Why an army chief as CDF fits Pakistan's strategic realities

The problem that I see with this development is that there's no explanation about the rank of CDF. Is it going to be a 4 star General or a FM every time?

CDF is a 4 star appointment that can also be occupied by a 5 star - however not every CDF will be promoted to FM.

This was not happening in JCSC, since all chiefs held their operational independence. Is there any indication in the new amendment that it's going to change?

This remains to be confirmed because the reorganization of the military as a whole has not begun yet. Whether that
happens or not, who knows. However most likely it will happen, otherwise CDF position will blow on itself. Under the reorganization (if it happens), Chiefs of Air Force and Navy will most likely retain their operational command and on-ground independence. CDF only has to greenlight military action and coordinate the financial/logistics needs for the different Commands/Battle Groups. The key detail over here is that CDF encompasses 3 major roles:-
1. National Security Adviser to PM/President (taking out of equation or at least minimizing the role of Defence Minister - in May conflict the delay of Pakistani response was largely attributed to reluctance of Civilian Government)
2. Key Decision Maker on Nuclear Assets (again in May conflict this where government and military had some difference of opinions)
3. Joint Commander of the Military (more of a revamped JS HQ for smooth inter-services coordination and operations. However, the effectiveness of this will largely depend on reorganization of the military)

Besides, the FM power grab, militarily the CDF restructure is aimed to ensure minimal civilian involvement into military operations. For example, with CDF acting as the National Security Advisor and the Commander of the Military directly in contact with PM/President - there are less people to persuade for any kind of military response (this lack of Civilian Oversight is where the difference of opinions lies).

For a purely mental excercise though, would be interesting how theater commands would factor into Pakistan's geography and strategy. Do we even need them like the US Commands? Our theater commands would be more like a battlegroup(?)

I personally think Battlegroups make more sense in Pakistan's case. Theatrization is based on terrain specific Corps. Battlegroups are based on integrated Brigades with CAS in support. Theatre Commands are Strategic and Larger in size, so can't respond as swiftly as Battlegroups, especially if the conflict is localized. It makes more sense for Theatrization if you have to defend a larger piece of land. Battlegroups on the other hand are Brigade Level Tactical and Integrated teams that are a mix of all arms plus the CAS support provided independently by Air Force. So BCTs can be deployed swiftly and defend more efficiently the localized conflict zones. So in Pakistan's case, I'd say Battlegroups make more sense - esp for rugged mountainous terrain in North and North-West. Battlegroups in that terrain can work more effectively rather than Theatrization (simply because of all arms integrated groups and not just terrain specific field formations) - for example, Theatrization would argue that Artillery cover in the mountains is less efficient than CAS provided by Attack Helicopters, however, with WoT we have seen that the terrorists were most annoyed by Artillery (they called them Munafiqeen because they fire from outside the FoV 🥲). Battlegroups also maintain operational Independence for Air Force which is comparatively far lessar in Theatrization (which most members over here are concerned about).

Anyhow, that's what I think. Let's see what reorganization they do (if they do). Perhaps a mix of both?
 
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Read this last paragraph by the authour Niaz Murtaza of this article
So, rising political autocracy, economic stagnation, insecurity and external servility are the main bitter fruit of this militarised regime as we oscillate between a dead-end road and a bridge to nowhere under it. Strong economic and political practices are being replaced by vacuous ones and talented persons by docile and incompetent ones. But autarkic societies usually ace autocratic states. We are also a graveyard for cocky regimes that think they are indispensable, invincible and unaccountable. This regime too may fail to beat the trends of history to fall in the dustbin of history soon. But whether even that brings positive change is unclear.
 
The problem that I see with this development is that there's no explanation about the rank of CDF. Is it going to be a 4 star General or a FM every time?

Secondly, I'm sure there must have been internal talks before such a proposal was even presented to the Government. What's the chatter Navy and AF about this? Because, yes, ground reality was that CJCSC was a General for 3 decades now, but now CDF is also the Army Chief, so effectively, does this mean CNS and CAS are going to be reporting to COAS?

This was not happening in JCSC, since all chiefs held their operational independence. Is there any indication in the new amendment that it's going to change?
FM is a title, not an appointment. CDF is an appointment that can be slotted by a 4 star general or an FM, on exception basis.

As an unbiased opinion, neither Gens Ayub nor Asim Munir deserved or needed this FM title. They could have been rewarded in other ways but this was a political consideration in our ongoing political circus.

I am sure Navy and PAF are not overjoyed over it but they are also accustomed to the precedence with the CJCSC passing to them once each in the past 40 years of this office. So Army has been dominant and they have grown accustomed to it. I think PAF/PN will align with the CDF appointment as long as within the service their respective chiefs have the final say (and this has been implemented in multiple countries).

So think of it this way, after all the naysayers, the pro of the CDF is that it is an actual "JOINT" office. It will make plans and implement them at the strategic and tactical levels with the CDF, CNS and CAF sitting together with their respective joint staff and doing real work on "jointness". No more CJCSC sitting in a silo with no actual combatant commands under his purview and only focusing on the strategic capabilities at the policy level (because the operational control was with the CoAS, CNS, and CAS). This is unprecedented in the history of Pakistan armed forces. The closest example of this was seen in the recent Op BAM where the DG/Dpy's(O) across the three services were constantly in touch with each other. This, in addition to the first ever "joint" course at the PMA, indicates that the services were already thinking about bridging the gaps in planning and building joint capacity.

I am happy for this. I am not too bothered by the title of FM for life. That is what the title is. It is for life so you are going to be in a binary camp. If you don't like Munir you won't favor it, if you do then you won't mind.

The bigger issue is that SC's mandate may be diluted but that is for another thread as this one is focused on CDF.
 
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Read this last paragraph by the authour Niaz Murtaza of this article
So, rising political autocracy, economic stagnation, insecurity and external servility are the main bitter fruit of this militarised regime as we oscillate between a dead-end road and a bridge to nowhere under it. Strong economic and political practices are being replaced by vacuous ones and talented persons by docile and incompetent ones. But autarkic societies usually ace autocratic states. We are also a graveyard for cocky regimes that think they are indispensable, invincible and unaccountable. This regime too may fail to beat the trends of history to fall in the dustbin of history soon. But whether even that brings positive change is unclear.
Let's be honest. Is this period an exception? It is patently not. Pakistan is constantly amidst this off again, on again circus.
Each time someone comes and writes yet another obituary, but the country continues to trudge along.
 
what are the names of these "analysts" ? What does army chief know about air force or navy to be commanding them ? Isn't a single point of failure being created ?
Do you think these military evolvements occur due to someone's wishes or they are theorised, designed, planned, and put forward after years of research by people who's day job is to plan ahead taking into account the ever evolving environment?
 
think what gets people confused about CDF is that they don't understand the structure of military especially when it comes to inter-services coordination. Currently the highest number of inter-services liason officers are serving at JS HQ (a HQ that doesn't involve operational planning). Previously, for troops on ground to request for even Artillery cover had to go through a long chain of command, which was even more cumbersome when requesting for Air cover. This was partially resolved during later stages of WoT when armed forces began to use designated officers as Artillery Observers who had the complete authority to provide the Artillery cover when needed. Similarly, the process for Air cover was somewhat improved with the inclusion of Air Force Liason Officer but it still remained a lengthy process
Umm.. forward observation officers (FOO) have always been an integral part since the beginning.. proving their worth since 65.
Also on a side note PAF won't be in any position to provide CAS.
The answer to this question is in your post already.

"Only when things went South"

The secrecy and blind sighting was because of the lack of operational integration and individual commanders acting on their own. CDF inherently means greater integration. It's why in my original post I mentioned the "Theatrization" and "BCT" paradigms. The restructuring and integration is what will mitigate such individual fiascos, where things are only found out by the rest when "they have already gone South".
PAF can't operate with a theatre level doctrine.

CDF in turn can prevent the Kargil Fiasco altogether. Without going into lengthy details, with Kargil, the issue was that Air Force was kept in the blind. They were asked to fly to Skardu under the pretense of training and reconnaissance, and then later asked to provide cover for the army that had already infiltrated into Indian occupied lands. The Air Force denied to provide cover because they weren't equiped to do what they were asked to. With CDF, this is exactly what will be mitigated because the operational plans will be presented by the respective commanders. So no service will be blindly thrown into something that they aren't equipped for.

Similarly, in 1971, the PAF denial of providing cover to PN was again because the operational planning wasn't centralized.

WIth CDF, operational planning will be centralized and thus avoiding the circumstances where individual service branches are either caught by surprise or left on their own.
CDF will be from army... Corps commanders his own - what if he again decides not to share his plans with the other forces.


Yeah well Modi is 56 inch haha

I think what gets people confused about CDF is that they don't understand the structure of military especially when it comes to inter-services coordination. Currently the highest number of inter-services liason officers are serving at JS HQ (a HQ that doesn't involve operational planning). Previously, for troops on ground to request for even Artillery cover had to go through a long chain of command, which was even more cumbersome when requesting for Air cover. This was partially resolved during later stages of WoT when armed forces began to use designated officers as Artillery Observers who had the complete authority to provide the Artillery cover when needed. Similarly, the process for Air cover was somewhat improved with the inclusion of Air Force Liason Officer but it still remained a lengthy process.

With CDF, and centralized operational command, these issues will be mitigated further. The historical fiascos were committed because blind sighting was incorrectly thought to be the solution to get past these inter-services coordination problems, with having them jump in as SOS response, in hopes to force their hand but it didn't work out great. With a centralized operational command, there will no longer be the need to blind sight anyone as they are already involved in all of the planning.

The response in May conflict is the recent most example of such an integrated response - with CDF it is only going to get more smooth.

Another thing people might miss out on is that with CDF you only have one person who's accountable for all consequences, so blame game gets inherently thrown out of the equation. This singular accountability will make any CDF think more than once before going out on a personal ego stoking clandestine adventure.
PAF has always been aggressive, PA not so... Putting a leash on our most capable fighting force?


Also all this is operational stuff, what does it have to do with constitutional protection etc.

Also what does te CDF know about air force/navy their capabilities, what are his extra credentials, qualifications for this so called synergism
 
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what are the names of these "analysts" ? What does army chief know about air force or navy to be commanding them ? Isn't a single point of failure being created ?
Your logic also applies for navy and air force.
 
Your logic also applies for navy and air force.
yeah, he is not saying that navy or air chief should be in command instead.

he is saying that there should be no command, like this one, at all.

this CDF stuff will just concentrate power into a single person and will negatively affect the operations of other forces (like the foolish decision by ghq to send ghazi submarine to eastern indian coast).
 
FM is a title, not an appointment. CDF is an appointment that can be slotted by a 4 star general or an FM, on exception basis.

As an unbiased opinion, neither Gens Ayub nor Asim Munir deserved or needed this FM title. They could have been rewarded in other ways but this was a political consideration in our ongoing political circus.

I am sure Navy and PAF are not overjoyed over it but they are also accustomed to the precedence with the CJCSC passing to them once each in the past 40 years of this office. So Army has been dominant and they have grown accustomed to it. I think PAF/PN will align with the CDF appointment as long as within the service their respective chiefs have the final say (and this has been implemented in multiple countries).

So think of it this way, after all the naysayers, the pro of the CDF is that it is an actual "JOINT" office. It will make plans and implement them at the strategic and tactical levels with the CDF, CNS and CAF sitting together with their respective joint staff and doing real work on "jointness". No more CJCSC sitting in a silo with no actual combatant commands under his purview and only focusing on the strategic capabilities at the policy level (because the operational control was with the CoAS, CNS, and CAS). This is unprecedented in the history of Pakistan armed forces. The closest example of this was seen in the recent Op BAM where the DG/Dpy's(O) across the three services were constantly in touch with each other. This, in addition to the first ever "joint" course at the PMA, indicates that the services were already thinking about bridging the gaps in planning and building joint capacity.

I am happy for this. I am not too bothered by the title of FM for life. That is what the title is. It is for life so you are going to be in a binary camp. If you don't like Munir you won't favor it, if you do then you won't mind.

The bigger issue is that SC's mandate may be diluted but that is for another thread as this one is focused on CDF.

Thank you for your reply. This is what I was thinking. So, essentially, CJCSC's role is been given to COAS, which is not unprecedented since Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had already done that with Musharraf back in 1998.

As long as there's no interference with the operational aspects of the services, which I believe no Air Chief would agree to, even Mushaf Ali Mir, been handpicked by Musharraf after superseding top leadership of PAF never compromised on PAF's operational requirements.

I do think a CDF position where all services could get a chance to lead would have been better but seeing ground realities, I guess this isn't bad afterall. As long as it's implemented properly, and not left for ceremony like JCSC office was.
 
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CDF will be from army... Corps commanders his own - what if he again decides not to share his plans with the other forces.

That's a very important point. @Blain2 , what do you think?

Does the office of CDF in anyway can prevent another Kargil?
 
Umm.. forward observation officers (FOO) have always been an integral part since the beginning.. proving their worth since 65.
Also on a side note PAF won't be in any position to provide CAS.

AO/FOO same role different title. However, for those interested, in PA, an Artillery Observer usually is used to imply an NCO/JCO and Forward Observer Officer is usually used to imply a Commissioned Officer, however it's interchangebale. While you are correct to point out AO/FOO role being there since 1947 (Royal Artillery Inheritance), however, the point I made was the change in the role from conventional to modern, and the authority of FOO. Conventionally, AO/FO were largerly reserved as Divisional Troops, and while they would accompany Infantry or Armor units/regiments/comapny/squadron/platoon - their operations were largely limited to the Brigade level operations and that too limited to Area Suppression and Denial, and Sustained Fire (Artillery Barrage). FOO could only Request Artillery Fire but not Authorize it which rested with senior commanders stationed at Field Direction Center. Up until 2004/5 that is how they were being used but it wasn't much effective in achieving operational goals. Post 2005/6, this was largely changed, especially during Operation Rah-e-Rast, where FOOs were implicitly Authorized to call in Artillery Fire. Though the order to gun positions was communicated by the Battery Commander, the FOOs implicit authorization meant that troops on ground would get Guaranteed Fire. The tactics were also changed from Direct/Indirect Sustained Fire to more Precision Strike and Close Support. This level of integration greatly shaped the operational efficiency of Battalion and Company level operations during WoT. As for the Air Force, the provision was there. AFLO/ALO of the rank of Commodore were stationed in Corps HQ. However, requesting Air Support was and still remains a lenghty procedure within the chain of command, and most often was denied by Air Force, not because they were ill-equipped, but because the operations weren't integrated and planned jointly at highest levels of inter-services commands that would take into account the Air Force operational nuances. The newer structure for the militay with a unified and integrted operational command can resolve these issues, however that largely depends on how the military is reorganized, as mentioned "Theaterization" or "BCTs".

PAF can't operate with a theatre level doctrine.

Arguable. While the operational independence and flexibility of Air Force is limited in Theaterization, it is a bit of stretch to say that "PAF can't operate", I mean there are certain drawbacks if PAF's assets are permanently stationed into various Theatres Commands which certainly makes it difficult for PAF given its limited resources/assets, but anyhow, I don't know if you read my further post on this but I have mentioned this issue already and hence also explained why I'd favor the BCT paradigm instead of Theaterization - BCT maintains Air Force's operational independence and flexibility.

CDF will be from army... Corps commanders his own - what if he again decides not to share his plans with the other forces.

Haha, are you asking if I'll hold myself accountable if that happens? Anyhow, it is a legit concern and has multiple underlying presumption. You are right to point out the risk that is inherently associated with power, but then again are you raising this concern from a Moral Standpoint or Utilitarian? For now I'll keep the underlying presumption under the umbrella of "Illegitimate Use of Power" and keep it separate from the "Moral Argument". From the standpoint of Illegitimate Use of Power, can power be practically separated from the risk of exploitation? For example, prior to 27th Ammendment, President of Pakistan was the supreme commander of the entire military, can't a President in cahoots with Service Chief/s do the same? Were the Attock Conspirators highest commanders of their respective services (core plotter being a Squadron Leader)? The risk of Exploitation is inherent to Power - and so when faced with such a dilemma - an informed decision is made based on the assessment whether the benefits outweigh the risks or not. A unified command decreases the exploitation of power (in the context of the specific example you asked for) because with being a singular commander there is a lessar need to mask and manipulate since every asset is at your disposal. A singular command also means singular accountability. So, while there is always a risk for mad ambition, the risk of blindsighting other forces is reduced under a singular command, and the benefit of integrated military operations certainly outweigh the risk of such exploitation (which will always be there when it comes to power, be it at any level).

PAF has always been aggressive, PA not so... Putting a leash on our most capable fighting force?

I agree with PAF being aggressive, and that is how any Air Force should operate. However, assuming that CDF structure inherently puts a leash on PAF operational mindset is a logical leap. While it certainly is one of the possibilities, establishing it a priori is simply an insecurity. I have already mentioned, that CDF restructuring can only work if the military is reorganized altogether, preferably as per BCT paradigm (to keep PAF's independence and flexibility intact) - let's wait for things to fold before we jump the gun, no?

Also all this is operational stuff, what does it have to do with constitutional protection etc.

Haha, something tells me that you didn't read my entire position because I have already mentioned that the Constitutional Immunity is a plainly a political power move for self preservation and I completely disagree with provision of such immunity. However, one should separate the wheat from chaff, no? The immunity is for one person, the benefits of integration is for the entire military, and like you said, "operational stuff" doesn't have anything to do with "constitutional protection". Moreover, the constitutional immunity only applies to "lawful actions" - which is the gray area - and can most certainly be exploited. For example, lawfully the constitutional immunity doesn't apply to subverting Article 6 (martial law) but then again I think we both know how the gray area can be exploited i.e. "done for national security as per the lawful responsibility of CDF".

Also what does te CDF know about air force/navy their capabilities, what are his extra credentials, qualifications for this so called synergism

I'd say out of all the points you have raised this is the most intuitive yet weakest. The National Security and War Course (NSWC) that is required to be qualified for 2-Star and above ranks is an inter-services course i.e. officers from all 3 services attend it together as batch mates, and the course specifically includes joint/integrated operational training. So, an Army General knows enough about AF and Navy to be a Strategic Commander, the Operational and Tactical perhaps not so much, and this goes in triangulation meaning PAF and PN officers also know enough to be Strategic Commanders (in this case CDF). However, the more potent argument is Why an Army General alone can be CDF? We can discuss that in another post, I have already written too much for one past haha. However, heads up, I'd say CDF should be on rotation and limited to Strategic Planning only. While the constitution has now granted operational command to CDF as well, that command should also have anchors in operational input of Field Commanders all the way down the hierarchy by tweaking the PAA.

The question here is if we are resistant to an idea because it is inherently flawed or because we dislike the person bringing about the change.


Appologies in advance for a long post but there were too many questions and points to answer and adress 🥲
 
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