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[Oscar]

There is NO undeniable proof for the existence of ANY kind of magic. There is a reason why Western scientific societies progressed against those backward ones which still believe in this woo-woo.

Doesn’t help that the former first lady was completely obsessed with occult practices, giving jinn or evil eye explanations for even genuine medical issues.

Now the whole allegation of iddat and this and so on to me is pure political slander and nothing else. What is recorded by even PTI lady members and then on record to a foreign reporter is her feeding of jinn and talk of black magic.

Imran Khan was very stable in terms of religious outlook circa 2011-12 - he had a good guide as well.

But since then he had other influences that led him to where he is. Unfortunately for IK cultists they don’t deem him liable for life choices but when they impact the business of state then it is absolutely qualified for criticism.

Typical whataboutism can bring in various things
From military involvement and spoiled generals wives(personally ran afoul of one a decade ago) , to honey traps and ISI officers “testing” their honey traps, to sharifs and NM and Bhuttos and Yahyas etc etc.

Take your pick for a typical dishonest response

Or if you have an actual “objective” mentality acknowledging that your dear leader despite good qualities fell to his own weaknesses in the worst way and could not judge how Faiz and co were leading him into a trap - and is now head of a hydra(and some headless necks in it) monster in PTI which is only partially in his directive but mostly driven by sheer lashing out and anarchy drives.

And yes, the typical bootlicker types who totally deny any harm was caused to PTI members are basically willfully corrupt in their ignorance because I have personal witnesses including a burnt from electrocution relative. Did the military do it? No it was Karachi police under directives to not hold back from Zardari but does it matter who is responsible? Because the e hounds were let loose from the military.

Btw. Those complaining of IK’s treatment forget that the current president (now immune for life) was once kicked, shoved into a puddle of mud and face kept under a boot to choke him by agency men during the times of Nawaz Sharif’s second government.

Yet - ahem, what happened to PTI is “unprecedented”.

 

[Oscar]

And what did we do to NS and Khawaja when they said this? Do you remember that too?

Let's be fair and equitable. They were taken to task and declared anti-national just the same as PTI walay now. So why is PTI an exception to this rule? Do your politics but not at the expense of the country and its institutions.

All of us roundly condemned NS/KS, except perhaps the PML die-hards.

Also, do you remember the treatment that PPP got when Hussain Haqqani was embroiled in the whole Memogate affair? What kind of flak did the PPP government get from the masses?

What happened to Altaf Hussain when he said anti-state things? He was declared a traitor too.

There is a fair criticism. This is not singling out PTI, rather it is PTI doing what it should not do.

The question then comes in - since every political party has gone through hell(this time social media just recorded and percolated it more) then clearly there is a serious issue of the agencies being used for political purposes and yet everyone has been in torture chambers with the same torturer.

The aforementioned incident I talked was Zardari was narrated to me by an fmr ISI officer. On the flipside Ive also heard from (now deceased) fmr NS bodyguard who was also picked up during the coup and tortured. Then there are the tales of torture (even rape) from the times of the 92 operations against MQM.

Not withstanding off course - MQMs own torture cells(peeli kothi), PML(N) thugs during the days of musical chairs with PPP - FSF with Bhutto.

So then what is the issue if awaam is finally also calling out the remaining pot in this group of tarred black kitchenware?

It’s time everyone sees that the military is coming from them - not special - not from the heavens - just cousins of the same types of people that have been hated before except in uniform and licensed to kill.

Unfortunately - the situation is typical “them vs us” in this anti or pro establishment situation without the real need for “We have seen the enemy, and they are us”

 

[Oscar]

Well i think they’re the ones in power now…. never forget…. Once trialled for being traitors are now in power… what changed? Who’s doing the whacky job?

You.
People who are from the same genetic and/or social or cultural or financial or character backgrounds as everyone else called a traitor.

The Army is at the end a platform - every other individual who comes to the platform brings their plans - at least it’s a rotation unlike the two dynasties - but it’s still a platform that is enhancing character that was molded out of their life experiences of which the majority was in Pakistan, with Pakistanis that includes people who were civilians, in political parties - frauds and so on.

All you have is a bunch of flawed individuals which this system produces and they all play the prisoner dilemma game with each other.

 

[Forsvaret]

Unfortunately for IK cultists they don’t deem him liable for life choices but when they impact the business of state then it is absolutely qualified for criticism.

So, what you’re trying to say is that Imran Khan as PM of Pakistan opened a Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry on the behest of his woo-woo wife? I simply fail to see how Imran Khan’s wife being a believer in jinns and other nonsense has anything to do with his politics?

 

[Watandar]

So, what you’re trying to say is that Imran Khan as PM of Pakistan opened a Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry on the behest of his woo-woo wife? I simply fail to see how Imran Khan’s wife being a believer in jinns and other nonsense has anything to do with his politics?

Take off your blinders. She and her friend Farah Gogi were knee deep in corruption, especially when it came to postings. There is good evidence Bushra Bibi herself was in cahoots with ISI agent and controlling Imran Khan by being his pirni.

Read the article, a member posted the whole thing some pages back. I am still trying to determine the angle , but the article itself is pretty good.

 

[Forsvaret]

She and her friend Farah Gogi were knee deep in corruption, especially when it came to postings. There is good evidence Bushra Bibi herself was in cahoots with ISI agent and controlling Imran Khan by being his pirni.

Did Hazrat Asim Muneer feed you all that "evidence" as former DG ISI?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

So, what you’re trying to say is that Imran Khan as PM of Pakistan opened a Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry on the behest of his woo-woo wife? I simply fail to see how Imran Khan’s wife being a believer in jinns and other nonsense has anything to do with his politics?

everything.. if it dictates his daily life.

from him refusing to go near water or flatly refusing to visit anyone to offer condolences. when the Hazara suffered back to back massacre of their people at the hands of sectarian terrorists , they wanted him to visit but he refused saying he didnt believe in politics of corpses.

it may have been his own arrogance and single minded pride but some allege that his wife told him never to attend a funeral or visit a place where deaths had happened or else his rule will end.

he even didn't go to offer funeral prayers for his friend Naeem Ul Haq because he was supposed to stay away from big body of water.

this all shouldn't matter, IF, it doesn't affect his judgement in policy matters and running the country. looking at his choice of a chief minister Buzdar and this clown Afridi in KP now. (the retard who quoted a fake AI video alleging Punjabi soldiers disrespecting a Mosque in Tribal areas). .

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Take off your blinders. She and her friend Farah Gogi were knee deep in corruption, especially when it came to postings. There is good evidence Bushra Bibi herself was in cahoots with ISI agent and controlling Imran Khan by being his pirni.

Read the article, a member posted the whole thing some pages back. I am still trying to determine the angle , but the article itself is pretty good.

Gen Faiz had instructed Islamabad Station Chief s Lt Col to use the field units for this purpose, those agents served as the Mowaqils who taped phones and followed people of interest and gave hears up to Bushra Bibi giving her credibility in her predictions.

all these Shenanigans are now biting in the ass of the military establishment.

 

[Forsvaret]

this all shouldn't matter, IF, it doesn't affect his judgement in policy matters and running the country. looking at his choice of a chief minister Buzdar and this clown Afridi in KP now.

Oh, so you have issues with Buzdar and Afridi, but you’re fine with clowns like Shehbaz Sharif, Maryam Nawaz and their very ring master Hazrat Asim Muneer himself?
What kind of woo-woo magic caused this spectacular choice selection?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Oh, so you have issues with Buzdar and Afridi, but you’re fine with clowns like Shehbaz Sharif, Maryam Nawaz and their very ring master Hazrat Asim Muneer himself?
What kind of woo-woo magic caused this spectacular choice selection?

whataboutism... I have issue with being betrayed, we were hoping our third option will deliver. it ended up exactly like the other two parties

 

[Forsvaret]

…we were hoping our third option will deliver. it ended up exactly like the other two parties

So you just lock that third option in prison, throw away the keys and let the first two failed options rule with brute force?

 

[Abdul q]

Establishment lackeys think it is all good as long as it doesn’t affect anything inside those multilayered security cages from where they could easily take orders from foreign masters and execute without being asked, interrupted or challenged….

 

[Irfan Baloch]

When the "anti-military" narrative is taken to international forums by a certain party leadership and it base, when foreign media is used to attack the state and its institutions, when the country's military and its sacrifices are ridiculed on social media, this is as "anti-state" as you can get.
Had it been PPP or PML doing the same while PTI was ruling, you would be up in arms and please don't insult our intelligence by trying to negate this now.

To your second point, it is a matter of perspective. I don't think anything or everything is being burnt down. When your PTI government was in lock-step with the establishment and the military, you certainly did not think everything was being burnt down despite what PML/PPP were saying, yet now when the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly Pakistan has gone to hell in a handbasket?

wht chance we have when people have elivated Imran to next level

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the follwers are tyring to out do each other

 

[Forsvaret]

Gen Faiz had instructed Islamabad Station Chief s Lt Col to use the field units for this purpose, those agents served as the Mowaqils who taped phones and followed people of interest and gave hears up to Bushra Bibi giving her credibility in her predictions.

How long would it take to have him court martial for his shenanigans? He was arrested like a year ago and we don’t hear anything more from him. Has his Mowaqils all but given up?

 

[Abdul q]

wht chance we have when people have elivated Imran to next level

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the follwers are tyring to out do each other

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