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[Forsvaret]

Please read my views on his"constitutional immunity" in threads related to CDF - I have vehemently argued against his constitutional immunity in multiple posts.

It’s not just about that. Read what Hazrat Asim Muneer has done with Pakistan ever since becoming Army Chief. From putting opposition leaders in prison to conducting farce elections to making amendments to the constitution through the very same farce assemblies he engineered. If that’s not the conduct of a severe mentally ill person — I don’t know what is? And military establishment still trusts that person with ruling Pakistan?

 

[hnn]

It’s not just about that. Read what Hazrat Asim Muneer has done with Pakistan ever since becoming Army Chief. From putting opposition leaders in prison to conducting farce elections to making amendments to the constitution through the very same farce assemblies he engineered. If that’s not a conduct of a severe mentally ill person — I don’t know what is? And military establishment still trusts that person with ruling Pakistan?

I can't speak for anyone else but myself. I hope you understand that.

Elections were rigged in 2018 as well, and politicians were put in jail between 2017-2019 as well, elites were given amnesty in 2019 as well - it's why I hold IK and other political leaders before him, and military equally accountable for the state of Pakistan.

As I mentioned before, point is one shouldn't have double standards - or else there is no difference b/w us and those we dislike/hate for trusting their leaders or thinking that their leader is innocent while everyone else's are evils

 

[313Ghazi]

even if it is an accusation how does it constitute as a fact. until proven otherwise it is merely an accusation from a political party .. NOT A FACT.

It has been reported by multiple people including journalists who were present. It's common decency to assume the victims of a crime as telling the truth whilst the crime is being investigated.

 

[F.O.X]

It has been reported by multiple people including journalists who were present. It's common decency to assume the victims of a crime as telling the truth whilst the crime is being investigated.

when the victims are know liars no you cannot assume that.

also again how does that become a fact ? , so If I say IK was the most corrupt politician in Pakistan, and 5 other journalists say the same does that become a fact ?

 

[Forsvaret]

Elections were rigged in 2018 as well, and politicians were put in jail between 2017-2019 as well, elites were given amnesty in 2019 as well - it's why I hold IK and other political leaders before him, and military equally accountable for the state of Pakistan.

Cannot be said better!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

i dont agree with IK politics, but this is not good..

women should be respected

 

[mythbuster]

It has been reported by multiple people including journalists who were present. It's common decency to assume the victims of a crime as telling the truth whilst the crime is being investigated.

It's winter and the nights are pretty chilly.... taking the squatters in safe custody to protect them from hypothermia is not a crime.... it's good Samaritans thingy.

 

[Samlee]

Yes I can clearly see your patriotism shining though your posts. not a single tangible argument other than Army bad... IK good... that is the crux of everyone of PTI cult.

OK Army Good IK Bad

IK Lost East Pakistan In 1971,IK Gave Zahidan To Iran and Shaksgam Valley To China in 1960s,IK Lost Siachen To India In The 1980s

There Happy Now

 

[F.O.X]

OK Army Good IK Bad

IK Lost East Pakistan In 1971,IK Gave Zahidan To Iran and Shaksgam Valley To China in 1960s,IK Lost Siachen To India In The 1980s

There Happy Now

how does ranting answer any of the questions I raised ? or is gas lighting the only thing PTI is good for now a days ?

 

[PakAl]

If PTI govt was already a "flop" by late 21 and early 22, why didn’t military establishment and PDM just let them lose the next elections in an organic way? Why did they go to such extreme lengths to pull the rug from Imran Khan — two years before his party was to lose big time in next general elections anyway?

It was a blunder, Bajwa initially opposed any NCM but Pdm and Fazlur Rehman were not listening, they were too making phone calls to Bajwa and screaming we will remove IK from power since he has lost the majority, finally Bajwa took his hand away from IK and the rest Zardari and Nawaz did. Pmln wanted revenge for Nawaz removal. Bajwa afterwards tried to contact IK but Khan refused to speak or engage with the establishment. Everything from then onwards went Toxic and downhill, especially anti military propaganda and attacks, the plan to crash the whole system down, encouraging mutiny etc. Keep in mind Pmlq, Bap, Mqm and atleast 30MNAs were willing to change sides, Jahangir Tareen and Aleem Khan were working extra hard to take PTI MNAs, so in reality IK did loose the majority.

 

[PakAl]

So? Marrying her is his personal life and going to Manzar is his private matter. Why are YOU as a nobody intervening & interfering in it?

What's wrong with going to a Mazar, it's a grave of a great saint, a person of Allah almighty. These are just personal attacks to degrade IK imagine, it will not work.

 

[Forsvaret]

Bajwa afterwards tried to contact IK but Khan refused to speak or engage with the establishment.

That’s only because he considered military establishment / General Bajwa to be the real mastermind behind VONC against him.

 

[PakAl]

That’s only because he considered military establishment / General Bajwa to be the real mastermind behind VONC against him.

It's not entirely true though, Imran Khan also blamed the Usa but backtracked. People were saying Bajwa is doing this for another extension but he didnt take it and the next General is more anti IK. This was IK grave error, he refused to engage or speak to establishment, and now PTI want the establishment to be involved in any negotiations or settlements. IK started jail bharo tehreek and now Pti complaining why our leaders are in jail. You see Pti is playing politics and trying to create pressure. From what i see both Pti and Pdm are lobbying the establishment to take their sides, they had a big fight and the military found an excuse to overtake the whole system/country. Everyone lost out.

 

[hnn]

It's not entirely true though, Imran Khan also blamed the Usa but backtracked. People were saying Bajwa is doing this for another extension but he didnt take it and the next General is more anti IK. This was IK grave error, he refused to engage or speak to establishment, and now PTI want the establishment to be involved in any negotiations or settlements. IK started jail bharo tehreek and now Pti complaining why our leaders are in jail. You see Pti is playing politics and trying to create pressure. From what i see both Pti and Pdm are lobbying the establishment to take their sides, they had a big fight and the military found an excuse to overtake the whole system/country. Everyone lost out.

The politician's fight to be in military's lap has been going on for a very long time. The problem is the existence of that "lap" in the first place - for IK the bigger problem became that the "lap" now belongs to a person who IK had mistreated previously - so this time it's more than just political, it's personal (like Gen Musharraf with NS)

 

[VCheng]

even if it is an accusation how does it constitute as a fact. until proven otherwise it is merely an accusation from a political party .. NOT A FACT.

Let me make a suggestion:

Let us recognize this incident, whatever it may be, as part of legitimate PTI's right to political protest as long as it is not disruptive to other people's lives.

If the incident is truly so horrendous as some are claiming, then of course it will motivate enough people to come out in support of PTI and what it wants to achieve.

If this incident is overblown, then it will fizzle out by itself.

We have seen that happen multiple times before. Let PTI make yet another attempt, and we can wait for actual results this time as well.

Why argue with those whose minds are already made up?