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I read two-thirds of your emotional speech and I have to admit, you win hands down.

All hail puttputt.
All hail puttputt.
All hail puttputt.

So, it's been decided then that as soon as I die (or 'you lot' kill me), Pakistan will rise at the hypersonic speed.

Once again please,
All hail puttputt.
Lol...your mentality centers around selfish pride rather than the ideas and concepts necessary to drive Pakistan forward.

BTW... we don't "hail" creation, but the Creator (SWT). That's the Master you should learn to follow my man, not the other ones ;)
 
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They must keep the secrecy.. we should also confuse indians.. like at this point we may have more than 50 block 3s with some from block 2s upgraded
This approach is correct. If all weapons were made public, the enemy would be forewarned. The military would pay a higher price in war. India needs to continuously publicize the weapons it possesses, and even its procurement intentions, to boost cohesion and national confidence. Pakistan does not need to do this; when the enemy cannot fully understand Pakistan's equipment, it creates a form of deterrence, which is beneficial for peace. For example, no one could have imagined before the May conflict that J-10C, JF-17, PL-15E, and SH-15 would be so powerful in the hands of the Pakistani military. The Air Force achieved a crushing victory, and the Army forced Indian frontline command posts to raise the white flag.
 
Nice try, I clearly said "nuclear weapons" -- NOT the civilian energy program. The scientific base for nuclear obviously predated the military program. Indeed, that's when the scientists who led the civilian program urged the then Pakistani government (around the late 1950s and early 1960s) to build the nuclear fuel-cycle at home to acclerate our nuclear weapons program. But the babus at the time, like you, said, "Why? If we need it, China will sell us."

With that "wise" decision, babus like you had Pakistan sit on its hands while the Indians did exactly what our scientists advised (i.e., use the open commercial environment to create the entire nuclear fuel-cycle). The Indians then carried out their cold tests, and from there, the US came hard on Pakistan to prevent us from securing our nuclear weapons. Now, thanks to babus like you, we had to start from 10 years behind where we originally were, and against the US-led sanctions regime.

But, alhamdulillah, by the Grace of Allah (SWT), babus like you couldn't get in the way (though your lot tried) and we were able to build the entire fuel cycle indigenously.

Do you know we developed this entire fuel cycle? Well, here's a hint: CHINA HAD LITTLE TO DO WITH IT.

It was because we had scientists, diplomats, bureaucrats, etc, all forging ties with middle-powers across the world to rapidly learn what they had and to reverse-engineer or develop from scratch in Pakistan. Yes, China was among the many, many who were able to get some technology from, but it was WE who put it all together and indigenously create our own original fuel cycle.

Today, we now have the capacity to design and build our own SMRs; basically revolutionize electricity delivery across every rural area in Pakistan and exponentially accelerate our nuclear warhead production if we should choose. Do you know who stops us from this by denying us access to enough uranium? The US and, surprise-surprise, China.

Instead, our entire current uranium supply channel is dictated upon us by the Chinese, which comes with the condition to buy their reactor technology (which is fine, to be fair, but doesn't quite line up with the optimal direction that works best for Pakistan, while also putting an artificial limiter on our warhead production).

BTW, do ask your benefactors about that time China squashed a bilateral Pakistan-Kazakhstan deal by pressuring them to lay off "their" market. Or about that time China did the same thing with a potential Pakistan-Russia deal.


Spoken like a true babu who hates the potential of his own country; I'm 100% sure you're only there loot and plunder with your benefactors.

We indigenously developed the entire God-damn nuclear fuel-cycle, we can do anything provided we impose discipline on how we manage resources, build a genuine environment for private sector growth in manufacturing, dedicate funding for organic R&D and building our scientific community. Can't exactly do that effectively if we're ignoring partnership opportunities with willing middle powers and shuttling our precious ForEx to fund Chinese imports.

1. GIDS is a marketing front of NESCOM. It lacks the ability to scale up production to the necessary levels because of babus like you helming the decision-making cadres.

2. KSEW can only construct from imported KoMs. It will only go indigenous once the private industry is able to source key inputs like steel, etc indigenously. It's a real shame we couldn't do it yet, had it not been for babus like you nationalizing our industry.

3. PAC? Babus like you ruined it from the potential it had (once being a French licensed Mirage rebuild and ATAR MRO site with people who could garner respect from Denel, TAI, etc) to the PowerPoint factory it is today.


Yes, and Turkiye has greater industrial grasp of its F-16s than we do our JF-17s. If the US and China cut Turkey and Pakistan off tomorrow, respectively, I am 100% sure that the Turks will have an easier time keeping their F-16s airworthy -- if not outright reverse engineer it -- than Pakistan will with JF-17.

And re: S-400... It's old talk now as the Turks move onto SIPER and Steel Dome. Of course, I'm sure you don't care, you're probably in the babu party lining up their Swiss accounts for Cheeni Dome.
My friend, do you have a source for what you said about China preventing Pakistan from obtaining uranium and China requiring Pakistan to purchase reactors? Is there any evidence of China pressuring Pakistan? Could you share some materials from Pakistan? If the sources are Western media, then forget it, because in their eyes, whatever China does is bad, and the deforestation in Brazil is attributed to China buying Brazilian soybeans.
 
Lol...your mentality centers around selfish pride rather than the ideas and concepts necessary to drive Pakistan forward.

BTW... we don't "hail" creation, but the Creator (SWT). That's the Master you should learn to follow my man, not the other ones ;)
This dude is an indian troll but the f@ujeet types eat up his over the top uber delusional pronouncements like holy gospel truth coming straight from Hazrat Field Mouse's holy mouth...
 
This dude is an indian troll but the f@ujeet types eat up his over the top uber delusional pronouncements like holy gospel truth coming straight from Hazrat Field Mouse's holy mouth...
he might make over the top claims but he is NOT indian lmao
 
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Goodness, I didn't even understand CDMA/TDMA and here comes OFDM 😅
I think I will stick with aerodynamics and let you handle the next gen TDL
LOL...... This reminds me of a well-known Chinese figure.

Xu Yongling. Test pilot in the PLAAF Test Pilot Brigade. Air Force Senior Colonel.

He was a decorated test pilot in China, an instructor at the Chinese Test Pilot Academy, and a top test flight expert...
He participated in the test flights of the J-8/J-10 series fighter jets and was deeply involved in the compilation of the pilot manuals for these aircraft.
He is also the only pilot in China who, after experiencing multiple emergency parachute jumps due to flight accidents, continued to work as a test pilot. (He suffered serious injuries in one of these incidents.)
In short, he is a highly accomplished pilot.

But......

After his retirement, he began working in the media. He participated in many military commentary programs and also produced some media programs himself.
However, when he commented on military/international political content outside of aviation, he often made many elementary mistakes. This led to him being widely criticized and controversial on Chinese social media...

A lesson I've learned:
The more specialized a person is, the more blind spots they have in their knowledge......
 
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Markets toys deveoped by nescom etc, however, as you can see, the only real competitive product on offer is the fatah series, the rest is fluff that some uncle hopes we can flog off in hopes of raising capital. Half of gids offerings are theoretical and the others have measly production rates, heck, the only thing gids consistently exports are dumb bombs, even those now the arabs are turning to india forhttps://www.gids.com.pk/

KSEW has no capacity to research, or develop, NRDI is a good organisation, but has no budget and thus, it hand needs to be held, hence why programs like Jinnah class just ended up being derivatives of something asfat designed. KSEW just builds kits.


nothing, pac is a shitshow, its actually a really embarrassing excuse of an organisation and its such a shame seeing how far it fell

You guys are not even talking about the worst of them all https://www.pof.gov.pk/ which has added nothing of value or modern in terms of firearms or protection since several decades. They just try to display golden MP5's in International Expo's hoping that some Arab sheikh will get attracted to buy them. Heck even their website is a bust and if you click the link to the "Products" you get PHP error. I mean SERIOUSLY, they can't even hire proper web application developers to fix and maintain their official websites.

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nothing, pac is a shitshow, its actually a really embarrassing excuse of an organisation and its such a shame seeing how far it fell

What about the JF-17? Is PAC doing anything on their end for further blocks or integrating weapons or is everything being done by the Chinese?
 
And, when exactly do you think Pakistan started it's nuclear program?

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"Dependent"? On what? On China for supplying weapons to Pakistan?

Are you seriously expecting Pakistan to produce heavy military hardware on its own, or co-produce with a tiny budget everything that China produces?

Is that even feasible for Pakistan? The country doesn't even have enough money to build roads and rail to date where whole of Pakistan is interconnected.


And, is that not happening currently within the limits that Pakistan faces? Are you under the impression that Pakistan does not want to produce anything at home but only wants to import military hardware from abroad?

What do these guys do?



How do you think Pakistan became a nuclear power in the first place?


Turkiye is the second largest military in NATO, yet it's flying upgraded F-16s still. On the other hand, Turkiye's tiny NATO members are flying fifth generation fighters, some of them even operate aircraft carriers.

Turkiye can't even switch on S-400 without American greenlight if I am not mistaken. They tried to get more goodies from Russia but CATSA dictated otherwise.


Which Chinese dictation towards Pakistan are you talking about exactly? I've not heard or seen anything as such to date.


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Reminder that iskandar Ali mirza in one of the shockingly competent things that he did do was try to start a nuclear weapons program but it was Ayub who ended it and focused on civilian program entirely. Not until the mid 60s was the civilian program even given much focus. That is to say with competent decisions Pakistani nuclear program could’ve progressed much faster
 
You guys are not even talking about the worst of them all https://www.pof.gov.pk/ which has added nothing of value or modern in terms of firearms or protection since several decades. They just try to display golden MP5's in International Expo's hoping that some Arab sheikh will get attracted to buy them. Heck even their website is a bust and if you click the link to the "Products" you get PHP error. I mean SERIOUSLY, they can't even hire proper web application developers to fix and maintain their official websites.

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But they do sell plenty of small arms to Pakistani civilians and export market.
We bought our licenced gun from POF and it's quite good and reasonably priced.
 
This approach is correct. If all weapons were made public, the enemy would be forewarned. The military would pay a higher price in war. India needs to continuously publicize the weapons it possesses, and even its procurement intentions, to boost cohesion and national confidence. Pakistan does not need to do this; when the enemy cannot fully understand Pakistan's equipment, it creates a form of deterrence, which is beneficial for peace. For example, no one could have imagined before the May conflict that J-10C, JF-17, PL-15E, and SH-15 would be so powerful in the hands of the Pakistani military. The Air Force achieved a crushing victory, and the Army forced Indian frontline command posts to raise the white flag.
That is the way to go.
 
Lol...your mentality centers around selfish pride rather than the ideas and concepts necessary to drive Pakistan forward.

BTW... we don't "hail" creation, but the Creator (SWT). That's the Master you should learn to follow my man, not the other ones ;)
Once again you win this conversation hands down.

All hail puttputt.
 
Reminder that iskandar Ali mirza in one of the shockingly competent things that he did do was try to start a nuclear weapons program but it was Ayub who ended it and focused on civilian program entirely. Not until the mid 60s was the civilian program even given much focus. That is to say with competent decisions Pakistani nuclear program could’ve progressed much faster
With peanuts or grass?
 
But they do sell plenty of small arms to Pakistani civilians and export market.
We bought our licenced gun from POF and it's quite good and reasonably priced.

Only because MP5s are still popular in the civilian market, POF is good at and ONLY good at making cold war German licensed guns and in 2025 no military is soy facing over those.
 

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