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[Forsvaret]

He does not believe in anyone else's opinion!

Which is why he gets to be the most popular Pakistani leader from his prison cell and everyone here talking about him in this political section.

 

[Forsvaret]

As I keep saying, even in this pro Imran forum, a poll says that 'PTI has no future after Imran'. Why is that after the so-called 27 years of struggle?

Because PTI is Imran Khan and Imran Khan is PTI. You simply can’t cut the body from its head.

 

[Forsvaret]

Guys: The issue with Imran is Imran himself!! There is no other way to put it.

Exactly! The issue is with Imran Khan because he simply refuses to bow down to Hazrat Asim Muneer and rejects to cut deals with military establishment anymore! He has come out of syllabus and we can’t tolerate that!

 

[Respect4Respect]

So, IK should just leave Pakistan in the hands of the same selfish and self-serving military establishment—which has been here and sucking its blood for the past 70+ years? And this final major boot licking from IK is somehow gonna "save" Pakistan going forward?

Some people present themselves as neutral, but the moment you engage them respectfully, their bias becomes clear and they start blaming PTI or Imran Khan for everything wrong in Pakistan while conveniently ignoring other actors. It's as if they use a different weighing scale for IK compared to other politicians. Nawaz Sharif took similar steps in the past, yet he chose to rely on GHQ’s support rather than face jail and return on his own terms. IK whether you agree with his views or not is still standing by his principles without compromising.

Success and failure are ultimately determined by destiny. If Allah S.W.T has willed a continued role for him, no force on earth can stop it. And if his time is over, then no power can bring him back into power.

If IK can be charged with treason, then what about those who violate Article 6 by breaking their oaths and meddling in politics? What about those who defied Supreme Court rulings and robbed the public of their mandate in broad daylight? Did PTI instruct them to do that?

 

[shanipisces2002]

Exactly! Pakistan’s military establishment wants people to vote but not decide who actually gets into power. They want people to seek justice in courts but not decide if it actually is served. They want people to consume the media but not decide if it’s actually showing the truth.

That’s a very good point. It shows that people in Pakistan are allowed to vote, go to court, and watch the news — but they don’t really get to decide what happens in the end. The military still keeps most of the power and control.


It’s like giving people the feeling that they have a choice, but the real decisions are made somewhere else.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

That’s a very good point. It shows that people in Pakistan are allowed to vote, go to court, and watch the news — but they don’t really get to decide what happens in the end. The military still keeps most of the power and control.


It’s like giving people the feeling that they have a choice, but the real decisions are made somewhere else.

Tories of Labour whichever you choose.. the right to defend Israel comes first.
taxes keep rising. unpopular wars continue. both benefit while the likes of Tommy Robinson keep the public attension away from their promises and on the incoming boats.

 

[shanipisces2002]

Tories of Labour whichever you choose.. the right to defend Israel comes first.
taxes keep rising. unpopular wars continue. both benefit while the likes of Tommy Robinson keep the public attension away from their promises and on the incoming boats.

Exactly — it doesn’t matter if it’s the Tories or Labour in charge. They focus on things like supporting Israel, while everyday problems like rising taxes and unpopular wars keep getting ignored.
But at least people can choose in Pakistan its opposite.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Another 2 major mistakes were encouraging army guys to topple Asim Munir, Facebook, Twitter, even PDF members were saying the same, some claimed army chain of command is collapsing. I also remember IK saying he is getting information from retired army people, which then led to Faiz Hameed getting trapped, the army must have known but didnt want to take action but then had no choice. Some Pmln leaders even went on tv and said IK is making a mistake, the retired guys are retired, they will not be able to help him and that's exactly what happened. Today noone is helping Imran Khan.

I personally think Imran Khan can face treason charges and be hanged like Bhutto but thankfully army is not doing that. I am talking about the high possibility not saying I want it to happen. This is why I always maintained PTI needs to get some senior leaders like Pervez Ellahi, SMQ, Sheikh Rasheed, Fawad Ch involved, give them the authority to negotiate with the establishment and find a way out, get IK out of jail, be peaceful for a few years and then slowly try to come back to power, this is not about a deal but political strategy to cool the situation down, even during wars people negotiate, allow aid to enter, dead bodies to be collected. Look at PPP and Pmln, they have decades old experienced politicians, all the big ones not once mentioned about IK getting hanged because deep down they know tomorrow it could be them, they are being careful otherwise they can support this move. I don't understand why Pti leadership doesn't encourage IK to do this, their aim should be to save him, what are they waiting for, for him to be hanged.

all true but for the sake of the state of Pakistan we must move on and Imran must be freed, he commands a big following and his incarseration is fanning the ethnic issues as well. we lost the opertunity in May this year to kiss and make up in the name of national unity.. now there is still a chance.

there are some in establishment who want his continued incarseration and thats understandable as they are rivals but what is disappointing is that some in PTI are willing to keep him behind bars and discourage and harass away anyone who tries to get him released

 

[shanipisces2002]

all true but for the sake of the state of Pakistan we must move on and Imran must be freed, he commands a big following and his incarseration is fanning the ethnic issues as well. we lost the opertunity in May this year to kiss and make up in the name of national unity.. now there is still a chance.

there are some in establishment who want his continued incarseration and thats understandable as they are rivals but what is disappointing is that some in PTI are willing to keep him behind bars and discourage and harass away anyone who tries to get him released

Absolutely! moving forward and freeing Imran is crucial for Pakistan’s stability. His continued incarceration fuels divisions, and with his large following, it risks deepening tensions further. The chance to restore national unity was indeed missed in May, but there’s still an opportunity to take the right steps now if the establishment wants to. But we know there are people in establishment who want's him behind bars, but it’s really disheartening when some within PTI also support keeping him there and even target those trying to help. That goes against the party’s own values and principles.

 

[Forsvaret]

It’s like giving people the feeling that they have a choice, but the real decisions are made somewhere else.

A picture is worth a thousand words:

 

[Meengla]

That’s a very good point. It shows that people in Pakistan are allowed to vote, go to court, and watch the news — but they don’t really get to decide what happens in the end. The military still keeps most of the power and control.
It’s like giving people the feeling that they have a choice, but the real decisions are made somewhere else.

The expat Pakistani community in the West are very vocal in deceiving the world about the bonafide of Imran Khan: He barely got 30% of the popular votes in the 2024 elections and even if that's not acceptable to the Imran supporter, consider that no political party in Pakistan history ever even touched 40% of the popular votes. Imran's popularity is exaggerated. And it is an insult to the mandate of other political parties that they don't have very considerable vote bank of their own.
Regardless of popularity, it is well worth looking into how Imran was propped up to power and why he lost power. He was indeed not fighting for some higher ideals. But, above all, his severe personality flaws make him an ill-suited person to lead Pakistan. He deserves what he is getting!!
This forum can really benefit from reading @PakAl posts in last couple of pages in this thread. Ponder those posts!

 

[Forsvaret]

Regardless of popularity, it is well worth looking into how Imran was propped up to power and why he lost power. He was indeed not fighting for some higher ideals.

We can either continue living in Imran Khan’s past or judge his conduct from what he has been doing at present from his prison cell.

 

[Respect4Respect]

We can either continue living in Imran Khan’s past or judge his conduct from what he has been doing at present from his prison cell.

Most Pakistanis see themselves as farishta, but if we all reflect on our pasts, none of us is truly duudh ka dhula.

 

[Master Chief]

So, IK should just leave Pakistan in the hands of the same selfish and self-serving military establishment—which has been here and sucking its blood for the past 70+ years? And this final major boot licking from IK is somehow gonna "save" Pakistan going forward?

Well, if you put it this way, then the question becomes: why should he sacrifice himself upon your altar of anarchy?

His hanging will not save Pakistan. His return to politics will also not save Pakistan because he (or at least his representatives) has demonstrated that he will compromise the security of the nation for his political agenda. This is surely a red line for Pakistanis. Is it not?

 

[shanipisces2002]

Most Pakistanis see themselves as farishta, but if we all reflect on our pasts, none of us is truly duudh ka

totally agree but unfortunately the elite and the establishment they think they are spotless