Pakistan Asking Afghans to Accept Durand line is Wrong as per the head of Tehreek e Tahaffuz e Ayeen

[Forsvaret]

So Afridi was not appointed by Imran?

That’s like asking Pakistani military establishment why they supported Afghan Taliban in the past but now suddenly have a problem with the same.

 

[Forsvaret]

From 1989 to 2001, there was nothing of note going on there. Yes, we had a refugee problem but there was no militancy on the borders. Within Afghanistan there was a power struggle with the various warlords etc. but the trade and transit was wide open. We had FC posts sparingly dotting the landscape (and the Army was not deployed in the FATA).

So that means Imran Khan’s EU-style "open border" policy isn’t very far fetched from reality like many pro-establishment people here claim. If something worked in the past and brought peace in the region (prior to war on terror), then it surely can work again. After all, these are the same Pashtun people / tribes on both sides of the border.

 

[Oscar]

From 1989 to 2001, there was nothing of note going on there. Yes, we had a refugee problem but there was no militancy on the borders. Within Afghanistan there was a power struggle with the various warlords etc. but the trade and transit was wide open. We had FC posts sparingly dotting the landscape (and the Army was not deployed in the FATA).

Technically that is part of the problem that the state created by continuing the British system for the area.

Additionally, because there was an active “pan-NWFP” ideal from Zia era - the porus border was coupled with political agents being advised for promoting cross marriages and other exchanges.

These were policies thought up in Aabpara - but also whispered in parliament, bureaucracy and approved by PM house(during Benazirs era - Sharif was too much of a gaggu to really give useful input). One has to give her credit to be the only PM(besides IK in certain aspects) who could intellectually leave the generals speechless.

So it is the result of these policies that is being reaped - many myopic. While convenient and truthful to blame the establishment it ignores all the other “Good Idea sir” types including those in parliament and bureaucrats.

But I state here - while my views on this overstepping by military in deciding these state border policies is clear - keep in mind that given needs Saddam was to quote rumsfeld(is it?) “Was a sonofavich, but he was our sonafavich”
So the same with the Taliban many knew they were unpredictable nutjobs - but they were considered Pakistan’s “nutjobs”.

Lastly, the Taliban generation that Pakistan directly helped including militarily in the 90s was mostly pounded to oblivion with JDAMs and 30mm Cannon. The next generation only remembers Pakistan selling them out and those are the ones running the show.

This generation has older context on Loi-Afghan fed to them but no one to give them context on their overall history.

 

[Oscar]

That’s like asking Pakistani military establishment why they supported Afghan Taliban in the past but now suddenly have a problem with the same.

No - that is asking why you are making a statement that all he can do is tweet and yet he is able to change appointments and give directions.

Which is it? Is he potent or impotent?
You cant make opposing statements to suit the thread as needed.

 

[Areesh]

That’s like asking Pakistani military establishment why they supported Afghan Taliban in the past but now suddenly have a problem with the same.

Whataboutry
Deflection

Try posting just once without these two. Believe me it is possible to post without these two

 

[Forsvaret]

One has to give her credit to be the only PM(besides IK in certain aspects) who could intellectually leave the generals speechless.

Both Benazir and Imran Khan studied in British universities. Pakistani generals were / are simply NO match to their intellectual capabilities. Hence why one of them was assassinated and the other is on his way to meet the same fate in prison…

 

[Forsvaret]

No - that is asking why you are making a statement that all he can do is tweet and yet he is able to change appointments and give directions.

Imran Khan is still the party chairman of PTI, so yeah he can change appointments during the little time he gets to meet with his relatives and lawyers in prison. But he is still not allowed to give any directions to Afridi, despite court orders, because military establishment in Pakistan is above the law.

 

[Forsvaret]

Whataboutry
Deflection

Then please help me understand the lack of consistency in Pakistani military establishment’s "policies". Afghan Taliban used to be the good guys in the 90s until they weren’t during US war on terror. Then they were the good guys again when Western / India backed Ghani government collapsed as Afghan Taliban took over Kabul. Now, they are back to being the bad guys once more.

 

[Areesh]

Then please help me understand the lack of consistency in Pakistani military establishment’s "policies". Afghan Taliban used to be the good guys in the 90s until they weren’t during US war on terror. Then they were the good guys again when Western / India backed Ghani government collapsed as Afghan Taliban took over Kabul. Now, they are back to being the bad guys once more.

As I said

You can do it. You can post without whataboutry and deflections. Try it. Come on

 

[Feroze]

This is so stupid. There is no expiry date on the Anglo-Afghan Treaty.

Pakistan does not need to give any land to anyone.

If anything Pakistan should annex Afghanistan.

 

[unconventional]

Listen, even this "open border" concept is workable. Prior to the GWOT, our border with Afghanistan was wide open. An FC post every few hundred miles.

This is feasible if the murder mayhem of TTP is culled and no groups from Afghanistan enter Pakistan to destabilize.

Pakistan is not insecure about softening up borders. Our Pashtuns are secure and confident of their future with Pakistan. However, it's all the terrorism that is coming through Afghanistan that is in the way of these "open borders" and only Afghans can control this if they really shared IK's vision. My own take is that the conniving Taliban probably think of IK as a useful idiot and nothing more of his ideas.

It is workable if the other side accepts your side’s territorial integrity

 

[Forsvaret]

You can do it. You can post without whataboutry and deflections. Try it. Come on

I simply can’t do that unless / until you explain it to me Pakistani military establishment’s lack of consistency when it comes to its "policies" on Afghan Taliban.

 

[Forsvaret]

If anything Pakistan should annex Afghanistan.

With or without US support?

 

[Feroze]

With or without US support?

Without USA support. Afghanistanis are Muslims and should accept Pakistani rule.

 

[Forsvaret]

Without USA support. Afghanistanis are Muslims and should accept Pakistani rule.

Okay, this will work obviously.