Pakistan Asking Afghans to Accept Durand line is Wrong as per the head of Tehreek e Tahaffuz e Ayeen

[Blain2]

Sure, but Pakistani establishment did allow that obscurantist thought to fester in the first place, even if it didn’t spread to the masses. Now its blowback is coming in the form of Taliban which even the combined Western powers were unable to defeat in Afghanistan.

Yes, so what? It's in the past. Policies were made, now they are being remade. Do you think we are the only ones doing that?

Blowback is part of operating in an environment where you have 70+ years old unsettled scores.

"Taliban which even the combined Western powers were unable to defeat in Afghanistan."

The Taliban survived thanks to Pakistani safe havens, training, logistical support etc. etc. which allowed the former to live and outlast the Americans. Otherwise, every battle the Americans took to the Taliban, the latter lost or barely survived. Americans ran out of patience and left.

However, Pakistan is not a distant power. We are here to stay and if Taliban will make life hard, so can we for them and for Afghans. The ones who supposedly "defeated" everyone as you state come from the Pashtuns, right? Did you check how many Pashtuns live in Pakistan? Double the number of those in Afghanistan and these are Pakistanis vested in Pakistan's future.

 

[Forsvaret]

Military is doing this since ages, what is new about it, I have a lot of Proofs and evidence that in previous elections 2017 you so called Punjabi establishment allowed PTI workers to do rigging lots of rigging and stop other parties workers to enter polling stations, that your POPULAR AND ELECTED PARTY

What’s wrong remains wrong, no matter who does it. PTI taking establishment’s help & support during election is equally bad as if any other party had done it. The issue here is thus not who took establishment’s support to come into power but rather why establishment chose to support one party against the other? Those unfortunate election candidates that were rigged against, were they not equal citizens of Pakistan in establishment’s eyes?

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

What’s wrong remains wrong, no matter who does it. PTI taking establishment’s help & support during election is equally bad as if any other party had done it. The issue here is thus not who took establishment’s support to come into power but rather why establishment chose to support one party against the other? Those unfortunate election candidates that were rigged against, were they not equal citizens of Pakistan in establishment’s eyes?

Why you're blabbering and ranting from Norway, you should come to Pakistan and will try to fix all these problems, People of Pakistan still love your Punjabi establishment and disliking your massieh and PTI because of him country often in the state of chaos and disturbance

 

[Forsvaret]

People of Pakistan still love your Punjabi establishment…

It’s not like people of Pakistan are given any other "choice" but to "love" establishment. It gets its power from barrel of the gun after all…

 

[PakistanLVR]

Getting education in western universities does not give one outstanding "intellectual" capabilities. IK barely managed his education at Aitcheson and then beyond, from all records, he was an average student, BB perhaps a bit better. In contrast, we have officers who are toppers at the foreign National Defense courses and Universities.

He's what's known is a jock in the west. Athlete, tall, attractive.

BB - she was a controlled plant. Barely suppose proper Urdu, led a westernized lifestyle until her handler "advised" her to put on a dupetta for a more Islamic look. She always reminded of those Iranians who hate Islam and Iran, and refer to themselves as "Persian" when you meet them overseas.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

It’s not like people of Pakistan are given any other "choice" but to "love" establishment. It gets its power from barrel of the gun after all…

Sorry dude your mental disability has no cure, go to mental hospital ASAP

 

[Forsvaret]

She always reminded of those Iranians who hate Islam and Iran, and refer to themselves as "Persian" when you meet them overseas.

Benazir’s mother (Bhutto’s wife) was from Iran, I believe.

 

[Forsvaret]

Sorry dude your mental disability has no cure, go to mental hospital ASAP

Tell that to all those poor souls who come out on the streets to protest and then are shot dead by the establishment because it operates above the law, plus it has complete monopoly on state violence.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Tell that to all those who come out on the streets to protest and then are shot dead by the establishment because it’s actions are above the law plus they have complete monopoly on state violence.

And what should establishment do ? submit in front of violators and break the govt? as far as I remember in IK/PTI era someone march toward D-chok (i can't remember which party or parties were/was) did establishment/agencies submit in front of violators and broke the IK govt

 

[Forsvaret]

And what should establishment do ?

Not take sides. Be neutral. The govt and the protesters are citizens of the same country that establishment is supposed to protect. During Qadri & Imran Khan’s marches, protesters marched all the way to the capital. They had long sit-ins too but the establishment never opened fire on them and instead worked behind the scenes to calm the situation.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Not take sides. Be neutral. The govt and the protesters are citizens of the same country that establishment is supposed to protect. During Qadri & Imran Khan’s marches, protesters marched all the way to the capital. They had long sit-ins too but the establishment never opened fire on them and instead worked behind the scenes to calm the situation.

And pti and ik always bring chaos and unrest to the country whether he was in govt or a opposition leader its bad economy and common people of Pakistan most of them earned on daily wages,

I'm out of here from your nonsense and gibberish

 

[Forsvaret]

And pti and ik always bring chaos and unrest to the country whether he was in govt…

I rest my case too :

 

[EternalMortal]

you guys have gotten it all wrong. achakzai is a pak nationalist. this is what he means when he says durand line doesn't exist

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I rest my case too :
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Thanks to previous govt, IK's govt did nothing special

 

[Xestan]

First of all PTI is not anti state. Period. While Achak Zai stand on democracy is 100% correct but his views on Durrand line and Afghanistan is against Pakistan's soverignity. All political parties use such personalities/groups/small parties to forward their specific agenda, doesn't mean they agree with them in all the matters. Just like PTM/Mohsin Dawar types were darling of PPP/PMLN during vote of no confidence against IK. So now ask current setup (both govt & establishment) why were PTM was accomodated that time?

Why am I answerable to what PML-N government did for support in VoNC? I was against that, and still hold them responsible for negotiating with TTP after ouster of Imran. My standards are same, for both. Right now, Imran is siding with a known ethno-racist. Achakzai is not just a traitor to the territorial integrity of Pakistan, he's also racist and hate monger against majority of Pakistanis, Punjabis. Who happen to have voted for Imran a lot. So what does that tell you? Imran is playing for Pashtoon politics, he's alienated Punjabis and now is aligning with Afghanistan and its proxies in Pakistan.