PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[Forsvaret]

You are speaking too much facts to the Imran fanbois who, parroting their Dear Leader, often bring up the loss of East Pakistan as a veiled threat to make the K-P province secede from Pakistan.

It’s actually the upside down. PTI fanboys absolutely not want KPK to secede from Pakistan and that’s why asking Fauji fanboys to learn from their mistakes in East Pakistan debacle.

 

[Forsvaret]

They and their Dear Leader are pathetic opportunists and frankly anti-Pakistan.

That’s right. Imran Khan and PTI are most likely "anti-Pakistan" for not singing Qaseedas in honor of Hazrat Asim Muneer and his military establishment.

 

[Forsvaret]

Anything to regain power!

Huh? Hasn’t military establishment already crossed ALL limits in their pursuit of not giving up their illegitimate capture and hold of entire Pakistan?

 

[Meengla]

@Forsvaret : Another Messiah Khan fanboi on my 'Ignore' list.

 

[Forsvaret]

@Forsvaret : Another Messiah Khan fanboi on my 'Ignore' list.

I actually consider it my honor—especially from a Messiah establishment fanboi.

 

[alphapak]

They and their Dear Leader are pathetic opportunists and frankly anti-Pakistan. Anything to regain power! Even if that means, Imran's sons publicly pinning their 'main hope' on America after Imran built his support base by accusing America for his ouster.
What a bunch of hypocrites and liars!

Every General pins their hopes on Papa Amreeka and then they are selected by
the CIA.

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[shanipisces2002]

As I’ve stated before, the primary duty of the establishment is to defend Pakistan’s borders — not to run the country. I genuinely struggle to understand why their supporters can’t grasp this simple truth. Despite all the manipulative and short-sighted tactics they’ve employed over the decades, they’ve failed miserably every time. History itself bears witness: they branded Sheikh Mujibur Rahman a traitor, when in reality, it was their own actions that tore the country apart. They didn’t even spare Quaid-e-Azam, Fatima Jinnah, or Liaquat Ali Khan. When the establishment has repeatedly turned on the very founders of this nation, what more can one expect from such self-serving and destructive forces?

 

[Oscar]

True, but who will actually fix the education system to raise literacy? Pakistan has long been controlled by the establishment and some powerful families. Why would they allow real reforms when an informed electorate would weaken their grip on power? the answer might be strong independent institutions, but that raises another dilemma, who will strengthen those institutions when the current weak system serves the interests of those in control?

Which is why the system is cyclic and potentially inescapable. Because to break such a cycle you need violent revolution or a military led revolution - that is not doable without the involvement of the educated middle class.
So the realization has to be had that in the end the true enemy of the establishment (not just the section of the military but as I repeat ad nauseum, a section of society)
is an educated middle class in Pakistan. To that extent that the part of the military and associated arm of this establishment will not tolerate even educated offspring of their own getting any social ideas so the push is to get them out, get them rich or detach from them.

 

[PakAl]

So friend, "Pakistan’" allowed fair elections and then "Pakistan" refused to hand over power? Who exactly is this "Pakistan"? The people who voted or the unelected general sitting in GHQ acting like aql e qul?

Bengalis weren’t demanding secession at first, they just wanted autonomy within a federal framework. The refusal to transfer power wasn’t about stopping independence, It was about preserving West Pakistan’s dominance and denying East Pakistan its democratic mandate.

what did that stubbornness achieve? The country split anyway. So maybe the real threat wasn’t Mujib’s mandate it was the fear of losing control?

The main question i have is why allow free and fair elections and then refuse to give the mandate. This is high treason. The Bangladeshi politicians found perfect excuse to fight for independence.

The same way Imran Khan informed everyone on his policies 1 decade before coming to power, he talked about good relations with Afghanistan, no to drone attacks, independent policy, be neutral, Pakistan first policy, no to slavery, he always rejected Pmln PPP and Mqm, he refused any relations with Israel or closeness to India, he wanted good relations with Iran and Russia. But now he is labelled as traitor and agent, how did he manage to fool the security forces?

 

[PakAl]

Which is why the system is cyclic and potentially inescapable. Because to break such a cycle you need violent revolution or a military led revolution - that is not doable without the involvement of the educated middle class.
So the realization has to be had that in the end the true enemy of the establishment (not just the section of the military but as I repeat ad nauseum, a section of society)
is an educated middle class in Pakistan. To that extent that the part of the military and associated arm of this establishment will not tolerate even educated offspring of their own getting any social ideas so the push is to get them out, get them rich or detach from them.

Its a game they will loose eventually. The armed forces must work with the civilians, reach common understanding and take Pakistan forward. Or just announce end of democracy, elections and start a theocracy but that will too fail when all misadventures will be blamed on the army. A civilian led government has its own benefits, let civilians deal with civilians, let them fight it out whilst you protect the country.

 

[Respect4Respect]

The main question i have is why allow free and fair elections and then refuse to give the mandate. This is high treason. The Bangladeshi politicians found person excuse to fight for independence.

The same way Imran Khan informed everyone on his policies 1 decade before coming to power, he talked about good relations with Afghanistan, no to drone attacks, independent policy, be neutral, Pakistan first policy, no to slavery, he always rejected Pmln PPP and Mqm, he refused any relations with Israel or closeness to India, he wanted good relations with Iran and Russia. But now he is labelled as traitor and agent, how did he manage to fool the security forces?

One of the biggest issues in Pakistan is that criticizing the army makes you a traitor, but in reality criticism is what keeps powerful institutions in check. Take the U.S as an example, people openly criticized the military for Iraq and Vietnam and nobody questioned their loyalty to the country.

Just look at the recent NYC elections, Mamdani won even though the president opposed him, the people’s choice stood above the most powerful man on earth. That’s how democracy is supposed to work, institutions protecting the vote instead of manipulating it.

 

[hasssanali8998]

criticizing the army makes you a traitor

if so then most of the posters here are traitors including me .
let me make it easier for you
criticizing army > not traitor
siding with afghan saying they will make you remember your mothers name , parroting mahrangs propaganda , asking retired army and active duty army to help you overthrow army leadership > you are a traitor

 

[Respect4Respect]

if so then most of the posters here are traitors including me .
let me make it easier for you
criticizing army > not traitor
siding with afghan saying they will make you remember your mothers name , parroting mahrangs propaganda , asking retired army and active duty army to help you overthrow army leadership > you are a traitor

Look, treason is about siding with enemies against the state, it’s not about questioning policies. People in any society are going to have different opinions and you can’t just slap the “traitor” label on them for that. Right now this hybrid regime keeps saying Afghanistan is our number one enemy. Fine but what happens when the next dictator flips the script and suddenly calls Afghanistan our best friend? Does that mean anyone who opposes Afg today magically becomes a traitor tomorrow?

That’s exactly why this mindset is so dangerous, it’s what pushed Balochistan into the condition it’s in, instead of listening to grievances you dismiss entire communities as traitors.

 

[hasssanali8998]

hen the next dictator flips the script and suddenly calls Afghanistan our best friend?

we will see to it when it happens

it’s not about questioning policies

just told you it wasn't all of us here do that in some capacity

it’s what pushed Balochistan into the condition it’s in, instead of listening to grievances you dismiss entire communities as traitors

i don't , i specially said mahrang baloch not the entire Baluchistan. she is literally the media wing for bla and is supported abroad by people connected with Israel . one member of BYC asked for modis help to free balchistan ,( she died under mysterious circumstances in norway ), how is that not treason please tell me

 

[Respect4Respect]

we will see to it when it happens


just told you it wasn't all of us here do that in some capacity

i don't , i specially said mahrang baloch not the entire Baluchistan. she is literally the media wing for bla and is supported abroad by people connected with Israel . one member of BYC asked for modis help to free balchistan ,( she died under mysterious circumstances in norway ), how is that not treason please tell me

Treason can only be proven if someone is formally charged and punished by the courts, everything else is just propaganda. In fact almost every Pakistani politician or activist gets labeled a “traitor” at some point in their life. It’s nothing new, just the same old tactic repeated again and again. Are you going to stay silent about the treason committed by generals who break their oaths and violate the constitution?