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[muhammed45]

Destroyer? It's a corvette sized vessel

A translation issue actually. When translate Persian word Nav-Shekan, google translates it into destroyer, while the true translation could be ship-breaker.

We have our own classification, no shit given to English wordings

 

[ToddE]

They are different ships for different missions. Sure, they are potentially more armed and modern, but then I would imagine them having great difficulty navigating the challenging blue waters, or almost impossible to accompany and escort the motherships Makran, Kordestan, or the aircraft carrier Bagheri across the oceans, a mission the Mowj class has proven it can perform.
I believe the Mowj class doesn't exist as such, but each ship is a class in its own right, even if it uses more or less the same hull;
that is, each is a prototype where they installed or tested what the local industry could produce at the time or, failing that, what they were able to import at the time.
These ships have subsequently undergone modifications thanks to the technical and generational evolution of Iranian systems, but also thanks to or because of positive and negative experiences, including naval accidents.
With the reconstruction of the Sahand, I believe the limit of possible evolution with this hull has been reached, having understood that heavy weapons systems should not be placed too high.
Perhaps something could still be done with a ship similar to the latest rebuilt version of the Sahand, for example, a version dedicated primarily to anti-aircraft defense and only secondarily to anti-ship attack.
To achieve this, the ability to land a helicopter would have to be forgotten, thus freeing up that space for the new anti-aircraft defense configuration.
In any case, the most appropriate step for the Iranian Navy would be to summarize all the experience already gained and move on to a new project to which it could be applied, preferably on a new class of ships with larger displacement and dimensions.

Soleimanis offer asymmetric and littoral focused doctrine that Mowjs do not. For starters they are much light weight due to twin Aluminium hull design while having far more Surface-Surface or Surface-Air punch. They probably even have low RCS and are far more manuverable and faster, Mowjs are just based on Alvands. 7 Ships are enough for this class I believe.

Both IRIN, IRGCN combined have 32 surface vessels, a large fleet yet no air cover because IRIAF's weakness. Despite this, Mowjs have no VLS to take on aerial threats, but Soleimanis have it in such a in-built design way. As a matter of fact, Mowjs do not even have much space for VLS. Soleimanis Surface-Surface attack is just level above Mowjs too. Simulate 6 Mowjs vs 6 Soleimanis, who wins who sinks first ?

Blue water comes later, we need to first secure Persian Gulf and periphery of Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean. Like I said, upgraded Alvands+Mowjs together are now 10 in numbers. IRIN needs invincible littoral capability.

 

[sahureka2]

Soleimanis offer asymmetric and littoral focused doctrine that Mowjs do not. For starters they are much light weight due to twin Aluminium hull design while having far more Surface-Surface or Surface-Air punch. They probably even have low RCS and are far more manuverable and faster, Mowjs are just based on Alvands. 7 Ships are enough for this class I believe.

Both IRIN, IRGCN combined have 32 surface vessels, a large fleet yet no air cover because IRIAF's weakness. Despite this, Mowjs have no VLS to take on aerial threats, but Soleimanis have it in such a in-built design way. As a matter of fact, Mowjs do not even have much space for VLS. Soleimanis Surface-Surface attack is just level above Mowjs too. Simulate 6 Mowjs vs 6 Soleimanis, who wins who sinks first ?

Blue water comes later, we need to first secure Persian Gulf and periphery of Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean. Like I said, upgraded Alvands+Mowjs together are now 10 in numbers. IRIN needs invincible littoral capability.

If you stop in the Persian Gulf, fine, but Iran isn't solely interested in that.
The Iranian civilian commercial fleet doesn't sail solely in the Persian Gulf, and if Iran wants, for example, to exercise control and defend certain interests in the blue waters, or if it wants, for example, to escort certain maritime transports that could be targeted by others who have unilaterally imposed sanctions and intend to seize them in international waters, or if it intends to interfere with their navigation to or from countries with which Iran trades, in this case it needs ships that can sail those seas.
So, it's good, indeed excellent, to deploy powerful catamarans, but that doesn't mean we should abandon larger vessels; balance is needed, and to repeat, it's appropriate for a Makran or a Kordestan to sail with an escort, and large, powerful catamarans are not suited to navigating the waters where those two enormous ships can navigate, so something is needed that can follow them, and it has been demonstrated that the Sahand and Dena have done just that.
But even the SHAHID MAHDAVI 110-3 and the more advanced C-110-4 BAGHERI will need naval vessels capable of tracking and escorting them in the blue waters. These will be ideal seas for positioning both in peacetime (exercises or courtesy visits to friendly or allied countries), but even more so in the event of a risk of conflict, when it is appropriate to move away from the Persian Gulf, both to avoid being trapped inside and at the mercy of the enemy, and to try to preemptively bring the attack capabilities of those ships closer to the interests of the potential adversary.
Therefore, larger ships are needed, and it would be time to build something bigger than the Sahand. Without resorting to the currently fashionable gigantism, one could start with a unit with at least double the displacement of the Sahand itself.

 

[Flotilla]

Therefore, larger ships are needed, and it would be time to build something bigger than the Sahand. Without resorting to the currently fashionable gigantism, one could start with a unit with at least double the displacement of the Sahand itself.

Yes, to protect SLOCs larger vessels are required. The basis could be the excellent Type 054AP frigate. It is CODAD (just diésels) and it is equiped with AESA main search long range radar, VLS and data link. Turbine gas would be much better for peak power (laser guns and large ECM power emitting), but even with CODAD engines, Type 054AP are extremely reliable, easy to operate and maintain and long range enough to protect iranian sea lanes.
Today warships are large because very advanced propulsions (CODELAG, CODOE, COGAG, etc). They´re much quieter (less noise) much more energy efficient (less fuel/gas needed) and capable of extreme power peaks. And I agree those are not necessary right now for IRIN.
For going blue you need larger vessels. And Type 054AP would be ideal if not a larger version of Deylaman would be enough. VLS and Data Link it is essential in modern warfare.

 

[Shags101]

A catamaran having difficulties going into blue waters or reduce the speed 10 knots ?

How about that large catamaran they were supposed to build did they start on that project yet

 

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[sahureka2]

Today on a Russian forum, user "Rohirrim" posted an aerial view of the Sahand 74 in its new configuration,


along with a drawing and related data for an Iranian project for a frigate with a displacement similar to the Sahand itself.

It resembles the model photographed a few years ago. I was wondering if you had any further information on this project.

In any case, I hope that, with experience with the Sahand 74, they will modify the design. 16 anti-ship missile containers + missiles + the structures to house them, in that position, significantly increases the weight at the top, which could lead to stability problems during navigation in rough seas or storms.

 

[Shags101]

Today on a Russian forum, user "Rohirrim" posted an aerial view of the Sahand 74 in its new configuration,
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along with a drawing and related data for an Iranian project for a frigate with a displacement similar to the Sahand itself.
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It resembles the model photographed a few years ago. I was wondering if you had any further information on this project.
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In any case, I hope that, with experience with the Sahand 74, they will modify the design. 16 anti-ship missile containers + missiles + the structures to house them, in that position, significantly increases the weight at the top, which could lead to stability problems during navigation in rough seas or storms.

I’m not great with military technical side but wouldn’t putting a VLS where the helipad is make more sense especially since you can do most if not more with drones which I’m assuming would be more cost effective than maintaining an old helicopter that assuming they could have several or more drones launch from different directions to monitor movements from many sides etc

 

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[Shags101]

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Second photo I can see the torpedo but is that a truck carrying a finished uncrewed submarine I can’t tell what it is exactly to be fair could be nothing lol

 

[Mehdipersian]

Second photo I can see the torpedo but is that a truck carrying a finished uncrewed submarine I can’t tell what it is exactly to be fair could be nothing lol

This is a long-range underwater drone.

 

[Shags101]

This is a long-range underwater drone.

That’s what I thought they had a video of one a while back or something similar to it

 

[sahureka2]

Vertical launch of a "Nawab" air defense missile from a Pasdaran Fast Attack Boat, this time sailing at high speed, during IRGC-N exercises in the Strait of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf.