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Iranians need to realise at times government do propaganda to keep domestic audience happy. Iran has no capability to build 3rd 4th or 5th generation planes. Iran best path is to improve relations with Russia and China, buy Su30s Su35s or J10CEs, then slowly move towards world class airforce, command centre, training, buy Awaacs etc. Or else soon Iran rivals will move towards 6th generation whilst Iran will still be at 3rd generation.

Uninformed lazy post. Iranian aviation sector has demonstrated the indigenous capability to 100% locally produce a 4.0 Gen CAS/Light CAP/Advanced Trainer. They could indigenously produce a 3rd gen AT/CAS 25 years years ago. I am not talking about build a bear plane with importing engines from somewhere, radar from somewhere, missiles from somewhere else and calling it a local fighter. Not even a screw in Kowar AT/CAS is imported from abroad and that includes its Turbojets and avionics. 200 produced ATs would have prepared crop after crop of Iranian fighter pilots and same planes could have gaurded IADS assets from domestic terrorism, ALCMs/SOWs etc, can be used against border threats in east and south. May be they could have had provided badly needed naval aircover as well in Persian gulf over IRGCN+IRIN fleet of 32 surface vessels. But money ran out. Yes Iran can not produce a 4th generation Air-superiority fighter on its own but outside superpowers who literally can? no one can produce turbofans, avionics and combat suite on their own if we leave out US, France, China, Russia. May be this will change in next 10 years but right now no one can. Countries may show shiny products in airshows but the same countries then go for CKD kit Assembly lines or TOT'ed assembly lines of foriegn patented products. Iran is now doing same with Yak-130. I am assuming the SU-35S will also come as CKD kits instead of flown inside Iran.

Illiterate Mullahs cut budget to IRIAF so they cant buy planes. Thats it. IAIO the producer of aviation products has no reason to produce an aircraft when there is no end user willing to pay for it. IRIAF runs on 200-400 million USD a year with current budget. IRGCAF (missile forces) runs on 6 Billion USD a year for comparision. In future they might even be getting 20 Billion USD a year as Khamenei spoke of 3x defence budget. Recently, extensively tested Fakour/Maghsoud Long range BVR missile died because IRIAF had no money to overhaul the plane that could fire it. Meanwhile IRGCAF is excavating new large BM launch bases, getting new drones, firing tristaged solid fueled SLVs ... and they have just came out of a on-par fought war with superpower led alliance where they showed zero submission or being detered. This is what money does to a force. IRIAF is a victim of inner Iran Mullah politics, corruption, incompetence and nothing else.
 
It is fascinating how despite having literal oil money, Iran's airforce is a flying museum.

Crippling Sanctions for decades ... what oil money are you talking about? Do not mistake proven reserves with actual money in hand. Also, 500 Billion USD was wasted on arab militias to fight israel. Google how much on Syria alone.

Unless there is an issue on China and Russia's end.

Russia and Iran are not partners. They have been bitter blood enemies for centuries until Islamic revolution. Lack of trust is still there with Russia always having more to gain from Iran then vice versa. INSTC, Drone ToT, Caspian Sea share etc got Iran nothing in return.

Iran has no meaningful defense ties with China either. China supported sanctions on Iran in past for starters.

I don't see why IRIAF hasn't gone ahead with J-10/Su-35 for their 4th gen fleet and possibly a few J-35s.

IRGC controls MODAFL (ministry of defence) budgets. They get like roughly ~40 % or even more of entire defence budget. IRIAF gets peanuts.

Is it an issue of funds or politics or maybe trust.

Its not lack of capability, the same country could produce war tested hypersonic missiles, tristaged solid fueled IRBMs/PBVs/SLVs or TVed HIMADs guided by AESA FCRs a decade ago. Iranian military industrial complex exists and functions. They could have easily maintained a CKD kit based TOT of Assembly line of Russian/Chinese 4+ gen fighters inside Iran but Iranian political will was never there. Mullahs appointed corrupt most crap officers and authority figures over Iranian aviation sector who turned IRIAF into a cash cow.

Things seem to be changing now with YAK-130 arrival, news of MIG-29SMT and SU-35S arrival but the culture of corruption will stay in Iranian aviation sector for another generation.

Force should have been merged with IRGCAF long ago.
 
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And on Fakkour LRAAM.
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best not to be too occupied with all these domestic projects that don't go anywhere then disappear after a few years. this is more important.
 
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best not to be too occupied with all these domestic projects that don't go anywhere then disappear after a few years. this is more important.


I love the idea of jet trainers being used to tackle drones. You can train junior cadets as part of their training programme to be able to use these platforms early on in their training careers to operate in a combat environment to tackle drones and leave the more experienced pilots to tackle the air force of the opponent.

Baby steps to reconstitute the Iranian Airforce of course, but progress nonetheless.
 
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best not to be too occupied with all these domestic projects that don't go anywhere then disappear after a few years. this is more important.

To countering OWA UAVs seems to be more than useful.

But Yak130 has no IRST and no radar. That would suggest that;

or Iran got a customized version of Yak130 or it has any kind of real time data sharing (aka data link) for such missions.

It is more than probably that other units intervened in such missions. In Biryand AB you can see three Kowsar/Saeghe/F5 with short range IR missiles.


Meanwhile IRGCAF is excavating new large BM launch bases, getting new drones, firing tristaged solid fueled SLVs ... and they have just came out of a on-par fought war with superpower led alliance where they showed zero submission or being detered. This is what money does to a force. IRIAF is a victim of inner Iran Mullah politics, corruption, incompetence and nothing else.
I don´t want to defend mullahs and other high rank officials... But as you appointed very well, the first expense it is indirectly proportional to the second one (modern IRIAF). IMO IRI didn´t invest in a real and modern air force... because most of the money... went to IRGCF missile force. And that decision was correct. Not enough to protect iranian air space but correct. I am suspicious that is why IRI central bank have sold a lot of gold because the purchase of Su35 and other assets (S400?). But that is just a guessing.
 
It's interesting to me that the F5 derivatives were not equipped with an IRTS system. I don't think Iranian industry could manufacture one, and it wouldn't take up much space or cost much. It could also be equipped as a container, like the F4 has something like that.
 
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if you post a long video you should summarise some of the key points for users who don't have hours to watch it

and we have no more patience for your J-20 stories
 
just post news , reading long posts while they are not from credible sources are waste of times
 
Iran needs a small hightec airforce numbering 60, yes F35s will be able to dominate but it's still a first line of defence, to keep Israeli f35s from entering Iranian airspace for a few days until Iran is fully ready to retaliate with their ballistic missile arsenal or else Iran will always be sitting ducks, waiting for an attack.
Agree strongly

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Confirmation that the only intrusion into Iranian air space were by drones and not manned aircraft.
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It's interesting to me that the F5 derivatives were not equipped with an IRTS system. I don't think Iranian industry could manufacture one, and it wouldn't take up much space or cost much. It could also be equipped as a container, like the F4 has something like that.
The IRIAF has operated MiG-29's with IRST's for years, so it would be well versed with its innards and tech by this time.

There is possibly concerns that it could not miniaturized to fit into the rather dainty nose of the F-5 and derivate's.

I found this at:- https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/iranian-uavs-news-and-discussions.63/page-62

A possible IRST?

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How will Iran counter acquisition of F-35 by KSA?

Are the rumors true that the only counter to this would be acquiring Russian or Chinese fifth Gen fighters?

Or would they focus on missile technology? Perhaps an Iranian version of Oreshnik?
 

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