Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[SkunkWorks]

my guess is that since it is small diameter ( 5.9 ft) this is simpler and cheaper solution to the clamshell design , for eg flacon 9 is 12 ft .
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and boosters are at the top and angled downwards ,so they work Like Saturn 5's LES , and effectively lifting the whole payload fairing in one go
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Makes sense. I had discarded this possibility, but now that I mentally try to piece together the debris, it makes sense. Also, the base ring of the thruster unit has some red stuff stuck to it, which would be part of the composite shell of the fairing.
If you look REALLY close, you can probably make out a black/darker shade at the base of the "pointy end" of the fairing. That could be the thruster nozzle. The "pointy end" itself is black, perhaps an ablative coating to protect the thruster unit from thermal effects of friction during the atmospheric phase of the flight.

Do what's your final verdict, did it fail?

I think it would be fair to say that atleast the fairing separation did not fail. I don't see any other parts of the vehicle with the fairing. Difficult to say about the rest, I have not looked at other information besides these specific sets of pictures of the debris.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Well the fairing is kind off heat shield. So it won't just incinerate during the downward descent, you can also see a tear in the front, but ur not asking the right question, the fairing should be in half, this one here is looks intact, either a new fairing jettison mechanism or it's a failed test, anyways wait for @JamD

how do we know:

1. it was a missile test?
2. it was a Pak. missile?
3. it did occur between the same NOTAM?
4. how come landing location was known to locals?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

this is the report in the twitter link!

who let it out!

 

[falcon34]

Agreed.

But to my understanding is, that it was a test of a mature product. All the aspects of the test should have been similar to a real missile.

Let’s wait for subject matter experts like @JamD, put his thoughts on the subject.

As much has I've followed paks missiles program, if they say training launch only than they mean all aspect test.
For Shaheen 3 and ababeel they've never announced any of these training launch, if it's a test launch than than they are validating a single parameter or two more newly added parameters.

 

[Oscar]

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@Oscar
@JamD
Is it fake?

The fairing looks suggest either it landed near horizontal (and unbelievably intact)or the missile just fell on its side.

The whole story with the image looks pure speculation and unknown to what parameters the test was on. Unless it landed in a potato field - regardless of material and for fairings it is generally something that can take aerodynamic loads but still light enough - the dents and otherwise suggest this was a pretty soft “landing” so it wasn’t “heavy “ when it hit that relatively hard ground.

Next is that it’s missing the “base” or the payload bus - if it was a complete failure then where is the bus? Did this fairing fall off , is it assumed that the fairing is suppose to actually open like a clamshell? Or is it possible it is pushed out?

now notice the part next to the fairing - do you see nozzles with it and that the fairing seems to be missing its top. What are those? Thrusters? Are those only for maneuvering or do they perhaps play a role in pulling the fairing off the bus?

So too many unknowns to say failure or actual planned separation.

 

[Oscar]

Moreover - what is this agency and who runs it

this is the report in the twitter link!

who let it out!

 

[aurelianpilled]

Moreover - what is this agency and who runs it

A 'human rights' wing of the Baloch National Movement (BNM) which is being operated by around three individuals, all of whom are based in Geneva, Switzerland.

BNM was founded in 1987 by members of the Baloch Students Organization (BSO) as a nationalist political organization.

 

[hasssanali8998]

which is being operated by around three individuals, all of whom are based in Geneva, Switzerland

and like mehrang , probably funded by mossad

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

this is weird!

left no impact!

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Hate to rain on the parade here but these kinds of "clouds" form almost everytime there's an SLV launch at dusk or dawn. It is the rocket exhaust in the upper atmosphere hitting the sun just right. Not saying it could not be something amazing. But likely it is just a BM launched at dawn and people are getting excited because some guy thought this somehow means hypersonic. Just do a Google image search for noctilucent launch clouds.

Any reason why it's only been noticed now for the very first time since 1989?

 

[Corax]

this is weird!

left no impact!

I don't think it was meant to leave an impact, otherwise it wouldn't land intact.

 

[Maarkhoor]

this is weird!

left no impact!

What is this?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I don't think it was meant to leave an impact, otherwise it wouldn't land intact.

yeah, i get it, you always know something!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

What is this?

no impact on the ground, as if it landed without disturbing anything nearby

 

[Corax]

no impact on the ground, as if it landed without disturbing anything nearby

Why is that you think? Why would it land on the ground without disturbing the ground or creating an impact crater?