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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
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More importantly, unless there is Morsi level quick squashing -- the timeframe of which is gone for the establishment - you will create either a PPP level Bhutto or you will create a Mujib ur Rahman.

This is the real tragedy blindspotting many of us currently. The direction in which events are moving is an "eventual loss" for Pakistan.

This makes me question the loyalty and leadership of each and every seat of power in the country.

Our "saviors" are engaged in an egoistic selfish battle for power at the price of the well-being and flourishing of the country. It's not a question of who triumphs in the end but whosoever does, at what cost?
 
The myth of Imran Khan only survives because people never examine his actual record or qualifications. Strip away the slogans and the manufactured hero image, and what remains is a man who was never intellectually equipped to lead a complex nuclear state.

For over 20 years, he refused to build a team, avoided specialists, and surrounded himself with sycophants. Whenever an actual expert joined PTI, they left within months. His economic team collapsed because he did not understand the policies they were proposing. His own finance minister said repeatedly that Imran had no grasp of economics.

His governance proves the point even more. Under his rule, circular debt doubled, tax reforms died, exports stagnated again after the temporary global spike, and Pakistan returned to the IMF because he froze fuel prices for political optics. He attacked every institution that did not praise him, from the judiciary to the ECP. No serious leader behaves like that.

Most importantly, the entire “IK is independent and visionary” narrative collapses when you remember how he came into power. He was manufactured, supported, protected and presented as a messiah by the same system his fans now blame. The project collapsed not because of conspiracy but because the product was weak.

The truth is simple. Some elements of the establishment miscalculated. They underestimated the damage an unprepared, impulsive, poorly informed leader could cause. Pakistan paid the price in political polarization, economic instability, and international isolation.

People glorify him because they confuse confidence with competence, speeches with strategy, and celebrity with leadership. Once you remove the emotional attachment, his shortcomings become obvious.

Same plot but new actors and cinematic effects.

PTI (and their supporters) stand today where PPPP stood in late 70's and PMLN stood in early 90's.

PA stands today where it stood in late 50's.

The two major power centers really haven't come far even after all these years.

I mean there is still some material left to be added to what you have already mentioned about PTI but what difference does it make when the same applies to all the political parties and dictators before?

What is really troubling to witness still is that the population hasn't come far either. I mean, look at us, this thread is on fire since last few days and all there is to read is disagreement. If the ordinary citizens can't put aside their differences to work out a solution, how can it be expected from a "circle" where power (and a lot more) is at stake?
 
I think its v faulty logic to think establishment can keep a few subjects to itself like foreign policy and interior ministry and the rest the civilians can run. The right hand must know what the left hand is doing. There has to be a single entity in charge and in the rest of the world and history also testifies that entity should be civilians.

I think Mr Khaqan Abbasi and Mr Khokhar have good intentions for bringing people together to discuss and resolve issues but there is no use trying to find some third way or exotic arrangement.

You will have to cut the establishment down to size and permanently banish them from governance and the economy. If that is not possible then the mess you see today is what Pakistan will be 78 years from now as well.

Do you really believe UK and Usa establishment just sit back and allow civilians to make all the decisions. They control the national policy. Those who oppose this setup are automatically sidelined since their system is so strong it will not allow those who oppose it to rise, their media is also powerful tool.
 
Do you really believe UK and Usa establishment just sit back and allow civilians to make all the decisions. They control the national policy. Those who oppose this setup are automatically sidelined since their system is so strong it will not allow those who oppose it to rise, their media is also powerful tool.
Their embassies in Pakistan generate about one and a half billion dollars a year from visa rejection fees, which is enough money for them to run their covert operations in Pakistan. Pakistan's 99% establishment is in their pockets
 
Without Karachi province Zardari ain't going no where and Munira Mistry and his merry band of duffer generals will never make a Karachi province.
Karachi plus Hyderabad.
 
Mere Bhai! And this is addressed not only to you but to all other Imran supporters here: How many times I have said that Imran is a toxic personalitily like Nawaz and Altaf? I generally don't condemn people like that. I have been here for along time and only when I come to such drastic conclusions then I say such drastic things.
I ABSOLUTELY don't see any redeeming qualities from the likes of Imran, Nawaz and Altaf Hussein. And I have been consistent on my views.
What about Bhutto and Zardari? One of them broke Pakistan just to satisfy his hunger for power, the other one always leaves the coffers dry due to his unending thirst of money.
 
Even a smart person like you give too much credit to an intellectual midget like Imran Khan.
Everything about Imran boils down to a very STUPID guy propped up by some elements of the Establishment of Pakistan and that project failed. I don't know why you can't see that Imran and Benazir Bhutto were compatriots in Oxford University: She rose to become a leader of the Oxford Student Union while Immy the Dimmy got to Oxford on some 'sports quota' and didn't distinguish in anything.
A little reading on the 'history' of the Messiah Khan might help the fanbois, if there ears even open??
Sorry, there's no comparison of benazir and Imran Khan. Imran is a much bigger leader than her.

I don't count Oxford university qualifications of both as a measure of their competencies. If you have endless money, you afford multiple tutors at home to prepare your children for big unis, and then you can finance the whole program as well. Imran in fact at least received the offer based on his sports skills, not the money that he had.

Now if you call me a cultist to point the facts, you can also be called the invisible right one of benazir or Bhutto. So don't start that repeat telecast.
 
Their embassies in Pakistan generate about one and a half billion dollars a year from visa rejection fees, which is enough money for them to run their covert operations in Pakistan. Pakistan's 99% establishment is in their pockets

So the West wants IK to stay behind the bars? 🤔
 
Thank you for your service Sir. Don’t you get tired of repeating of same shit everyday you ungrateful smelly PTI c***.
@Meengla lo bhaee uncle aap Ka supporter aagaya, with new language skills.

And then they talk about PTIans being cultists.

@Oscar sir aisay logon ko shuru main hi bata dia jaey ke it's a forum where civility comes first, not his abbay ka ghar.
 
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Sorry, there's no comparison of benazir and Imran Khan. Imran is a much bigger leader than her.

I don't count Oxford university qualifications of both as a measure of their competencies. If you have endless money, you afford multiple tutors at home to prepare your children for big unis, and then you can finance the whole program as well. Imran in fact at least received the offer based on his sports skills, not the money that he had.

Now if you call me a cultist to point the facts, you can also be called the invisible right one of benazir or Bhutto. So don't start that repeat telecast.

Qaum ko aql i kul nadaan dost se siyane dushman azeez hai. It's called civilisational wisdom. Jo pattna ha Patt lo
 
Why are you complaining bi***?
You support PTI and you want respect? Cultist is very civilised word, I’d call you tatti eater raand.
Beta aap ke ghar walon ka naam aur kaam nahi poocha.. and you are on my ignore list from now on.. so unless you make another account, I won't be able to see your msgs. 😂
 
Bhai Teri batein mujhay aaj tak samajh nahi aaein. Tu apni posts ke saath tafseer bhi likha Kar 😂

Tafsir apni apni. Itni azadi to mil hi jaegi kabhi na kabhi. Time nahi to Cash GK ka AI Agent utha lo. Ajkal to inquilaab bhi digital hogaya ha
 
Qaum ko aql i kul nadaan dost se siyane dushman azeez hai. It's called civilisational wisdom. Jo pattna ha Patt lo
That's what the parliament is for.. and courts keep an eye on the parliament.. and then awam assesses the performance of the parliament every 5 years. Parliamentary system main aql e kul koi ho hi nahi sakta. Baqi aap ki marzi jis KO jo chahay samjhain, sanu ki!
 
Beta aap ke ghar walon ka naam aur kaam nahi poocha.. and you are on my ignore list from now on.. so unless you make another account, I won't be able to see your msgs. 😂

Seriously?
You’re not that important.
 
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