new elections, as he knew PTI had lost its majority. However, PTI refused this advice. The establishment also got involved, informing Imran Khan that he could either proceed with the NCM or dissolve the assemblies and opt for elections, as they too were aware he would be removed if the motion proceeded in the National Assembly. Despite this, Imran Khan chose not to listen to Sheikh Rasheed or the establishment. When the NCM was tabled, and the Speaker of the Assembly attempted to block the process, Imran Khan then tried to dissolve the assemblies and call for elections, which was against the law. The judiciary intervened, insisting that the NCM must proceed. Imran Khan made a critical mistake by not dissolving the assemblies before the NCM was tabled. Later, Imran Khan also made the decision to resign from the provincial assemblies, despite PTI leader Pervez Elahi advising against it. This decision led to PTI losing all political power and facing severe consequences, including heavy actions from the police, agencies, and the Shehbaz Sharif government.

At the time, General Bajwa attempted to contact Imran Khan, but Khan refused to engage with the military leadership. However, in 2024, PTI is now expressing a willingness to speak with the military, while simultaneously complaining that the military is not responsive. This reflects a pattern where PTI criticized the military's involvement in politics when it suited them, yet complained when the military did not intervene. Imran Khan was also repeatedly advised to negotiate with the opposition during his tenure, which he refused. Ironically, he is now engaging with figures like JUI-F chief Fazlur Rehman and Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party leader Mahmood Khan Achakzai, whom he previously labeled as traitors but now views as allies. Furthermore, before coming to power, Imran Khan advocated for military intervention to remove corrupt leadership, yet now blames the military for political interference, showcasing an inconsistency in his stance.

After Imran Khan's removal, PTI's social media leadership launched an aggressive campaign against the army and ISI, labeling them as traitors and American agents. They called for junior generals to overthrow the senior leadership and orchestrated a well-planned propaganda effort, predicting the collapse of the Pakistan Army's chain of command. In response, DG ISI Nadeem Anjum remarked that while the people of Pakistan have every right to criticize the military, spreading false propaganda, calling them traitors and Mir Jafers, and attempting to turn the public against the institution is unacceptable.

Imran Khan made several promises regarding electoral reforms, improving the education system, updating state institutions, establishing a model police force, and implementing health reforms. However, during PTI's time in power, these promises were not fully realized for various reasons, including administrative challenges, political opposition, and shifting priorities. As a result, many of these reforms remained unfulfilled.

Throughout Pakistan's history, its agencies and establishment have closely monitored foreign relations. However, during Imran Khan's tenure, several key allies, such as the USA, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE, were reportedly displeased with his approach. His efforts to form an alliance of non-Arab nations strained relations with Saudi Arabia, which allegedly responded by threatening to demand early loan repayments and repatriate millions of Pakistani workers. Additionally, the USA was reportedly unhappy with Pakistan's neutral stance on the Ukraine-Russia conflict, especially as the US adopted an aggressive policy in support of Ukraine, General Bajwa had to intervene and publicly announce Pakistan's opposition to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which was in direct contrast to the government's policy of neutrality. This move highlighted a clear divergence between the military's stance and the PTI government's foreign policy, reflecting the growing tensions between the two on handling international relations.

Imran Khan's efforts to strengthen ties with the Taliban, Iran, and Russia heightened tensions with the USA, which viewed these moves unfavorably. This, along with his neutral stance on the Ukraine-Russia conflict, contributed to a breakdown in relations with key allies like the USA, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE, who have historically played influential roles in Pakistan’s affairs. These actions also caused friction with the Pakistan Army, which traditionally maintains a cautious and balanced approach to foreign policy, further straining civil-military relations during Khan's tenure.

Your posts are well worth reading and pondering. Thank you very much for taking the time to inform the forum, especially the expats in the West, who secretly or openly still put ANY faith in a person like Imran Khan.

 

[Meengla]

However, during the second motion, which was a no-confidence motion (NCM), PTI again insisted they had the majority, though they did not. Sheikh Rasheed, an ally of Imran Khan, advised dissolving the assemblies and calling for new elections, as he knew PTI had lost its majority. However, PTI refused this advice. The establishment also got involved, informing Imran Khan that he could either proceed with the NCM or dissolve the assemblies and opt for elections, as they too were aware he would be removed if the motion proceeded in the National Assembly. Despite this, Imran Khan chose not to listen to Sheikh Rasheed or the establishment. When the NCM was tabled, and the Speaker of the Assembly attempted to block the process, Imran Khan then tried to dissolve the assemblies and call for elections, which was against the law.

This quoted part really, really needs to be understood by all Pakistanis to understand who Imran Khan really is and what happened. Please pay attention to the bolded parts especially:
First bolded part: Imran had become unpopular by spring 2022 and that's why he didn't dissolve the Assemblies and call for early elections.
Second bolded part: 'against the law': Indeed, once an NCM is tabled, it has to be voted upon; that's a law in Parliamentary democracies and there is no way around it.

PS. I think Pakistanis could benefit from reading the archives of Dawn.com from about October 2021 till the second week of April 2022 and they then will be able to piece together what exactly happened in those six odd months. And if they have an iota of political sense, they should be able to see that Imran was a liar, a manipulator, a coward, a stooge of the Establishment, and also an unpopular Prime Minister by the time the NCM was tabled. He gained popularity because of selling the 'Chooran' for one year appealing to Pakistanis' Anti Americanism.

 

[PakAl]

Your posts are well worth reading and pondering. Thank you very much for taking the time to inform the forum, especially the expats in the West, who secretly or openly still put ANY faith in a person like Imran Khan.

Just sharing what I observed and studied. For a political party and politician it's best to recognise the shortcomings and come back stronger. I can share similar errors by the military establishment from the times of Fatima Jinnah, Ayub Khan, Bangal war, Zulfiqar, Benazir, Nawaz Imran, extremism etc but that will change in to a different topic. We can all debate for years but at the end of the day it's typical desi mentality which is the issue, a mentality full of ego, lack of awareness, biased, narrow mindness, half baked brain if any.

 

[Meengla]

And what about Buzdar?

Do you think if a PM is serious about progress he would appoint someone like him to the richest and most productive province, the engine room of Pakistan?

Because Imran was hellbent on making Buzdar 'Wasim Akram 2' and his mighty ego could not accept he had made a mistake by appointing Buzdar to such a critical position. But as soon as Imran had appointed Buzdar, some of his strongest supporters like the old journalist Haroon Rashid termed that a bad decision.
Every failure of Imran boils down to severe personality flaws and being political idiot.

 

[PakAl]

This quoted part really, really needs to be understood by all Pakistanis to understand who Imran Khan really is and what happened. Please pay attention to the bolded parts especially:
First bolded part: Imran had become unpopular by spring 2022 and that's why he didn't dissolve the Assemblies and call for early elections.
Second bolded part: 'against the law': Indeed, once an NCM is tabled, it has to be voted upon; that's a law in Parliamentary democracies and there is no way around it.

PS. I think Pakistanis could benefit from reading the archives of Dawn.com from about October 2021 till the second week of April 2022 and they then will be able to piece together what exactly happened in those six odd months. And if they have an iota of political sense, they should be able to see that Imran was a liar, a manipulator, a coward, a stooge of the Establishment, and also an unpopular Prime Minister by the time the NCM was tabled. He gained popularity because of selling the 'Chooran' for one year appealing to Pakistanis' Anti Americanism.

The plan to remove Imran Khan by PDM was started 1 year before, opposition politicians on media were claiming IK lost majority in the parliament, this is why IK gained 1st confidence Vote around March 2021.
He won this one with no issues.


The 2nd one started to heat up around November 2021 time, Fazlur Rehman was arguing on tv with someone on the phone and hinting it was someone from the establishment, they were pressurising the PDM to not go through with it but by next year PDM became successful April 2022.

Imran Khan went ahead with the vote but Sheikh Rasheed an experienced politician was correct, he knew PTI will be trapped but IK didnt listen, he is either naive/inexperienced or stupid, and once vote went through IK lost, he then dissolved the same assemblies. Why not do it before the motion was tabled, it was only a few weeks difference. By the way Sheikh Rasheed only advised IK to dissolve the assemblies, the rest is my opinion that Sheikh Rasheed knew PTI will loose the vote and that's what exactly happened, Pti lost and got trapped, and it lead to crises which lead IK to jail. Sheikh Rasheed wanted new elections, come to power without Mqm Pmlq Bap and the lotas.

Similarly how PTI refused to sit in the opposition, dissolved all assemblies, Pervez Ellahi warned IK not to do it because Pakistan politics is power politics but IK refused to listen. Today despite IK in jail, Pti is sitting in the opposition and in provisional assemblies. They made grave errors and realised once they got slaughtered by the opposition, and now they're not making the same mistake. Another error was when Imran Khan was saying we will win provisional assemblies and then resign the next day, and then call for new elections and repeat until PDM resigns for elections, this made alot of powerful people upset since they wanted stability.

PTI current mistake is not finding a solution to current issues, their leader is in jail and he could face serious charges/punishment. IF they had some brains they would do what Fawad Ch and few others are trying to do, to calm down the anti establishment narrative, negotiate, bring IK out, and then after a few years come back with a better approach.

 

[Oscar]

I am educating people the real history while slapping you silly. You are just a vessel. Empt vessel. Just making noises and the show.

Tu cheez kia hai? Tuhj jaisay bahoot phany khanon ko seediha kia hai main nay. You are a softy.

Mullah Umar tera thoko hai kia? Pay attention to what I write. Taliban movement were made of young men and boys from madrassas in Afghanistan and Pakistan who never saw Soviets, let alone fought them. Hell, huge numbers of them came from madrassas in Pakistan. Ever heard of madrassa haqqaniya?

You talk a lot, pipe it down.

Abay chal - so called internet tough guy.
You have nothing to show and are projecting your own insecurities. Ghar se tameez seekhi nahin aur jab koi tumhari zabaan mein baat karay tu "pipe it down". You and your entire DNA strain from the point it separated cant do jack to anyone.

What you write is nonsense and keep claiming that out of nowhere young men and boys were organized by ISI out of thin air. Like I said - Aadha teetar aadha batair.

 

[Oscar]

Okay guys @Oscar @Taimoor please Pursukoon ho jao. The Taliban were formed by 1000s of students who studied in Pakistan maddrassas, they weren't kids but grown men who fought against soviet union, their chosen leader Mullah Umar is educated in Pakistan but fought against soviets. Taliban won Afghanistan interal mujahdeen war due to support by foreign elements, links with Pakistan religous schools. The other mujahdeens despite being majority couldn't win, they simply didn't have the resources.

Ive had it with behaving civil with that ignorant individual.
Those who cannot show civil decorum deserve NONE.

As for your post - it is still showing the logic that none of his have.
Mullah Umar was already preaching the idea of a Sharia(his interpretation) led government and order in Afghanistan before ISI caught wind of it and organized it further into a military arm.

 

[Meengla]

The 2nd one started to heat up around November 2021 time, Fazlur Rehman was arguing on tv with someone on the phone and hinting it was someone from the establishment, they were pressurising the PDM to not go through with it but by next year PDM became successful April 2022.

He never had the majority; it was a cobbled alliance engineered by the Establishment and even his own party was full of the 'Electable' turncoats. He won the first NCM because the military coerced 'allies' like MQM to vote for Imran. The second time around, the military wasn't obliging.
Your long post is again spot on. The veterans--the real political brains like Sheikh Rasheed and Ch. Pervez Elahi knew what to do then and what was coming but, my God, Imran proved so stubborn, so stupid that he even wanted the powerful Punjab Assembly to be dissolved. Who would do that?!!! The six months between the Fall of 2021 and April 2022 betrayed an incredible lack of a political brain, incredible hubris, and incredible stubbornness. The idiot could have sat in the Opposition Benches as a very powerful Leader of the Opposition: He would still have the K-P government and even if Punjab Assembly was lost, he had a large presence there too.

 

[Forsvaret]

Because Imran was hellbent on making Buzdar 'Wasim Akram 2' and his mighty ego could not accept he had made a mistake by appointing Buzdar to such a critical position.

If I remember well, Imran Khan chose Buzdar to lead Punjab of all people because he lacked his own local support base to begin with. Also, establishment wanted to bring in someone close to them such as Jahangir Tareen or Aleem Khan as CM Punjab and that was simply unacceptable to Imran. Now, I am not saying Buzdar was the right choice because Imran made similar mistake when he chose establishment’s guy Ali Amin Gandapur as CM KPK.

 

[Oscar]

"military coerced 'allies' like MQM to vote for Imran"

This is a half-of-the-story statement - the military also sat outside voting booths (with pictures and plenty of witnesses available as well) and actively stopped workers from all other parties except PTI from entering the voting booths. Then with those additional votes secured did they also engineer the parliament vote.

 

[Forsvaret]

Imran Khan went ahead with the vote but Sheikh Rasheed an experienced politician was correct, he knew PTI will be trapped but IK didnt listen, he is either naive/inexperienced or stupid, and once vote went through IK lost, he then dissolved the same assemblies. Why not do it before the motion was tabled?

I think, Imran Khan at that time was relying on military establishment’s crutches to save his govt from opposition’s VONC. I remember Bajwa offered to mediate and asked PDM to back off from VONC in return for Imran dissolving assemblies and thus giving them fresh elections. But PDM by that time had gotten solid guarantees from abroad (US cipher) that Imran was to be removed through VONC only—which it ultimately did when military establishment sided with PDM too—while claiming to be "neutral" on TV through their DG ISPR.

 

[Waterboy]

I genuinely don’t understand why people are so emotional, and frankly irrational, to support a geriatric cocaine snorter who’s trying to burn the entire country down.

I see things very clearly: I want Pakistan to exist and survive as a state above all else. The only way we can maintain that is by supporting the military, knowing full well that it’s not perfect and is responsible for many of our problems , but it still remains the backbone of the state.

Now coming to PTI, I genuinely despise it. It’s such a hypocritical party, and Imran Khan is nothing but a snake charmer. You have to be an extremely emotional fool to not see how he played everyone in 2022 during the vote of no confidence, using anti-Americanism to gather popular support while simultaneously lobbying in America to regain power. His party even tried to push their supporters to sanction Pakistan’s military, including blocking F-16 parts and spare supplies, and they’ve constantly lobbied for legislation that would harm the state and its security. That, for me, is an extreme red line.

Then there’s KP. When I see the kind of racist and bigoted individuals holding power there, I can’t see PTI as a national party that wants to serve Pakistan’s interests. It’s become a Pashtun supremacist outfit. The new KP minister literally called a military general kaliya and acted like a street thug using slurs against Punjabis — ordinary people like me. I didn’t choose my brown skin color, and what does that have to do with performance?

You have Achakzai, appointed by Imran Khan as the leader of opposition, constantly pandering to pro-Taliban and pro-Afghan propaganda, even questioning the state’s existence. His daughter openly sides with Afghans at a time when we were losing around ten soldiers every day in KP. And I just think: what on earth is going on? Meanwhile, that old man in jail keeps tweeting against the military, appealing to pro-afghan and pro-Taliban ideologies, and people still think PTI is a patriotic party?

Anyone outside KP can clearly see that PTI’s entire politics now revolve around extreme ethnonationalism, blaming everything on the military while Afghan propaganda networks amplify their talking points to destabilize KP and Balochistan.

So how exactly does PTI serve my interests? It doesn’t. My priorities are simple, economic stability, national unity, and an end to the nonstop political drama that’s crippled Pakistan since 2008. PTI thrives on chaos instead of governance, using protests, street power, and populist and now ethnonationalist outrage to paralyze institutions and derail any chance of economic recovery. Every time the country gains even a hint of stability, they ignite another crisis, scaring off investors and sinking the rupee. Their politics aren’t about reform or policy; they’re about freeing one man and weaponizing KP to pressure the state. I genuinely don’t care about the 2024 elections or what the constitution says at this point, survival comes before procedure. We live in a volatile region where one neighbor openly talks about denuclearizing and balkanizing us, while another, claiming to be our “Islamic brother,” quietly enables those efforts. And PTI, whether deliberately or through sheer recklessness, is accelerating that process.

 

[Forsvaret]

I genuinely don’t understand why people are so emotional, and frankly irrational, to support a geriatric cocaine snorter who’s trying to burn the entire country down.

If he can do all that from a prison cell, he must be a Superman then.

 

[Forsvaret]

The only way we can maintain that is by supporting the military…

Bhutto was supporting the military when it lost East Pakistan to Sheikh Mujeeb and his Bengali nationalists forever…

 

[Forsvaret]

Now coming to PTI, I genuinely despise it.

I seriously do not understand why you needed to say that—since each and every word of yours is full of Bughaz-e-Imran to the core.