JF-17 PFX program

[MastanKhan]

Meanwhile PAC is boasting a new CAD/CAM facility:

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra - cad-cam-facility

pac.org.pk

I do not recall this on their website. Those who think PFX is merely an upgrade can go checkout the JF-17 MRO page on their website. They go into quite some detail on what MRO is being performed. And it is not the upgrade to Block 3.

In terms of capabilities, this CAD/CAM facility is step 0.1. I need to see an actual wind tunnel or a contract for access to a wind tunnel before I feel PAF is serious about indigenous design.

There is one more angle to it. We previously heard that India has captured an autoclave bound for Pakistan. Sometime after that we got official confirmation that GIDS is commercial manufacturing UAVs. Strangely enough, now we hear the Indians captured a CNC lathe machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is somehow related to PAF. It sounds absurd, but it seems like someone in China is telling India: “Take a good look, Pakistan now has this capability”.

Hi,

No---it is the sheer stupidity of the shipper as well as the Paf to load a critical equipment on a ship making a stop in an indian port---.

 

[Deino]

You know, to be honest, there could be a disturbing possibility in all these PAF announcements: copium for the internal audience. It's no secret that the armed forces, especially the Army but also the PAF to an extent, are under public pressure over authoritarian and corruption charges.

In all the years I could recall, this is the highest public animosity against the military leadership has gotten, ever. I mean, you can even see a sense of insecurity in the PAF's PR videos where in a span of a few minutes, they'll say, "visionary PAF leadership," "exemplary PAF leadership," etc.

Things could change once the current CAS retires. @JamD @Oscar

Im well aware of this and in fact for me this is the main if not sole reason for this all. Project-wise I think most likely it is a simple hoax, like you said „copium for the internal audience“ and with our over-enthusiasitic friend a spreader and supporter of this hoax was found.

But can you imagine what would have happened if a foreign spy would have claimed this first place? I. Sure certain youngsters and their senile grandpa would have called for jihad or a fatwa immediately!

 

[Quwa]

Im well aware of this and in fact for me this is the main if not sole reason for this all. Project-wise I think most likely it is a simple hoax, like you said „copium for the internal audience“ and with our over-enthusiasitic friend a spreader and supporter of this hoax was found.

But can you imagine what would have happened if a foreign spy would have claimed this first place? I. Sure certain youngsters and their senile grandpa would have called for jihad or a fatwa immediately!

Not only that, but even if the J-XX (-31/35) was coming, the timelines cannot be this so close to the J-10CE. If the PAF knew the J-31 could be available as soon as people believe, then it wouldn't have gotten the J-10CE.

 

[Bilal]

From what i have been able to find SkyDome is a integrated C-UAS Software by CETC rather than a system itself. But not sure about JN-614 that could be a Vehicle that uses the Sky dome software.

Yes, it does sound like a flexible C2 suite which can be extended with multiple sensors (types) and effectors.

 

[Deino]

Not only that, but even if the J-XX (-31/35) was coming, the timelines cannot be this so close to the J-10CE. If the PAF knew the J-31 could be available as soon as people believe, then it wouldn't have gotten the J-10CE.

Well my friend, I totally agree ... but some ones here are simply devoid of logic since it doesn't fit their worldview.

 

[PakAl]

PFX program might be the domestic production of J-31 under TOT, just as we labeled the TOT production of VT-4 as Al-Haider program.

It would be great for paf If they follow the Jf17 route by building a brand new single engine 5th generation fighter with collaboration of Saudi Arabia and Turkey and then buying either J31 or Kaan. One lightweight weight cost effective plane and the 2nd one a powerful air superiority plane.

 

[PakAl]

Just for everyone information.
@Deino is a Leading and well-known analyst of the Chinese Military.

Alot of respect to @Deino. For sharing his knowledge and latest information regarding Chinese military, I also like how he doesn't overhype the Chinese. He could easily say J35 will be better than F35 but doesn't because the plane is not even ready, we also haven't got a clue if any other version than navy is being built. The progress is slow aswell.

 

[PakAl]

Not only that, but even if the J-XX (-31/35) was coming, the timelines cannot be this so close to the J-10CE. If the PAF knew the J-31 could be available as soon as people believe, then it wouldn't have gotten the J-10CE.

Paf also waits till a platform is mature, especially if it comes from China which keeps on bringing upgraded versions after 5 odd years, their submarines, helicopters, J10s followed the same path. We must take in to account if paf needs J35s or Kaan at the moment, are Jf17 Block 3s, J10Cs, F16s not enough to counter Iaf? We certainly are in safe hands till 2035s when iaf will induct 5th generation. J10cs are more than match for iaf otherwise what was the point, we already had f16s and Jf17 Block 3s.

 

[Khanasifm]

Meanwhile PAC is boasting a new CAD/CAM facility:

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra - cad-cam-facility

pac.org.pk

I do not recall this on their website. Those who think PFX is merely an upgrade can go checkout the JF-17 MRO page on their website. They go into quite some detail on what MRO is being performed. And it is not the upgrade to Block 3.

In terms of capabilities, this CAD/CAM facility is step 0.1. I need to see an actual wind tunnel or a contract for access to a wind tunnel before I feel PAF is serious about indigenous design.

There is one more angle to it. We previously heard that India has captured an autoclave bound for Pakistan. Sometime after that we got official confirmation that GIDS is commercial manufacturing UAVs. Strangely enough, now we hear the Indians captured a CNC lathe machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is somehow related to PAF. It sounds absurd, but it seems like someone in China is telling India: “Take a good look, Pakistan now has this capability”.

Good trying to give a positive spin on shitty pak situation now Indian is ready to take any action. They want knowing pak has no stomach for it

Blocking water, shipping , occupying siachen , what’s next , Indian knows pak has no capacity no oil reserves no economy left

 

[Zarvan]

Paf also waits till a platform is mature, especially if it comes from China which keeps on bringing upgraded versions after 5 odd years, their submarines, helicopters, J10s followed the same path. We must take in to account if paf needs J35s or Kaan at the moment, are Jf17 Block 3s, J10Cs, F16s not enough to counter Iaf? We certainly are in safe hands till 2035s when iaf will induct 5th generation. J10cs are more than match for iaf otherwise what was the point, we already had f16s and Jf17 Block 3s.

We don't want to remain safe anymore. Like I said, 2019 changed everything, now we would get weapons and India will have to match them. J-10 C is for different role and J-31 will be different role. As for J-31 how we plan to wait for this platform to mature when China itself only plans to induct J-35 the Naval Version of it. We have to get it ourselves and then mature it also.

 

[kaku]

there are many variables to ttsl. You cannot give a blank range.

Indeed, that’s what they do in durability test. And the number is given by @Quwa , not by me.

 

[kaku]

We don't want to remain safe anymore. Like I said, 2019 changed everything, now we would get weapons and India will have to match them. J-10 C is for different role and J-31 will be different role. As for J-31 how we plan to wait for this platform to mature when China itself only plans to induct J-35 the Naval Version of it. We have to get it ourselves and then mature it also.

This is such a pathetic analysis, basing your analysis on fanboyism of forums and X, is recipe of disaster.

What step taken by IAF actually, that you think, India will have to match them? Have they planning something new, or CAS given any detail that you think is new?

Tejas Mk1A plan is of 2016, Tejas Mk2 of 2018, AMCA of 2020, CATS was first revealed in Aero India 2021. MRFA is from 2019-20, there is any evidence to back up your claims? Last time they did panic buying was of MiG-29, since then nothing, and I don’t think it will happen.

Please read “Doctrine of Indian Air Force,2023” before making such judgements.

 

[Zarvan]

This is such a pathetic analysis, basing your analysis on fanboyism of forums and X, is recipe of disaster.

What step taken by IAF actually, that you think, India will have to match them? Have they planning something new, or CAS given any detail that you think is new?

Tejas Mk1A plan is of 2016, Tejas Mk2 of 2018, AMCA of 2020, CATS was first revealed in Aero India 2021. MRFA is from 2019-20, there is any evidence to back up your claims? Last time they did panic buying was of MiG-29, since then nothing, and I don’t think it will happen.

Please read “Doctrine of Indian Air Force,2023” before making such judgements.

My analysis is not based on fanboyism. Infact, I know very well what we are capable of what we are not. Unlike many I don't get blinded by patriotism. But you don't live in Pakistan. 2019 moment has turned out to be a Eurkea moment for us. Even bringing J-10 C became a reality due to Army being involved in it. Army has realized how much they can achieve thorugh Air Force. So now we are making much bigger plans. J-31, KAAN and may be JF-17 PFX if it's a new plane which I think it's.

 

[kaku]

My analysis is not based on fanboyism. Infact, I know very well what we are capable of what we are not. Unlike many I don't get blinded by patriotism. But you don't live in Pakistan. 2019 moment has turned out to be a Eurkea moment for us. Even bringing J-10 C became a reality due to Army being involved in it. Army has realized how much they can achieve thorugh Air Force. So now we are making much bigger plans. J-31, KAAN and may be JF-17 PFX if it's a new plane which I think it's.

You indeed very well know what you are capable of, I am not even questioning that.

I am only questioning your Indian policy analysis. What you are suggesting have no evidence, whatsoever.

 

[kaku]

My analysis is not based on fanboyism. Infact, I know very well what we are capable of what we are not. Unlike many I don't get blinded by patriotism. But you don't live in Pakistan. 2019 moment has turned out to be a Eurkea moment for us. Even bringing J-10 C became a reality due to Army being involved in it. Army has realized how much they can achieve thorugh Air Force. So now we are making much bigger plans. J-31, KAAN and may be JF-17 PFX if it's a new plane which I think it's.

Furthur, it is actually looking other way around, the way J-10 CE was bought. I dont want to expand it furthur, otherwise it will create a controversy here. But those who understand it, will get it.