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[hasssanali8998]

Using flags and seals doesn't make anyone a terrorist

brother they pledged allegiance to isis , do that in any country and you will be charged as a terrorist , and not only that but she was brainwashing other young women too with her husband and attacking people who she deemed as unislamic

if only they claim that they don't believe in the constitution and use force to rule

that is exactly what they believe


as i have said i don't think this was done properly , too much force was used and we lost too many good men , we should have just besieged them but again i also get mushi's pov he was under immense pressure and having a terrorist mosque under siege in your capital is a very bad look

 

[Goenitz]

brother they pledged allegiance to isis , do that in any country and you will be charged as a terrorist , and not only that but she was brainwashing other young women too with her husband and attacking people who she deemed as unislamic

here in the UK, hate speech, promoting racism or disseminating terrorist organisation propaganda or encouraging someone to join etc, are serious criminal offences but not terrorism. It is also un-Islamic to do that.

In the UK, capital punishments are banned anyway. Even in Pakistan, it is not liable to death, but at max, long sentences.

However, the UK wasn't involved in radicalizing its people like we did in 80s. Gazi's father Maulvi Abdullah was part of Zia's majlis-e-shura. Zia sought his counsel many times. 80's mujaideen used to stay teh same red mosque. It was patronized as a Jihad station. Not to mention, maulvi Abdullah wd might have guided in Zia's pardeh and shariah campaigns. It was a strategic asset for Kashmir and the Afghan Jihad.

The legacy of Lal Masjid

The siege and assault on Lal Masjid took place in July 10 years ago. Eos looks at how that moment impacted militancy.

www.dawn.com

Now, when Mushi cam and tooka u-turn, not only did he face opposition within ranks but also here. Otherwise, the Red Mosque was doing the same things as before, but then they were punished with lethal force.

So it was the government's fault anyway. They kept the public away from education (still <2% education budget) but radicalised instead.

as i have said i don't think this was done properly , too much force was used and we lost too many good men , we should have just besieged them but again i also get mushi's pov he was under immense pressure and having a terrorist mosque under siege in your capital is a very bad look

A leader's job is to take pressure and not kill their civilians. The army's job is to give life to save public lives. We don't burn our own house over prtty crime under pressure.

Red mosque students were the nation's children. They broke the law and didn't kill anybody until the operation started. Even then, the response was not proportionate. Burning the mosque was too much.


P.S. I don't believe the government pov. For me, it was burnt during the clearance operation.

 

[Areesh]

jigar.. please use some context.. that maulvi was saying that no girl student's life was lost. His claims are therefore deteriorated as he welcomes the DG over the top. He is not neutral.

You can prove that maulvi wrong by providing exact name of the girl killed in that operation

 

[Areesh]

The same maulvi?
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You are yet to provide me with name of a single female student that was killed in that operation

Still waiting since that was your original claim

 

[Goenitz]

You are yet to provide me with name of a single female student that was killed in that operation

Still waiting since that was your original claim

Ohh.. you were waiting..
My post was about the maulvi/moulana has a tilt towards the army, so his testimony is not credible.
Let's proceed with a negative definition. More rational than a random tweet or blog citation.
We all know Ghazi's mother was killed. She was not alone in the women's quarters. So, if she were killed, there could be others.
We know bullets are not AI-driven yet. Perhaps there will be an independent inquiry in future, then we all would know. I cannot accept that Moulana's statement, but you are free to.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Ghazi's mother was killed

her name , i want to do reaserch .

 

[Areesh]

Ohh.. you were waiting..
My post was about the maulvi/moulana has a tilt towards the army, so his testimony is not credible.
Let's proceed with a negative definition. More rational than a random tweet or blog citation.
We all know Ghazi's mother was killed. She was not alone in the women's quarters. So, if she were killed, there could be others.
We know bullets are not AI-driven yet. Perhaps there will be an independent inquiry in future, then we all would know. I cannot accept that Moulana's statement, but you are free to.

Yeah I know ghazi mother was killed

So? Bhai naam do. I am saying the same again and again

Kahanian na sunao. We have been hearing stories for all these years from extremists like you. Stories of girls getting melted in that mosque and all that. All I and that maulvi has asked from you all masjid extremists is names. Credible names of girls that you guys keep parroting about even after so many years

You can't accept Maulana statement even though he is talking facts but ready to keep peddling the lie of girls getting killed in lal masjid even though you can't provide even a single name. Typical disgraceful liar whose lies have blood of thousands of Pakistanis

 

[Areesh]

her name , i want to do reaserch .

Yeah she died

It was known right after the operation happened

What we don't know is the names and identities of those dozens of girls that were killed as per extremists like @Goenitz

 

[Goenitz]

So? Bhai naam do. I am saying the same again and again

That is what a negative definition is. If one thing has happened (mother died in a crowded women's area), then by the transitive property, the other thing might have happened too (some other girls).

Let's wait for an independent inquiry to find out the names. I don't want to quote names from Zarb-e-Momin like newspapers.

Posing a question is not extremism. But if it hurts too much and you question your belief, it is better than cussing. I take that.

 

[Areesh]

That is what a negative definition is. If one thing has happened (mother died in a crowded women's area), then by the transitive property, the other thing might have happened too (some other girls).

Let's wait for an independent inquiry to find out the names. I don't want to quote names from Zarb-e-Momin like newspapers.

Posing a question is not extremism. But if it hurts too much and you question your belief, it is better than cussing. I take that.

I am not interested in your dumb guesswork

Since their mother died so girl should have died too

This is pure bullsh!t by you

I don't know what you are doing on this forum even. Better join TTP since they are killing Pakistanis daily to avenge those imaginary girls of lal masjid that you despite having no proof believe died or in fact melted in phosphorus bombs

 

[Tremain]

Now for news that is bigger than any other news from the last 7 days.....

Ducky Bhai gets bail...!

A true cockroach this guy.... survival skillz are amazing.

LHC grants bail to YouTuber Ducky Bhai in gambling app promotion case | The Express Tribune

Court grants bail against surety bonds worth Rs1 million

tribune.com.pk

 

[Toxic]

You cant make this stuff up:
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Tbf there are tens of millions of Christians in India.

 

[Goenitz]

I am not interested in your dumb guesswork

Since their mother died so girl should have died too

This is pure bullsh!t by you

We do it all the time. Like 3k or 4k IA persons died in Kargil. We don't have their names or ranks, but we have estimates. Certainly, Delhi will deny it, but we accept our estimates.

The same goes here. Both parties claim different things. You can believe what you want.
Lastly, you are talking about girls, we don't have names for the boys who died. They can be aged from 10+ to 20+. Like in the Datta Khel attack, ISPR claimed all were terrorists.

Could you prove that all fallen were terrorists in both cases?

 

[Areesh]

We do it all the time. Like 3k or 4k IA persons died in Kargil. We don't have their names or ranks, but we have estimates. Certainly, Delhi will deny it, but we accept our estimates.

The same goes here. Both parties claim different things. You can believe what you want.
Lastly, you are talking about girls, we don't have names for the boys who died. They can be aged from 10+ to 20+. Like in the Datta Khel attack, ISPR claimed all were terrorists.

Could you prove that all fallen were terrorists in both cases?

Names or join TTP terrorists to avenge imaginary girls or STFU

It is that simple man

 

[ghazi52]